I like Mr. Ecko (Echo). He's a very likeable character. I also can't wait for the old couple to reunite.

Next week's episode looks a lot scarier than any other one we've seen, with bodies being yanked away.

Even though they made her character a little more sympathetic, I'm still glad she bit it. With the mood swings and poutiness, she was still annoying.

I personally don't think that Sahannon is dead. I think they left it open to interpretation somewhat by having the other lady also disappear. It could be that "Cindy" is dead, and they will somehow get Shannon back to Jack, and he will pull a MacGuyver on her and save her with the innerds of a ballpoint pen or seat cushion.

I hated Shannon and her character so I'm tickled pink.

Wasn't a big fan of the first 40 minutes of last night but the ending made the whole thing for me. Very well done.

edit, as far as not being dead it makes sense since the whole show was her stupid backstory.

Her backstory last night made her a lot more sympathetic, which was obviously their aim. It was weird to see her as sweet, semi-spoiled teenager when we were used to Vindictive Mega-Bitch.

Plus she was hot.

I certainly would've chosen her to be killed if it had to be someone. :)

she looks smelly. can you imagine the stentch in that tent they set up.

Is Walt now one of The Others? Did he lead Shannon to her death last night?

Walt has taken a decidedly creepy turn. He used to be so nice.

Oh and Michael got the line in last night. "They took my son!"

The episode and the preview for next week gave me the impression that the tailies had several children with them when they crashed and all were taken by and incorporated into the others.

DOLA, ABC launched an official Lost podcast this week. You can get it at the abc website or automatically via subscription in itunes. The first one featured interviews with the actors who play Jin and Sawyer mainly about filming on the raft at the end of season 1 and then a Q&A session with the producers.

Its weird to hear Daniel Dae Kim (Jin) talk because he has no accent at all. In fact I remember reading before that he actually didn't speak Korean before the show started and had to be tutored by the actress who plays Sun.

I think it showed that she wasn't always the mega-bitch we've seen... it was probably a personality change that resulted from her step-mom's treatment of her after he dad died. I'm glad she was the one they killed off because I really don't think anyone else is worth killing off at this point.

As far as the female leads on the show, it's nice to see that they've sort of lined up Rose to replace her as a "full-time" character...

I really do think Anna is the one that killed Shannon...

There's a nice plot of land beside her brother.

I think he's in possession of the others, but I took it that he was trying to warn shannon. Wasn't he telling her to be quiet? Instead she ran off yelling and screaming which scared the other group and (likely) caused her to get shot.

Anna shooting Shannon re-enforces my earlier theory that the tail'ies actually killed each other out of fear of the Others as opposed to the Others directly killing them. They mentioned the one named casualty as being "taken" but we saw him before with a spear in his gut.

but she yell Walt like 5 times. you would think Michael will here shannon say it.

True, but wasn't it pouring rain at the time when she was yelling? It probably sounded muffled to the Tail section people and Walt etc through all that noise the rain was creating in the jungle.

nice episode.

yeah, I don't think she's gone, and I don't think it was Rodriguez anyway. Rousseau, perhaps? that whole scene looked like a big setup for a twist (not that there's anything wrong with that).

anyone here the speculation about Libby being involved in Cindy's disappearance? my wife said something about a cave with a shadow in it, but I missed that. unless she's talking about the camera watching Sayid and Shannon right at the end.

one of my big gripes with the show is the number of times someone is 10 feet away from someone else in the woods, and no one can hear them yelling.

But yet they hear the whispers?

exactly!

Here is something to ponder, and someone correct me if I am wrong, I will have to watch when I get home but the audience never sees Shannon/Sayid together with Tailies/Rafties. The shots are presented together in such a way that our minds fill in the the blanks, and we presume that the events are occuring together. Is it possible that someone else shot Shannon, and either Sayid is looking at the killer, or Ana-Lucia is pointing her gun at the killer? But that the scenes are put together to make the audience think that Ana Lucia shot Shannon and they are meeting up at that moment?

I am almost leaning towards the fact that someone else shot Shannon, maybe Danielle from a distance. All we saw was Shannon run off into the jungle, wouldn't Mike/Jin recognized her as she ran up on that group? Why would Michael and Jin be so silent at that moment when Ana is pointing the gun at someone?

I imagine the next episode will start with seeing the scene from the tail'ies perspective. Anna doesn't really trust or care about Michael/Jin and she's very jumpy/aggressive. I don't think there is any possible way they could have controlled her in that situation even if they had recognized Shannon quick enough to try to do something. It would have been too chaotic.

I'm hoping next week's episode will tell the story of the Tailies all the way up until the shooting, so...

A) We can see it from Ana's point of view to see why she (maybe) shot when she did. I'm guessing it's because they were running scared and no one had a chance to figure out who she was shooting at.

B) We can see the exact same event in 2 different episodes and re-piss off everybody who hated it the first time they did that this season. :D

EDIT: Or, um, what the post right above this one said (it wasn't there when I started typing, I swear).

If she didn't really shoot Shannon then that's just stupid.

Yes, the first 5 minutes or so will be a recap from the Tailies point of view. Then someone will probably ask them to be more specific than "we were attacked", and they recap what happened from day 1 to them.

Maybe at some point there will be a reward challenge between the Fronties and Tailies. :D

Why would it be stupid? If it was Danielle, who is still out there with a gun, who thought Shannon was sick, and shot her, why would that be dumb? And where the hell did Desmond go? He is still "out and about town" as well.

I just think it's far more interesting this way and is the way it was presented. Starting will all this hocus/pocus crap seems dumb. They story is good right now and the whole wow of last night is that it was her. Anything else ruins that.

are we really done with shannon? i cant imagine that whole storyline being closed. they opened more doors than closed, as opposed to boone, who had nothing left to do.

but shannon still has to have it out with jack, doesnt she? it would be kind of lame to set that whole thing with her father up, and then kick her off the show.

Yeah, I don't think she is dead either. Cindy is the one the voice over noted was gone forever. And as Jamesumd put earlier, they will get Shannon back to Jack " and he will pull a MacGuyver on her and save her with the innerds of a ballpoint pen or seat cushion."

I hate that storyline. Dump her off a cliff and let's move on.

It's much cooler if Shannon is out.

Sayid will be like "Waaaaaa"

Jack will be like "Awwww"

Kate will be like *shrug*

Hurley will be like "told ya dude"

Michael will be like "Walt!"

Walt will be like "ajh;aojo;aejr"

Sawyer will be like "Grrrrr!"

Jin will be like "No english."

Locke will be like "Somebody push the button!"

JJ Abrams will be like "Heh, try and find another gig this good sweetheart."

Hobbit will be like "meh, she wanted my stash."

Dog will be like "Wof!"

You forgot to add two lines in there:

Ecko says "Boom goes the dynamite"

The Others say "Your base belongs to us"

LOL!

Excellent point. I hadn't thought about it, but I bet you are right.

I think Shannon is done. She may linger for a few more episodes, but word was out that one of the regulars was unhappy with their contracts and she has been quoted as saying it is tough for a young actress to be away from Hollywood (re: movie opportunities).

With the tailies potentially adding more main characters, she is expendable. The blonde psychologist has been in some movies and TV series, so she may end up with a larger role than we are expecting. Ana-Lucia, Mr. Echo (who I'm guessing we are all missing something with his name), and now Rose and Bernard could all emerge as main characters.

haha, i just laughed when i remembered "echo" represents the letter E.

Mr. E.

Mystery.

Funny one, writers (even though its Mr. Eko, i believe, the point still stands).

Whenever they showed Mike onscreen last night I yelled out "WAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!" much to the chagrin of my wife.

Did anyone else notice in the Hospital scene that (1) Jack was rushing by as the other surgeon was talking and (2) Rose was sitting in the hallway reading a magazine?

When he said "They took my son!" I actually chuckled.

Shannon not dead.


when Boone died, the next day he was doing interviews on mourning talk shows, etra, entertainment tonight about him being off the show.


if we dont see any interview with shannon today, we can assume she is stil on the show alive.

#1 nope, although I heard about it. #2 nope, and I didn't hear about it. The Jack thing I can understand, but why would Rose be there?

On a different note, I think flere needs to come into this thread to show the relationships of everyone on the island both before and after the crash.

But maybe Shannon dies in two weeks instead of last night. Then we could see an interview the next day.

That's what I am guessing. She'll have a dramatic few weeks, but I think she is as good as dead and the actress that plays her has probably shot her last scenes (other than an occasional flashback in the future).

I think Shannon will be dead (maybe she'll last a few more episodes). In the official podcast they talked about wanting to occasionally kill regulars to both 1) remind the audience how dangerous the environment is and 2) to allow them to keep the story fresh by rotating in new characters. I take that to mean Shannon is out and they'll move one or more of the tailies into the regular group of recuring storylines.

Doesn't anyone else find it interesting that it took over a season to tell the fronties' story, but we're getting the tailies' story in one episode?

FWIW, Maggie Grace no longer appears as a cast member for future episodes of Lost on IMDB.com

Forget Post #621, I just watched it again, it shows Ana's (Ana Lucia or AnaL) sidearm in front of the camera as it looks on an angry/upset Sayid holding shannon. AnaL did shoot shannon.

I think the next episode will then start off right where this one left off, but I think Sayid may go crazy on AnaL and Ecko will intervene, and there will be a minor scuffle, and Michael will yell "WALT!" for no reason repeatedly. Okay maybe not the Walt comment, but Michael will most likely intervene on the scuffle and demand to know the details of what happened to the tail end people, and thus the flashback to the tail enders begins.
And there is no way that is Rose in the Hospital. Yes, it is a black woman sitting there reading, but its not her.

still doesn't mean AL shot her.

I understand it is quite annoying, but we have to remember its been like 4 days worth of stuff since they even left the island. I'd think if my son was taken, I'd still be bitching/looking for him after 4 days.

It's not Mr. Echo, it's Mistereko.... I think.

At least that's what my CC said when I saw the episode when he first came in and introduced himself.

Those things are not 100% correct. Couldn't it mean Mister Eko too, which is the same thing as Mr. Echo? Phonetically the same thing. I'm sure that is not his real name anyway. We'll find out soon enough.

If we're squabbling about "Mister Echo" versus "Mistereko" ... Ana referend to him as "Echo" in this episode one time.

why have a backstory of Shannon crossing with Jack, if there plan was to kill off shannon.

it makes no sense, if there not going to continue with it.

There's been numerous instances of people appearing in other people's flashbacks throughout the show. So far there's been no follow up to any of them. It just sorta suggests that they're all related somehow.

Edit - except for possibly Sawyer telling Jack about his dad.

IMDB says it's Mr. Eko...

Did anyone else also notice that Sayid never retrieved his gun when he set it down in the tent?

The elderly lady who lives next door to me said its Mysterioko.

My cats name is mittens.

supernintendo chalmers?

You bent my wookie!

you choo choo choose me?

That's my swingset, and that's my sandbox. I'm not allowed to go in the deep end. And this is where I met the leprechaun. He tells me to burn things.

Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and then the baby looked at me.

what going to happen is Jack wil have a decision to make. to save Sawyer or Shannon from dying.

that what he had to do between Shannon Dad and the Girl (finance).

so again jack wil have a decision who to save.

Good call...

Agreed, great theory!

but is that really relevant, though, as the tent was the night before?

just watched some of the key scenes again with the wife. you hear the shot, see Shannon stumbling back to Sayid, then see Ana with the gun using her angry-sad face, and THEN you see Mike and Jin coming up the path. so they wouldn't have been there when Shannon ran up to the group, or when Ana pointed the gun.

someone on the Lost site (those dorks make us look almost cool) said that it wasn't raining on the tail group, but that's not correct. it definitely was raining. they've also got this whole right-handed, left-handed killer thing which doesn't work either.

That would be pretty sweet.

nice idea, that would only work, IMO, if he decided to save Shannon (ying and yang) and I don't think they would kill Sawyer.

plus, they've already made him choose once - between working on Boone and helping Claire.

speaking of Boone, was it just me, or did he look just like Rob Lowe in the flashbacks last night? was he filming a biopic somewhere? (actually, he's filming something right now in Peterborough, NH).

Almost cool? :confused:

almost!

So why not then give him the trifecta of dead family members on his watch? :)

I really hate that AL chick. She is a horrible addition to the show, IMO.

Agreed. She's an incredibly annoying one-note character. I am hoping that after she kills Shannon she'll drop the attitude. I am also hoping that her character will be given more depth and we'll be at least somewhat sympathetic to her after we see what happened to the tailies in the next ep.

Boone is a pretty, pretty man. But if you want to watch him at his prettiest, see him in Rules of Attraction.

I assume this is the case...except that they already did this same thing with Sawyer. heck, they even had him shoot the damn marshall.

not really all that confident that Michelle Rodriguez could pull off additional depth anyway.

They did. Anna Lucia wasn't nearly this annoying in her minor appearance in the first season in one of Jack's flashbacks. She was fine. A bit sassy and with some attitude, but nothing like we've seen thus far.

I was going to say the same thing as Draft Dodger. Michelle Rodriguez really has nothing beyond the whole "I'm an angry Latina woman". It works for her and she occassionally looks hot doing it, but it wears thin. I was tired of it by the end of The Fast and the Furious, and she was all I disliked about SWAT. The only emotion she has is that half-smirk thing she does.

That being said, anyone notice him calling her DeSoto the other day. Her last name is Cortez. Sawyer is by far my favorite character on the show.

And yeah, was thinking of the "will Jack save Shannon or Sawyer?" I say he'd save Sawyer, if only because Kate would make him. Jack might as well finish off the family. But maybe this will lead to the split that's been rumored. Sayid will split from Jack and Locke will follow Sayid, Charlie will stay with Jack, Claire will be in the middle... it's all leading to something.

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Originally Posted by jamesUMD Did anyone else also notice that Sayid never retrieved his gun when he set it down in the tent?

I think it has to have some relevance. There is not too much in this show that occurs in a scene by happenstance. I absolutely think there was a reason that they made a point of him stating, "I don't need this on me all the time" or whatever similar phrase he said.

We'll see but I bet 2-3 episodes from now we'll be like, "That's right he left the gun."

All you disliked? You really should watch it again. There's plenty to dislike about that movie. ;)

However, count me in as one of the ones who has been irritated by her so far in Lost.

SWAT is my guilty pleasure movie... not sure why, I have to watch it at least once a month. The thing is, it could have been such a better movie if it was rated R.

Ok, so people are now looking at the wound Shannon had and examining it very closely. There are screen caps everywhere on the internet and fanatics are now saying that it is too big of a wound when looked at closely to resemble a GSW. It looks like a stab wound. So maybe she was stabbed and AL took a shot at whomever was stabbing her?

Also, I think JB mentioned something about Mr. Ecko being a native on the island. Is it possible, that yes, he wasn't on that plane at all, but he was in a plane crash. Remember the plane that crashed that Boone and Locke found? Wasn't it some Nigerian drug smuggling plane?

Good call. He seemed to be the "tracker" of the group and had the most experience with The Others. I wouldn't be surprised if this is so.

Guys, the character is dead. This was not a planned plot device, but Maggie Grace wanted off the show, so they worked it in. This has been known for months (the Maggie Grace part).

I wasn't debating that she is dead, but the fact of how she died.(Stab or GSW)

More fun with the Hanso Foundation webpage

go here

enter Copenhagen in the box.

It's not like it was a real wound. Debating as to what the wound looks like is sort of silly (imo).

It doesn't appear to matter what you enter in the box. You will get the same results by entering "shithead".

Really because I only see the copy of the fax if I type Copenhagen in the box.

file this under "career moves people will severely regret." I like to call it a "David Caruso."

Except for some reason he's been "rewarded" for leaving Blue... and I don't think comparing the girl who played Shannon to Caruso is fair, at least she can act a bit.

Oh, i think the Caruso move was still a terrible ones. He had some lean years in there when he expected to be a supestar.

This girl has even less upside, IMHO. I wouldn't be surprised if I never see her again in a movie or TV show i watch. She'll probably not get a lot of gigs she auditions for, then end up playing a character on a daytime soap opera for 10 years.

Yeah, I'm just saying at least she can act... compared to Caruso who is possibily the worst actor I've ever seen.

“From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible.”

- Alvar Hanso, Address to the U.N. Security Council, 196

I got that when I enter ABC into that Hanso page.

Hmm I found something interesting... I took the 4th 8th 15th 16th 23rd 42nd Letters of the address to the UN and got the letters. MDURSI

I was tired making words with them and found on interesting one. murids

It might have been luck but it kinda of fits with the show.

I'm not getting a fax. I'm seeing the same thing that Noop has posted, regardless of what I enter in the box.

Shannon had a decent rack, so now somebody has to step up and be The Rack. I think it could be the Australian chick, she should have some extra rack to feed that baby.

Finally watched last week's episode and now I can read this thread. This post has me rolling.