Nice move Lathum. It almost backfired because I almost went with the idea of switching votes. But it drew out some nice info.

Hmm...Machiavellian. Maybe Lathum's the world's greatest villager, too.

I had a plan the whole time.

And sorry for pushing your buttons but I had to make it seem I was 100% against you guys

nice! good to see us get another one of those bastards! *happy dance* ok off to reset my phone once this post freezes it. hooray!

I think that Saldana got duped, so it's pretty clear where our votes should be going tomorrow I think.

Great plan, you bastard. You worked me like a violin. Well done.

I just wish you guys coulda got us without all the fucking cheating.

Do you guys trust me now?

huh?

Lathum certainly has made it easier for me to finish up my list, but as you can see, Hoops, I wasn't talking out of my ass and tomorrow I'll feel very certain about everything.

Nice job, Lathum.

1. I'm very glad I did not get traction on you yesterday. Still not sure why the wolves didn't put votes there, but I don't care
2. Upon further review, I don't want the question to be answered and out there for the wolves so I'll wait until after the game

Does the Pope like boys?

Heck yeah.

umm....

This game is over.

I think it is over at this point so go ahead.

Assuming it is, it is a lesson that wolves have the best voting records.

Wow, not even going to try to keep snowing us? All right by me I guess.

It should be noted that per the rules EF really did not tell us what is role was. The same can not be said for you guys.

OK, so what the hell was Lathum's role? It sounded like such a load of crap.

I'm also curious what Autumn was able to do to get info.

We had to be talked out of quitting two days ago.

Hoops, I was just the non-evil version of EagleFan's role.

Lathum, were you teh Risk Taker? And if so why didn't I see any votes on you?

Wolves, why didn't you take out me or Chief last night and hope you got the double?

You guys felt like we were able to talk about roles far too freely?

I won't be answering another question in this game.

It was a fun game (especially since this is the longest I believe I have lasted as a wolf) but I don't think its a good idea to do "hidden" roles with no reveal again - too much gray area with what can and cannot be said.

I agree with this, under the rules I allowed too much and when I tried to stop the village from keeping on the whole roles thing, they kept pushing it and I really couldn't say anything or risked the giving the wolves away.

I won't be doing another game with this mechanic. In theory I still like it, but too much grey area like you said and very few players played the way I was hoping everyone would.

yes, I was the risk taker

Okay, sorry.

I tend to agree. There was too much gray area. hoops and I weren't sure at all how much we could say.

And you took a risk on the day you voted PB? That was what I was reading from you, but no votes showed up against you.

So you guys were lovers then?

I talked with someone via AIM after I had died about that. My comment was that I understood why you implemented the rules (to try to prevent a mass reveal type scenerio), but my guess was after the game you'd likely admit that it didn't work as well as you had hoped.

What is the "Risk Taker" role? And I don't recall the details on EF's role - Autumn/Danny, can one of you guys post your role?

The wolves certainly dida remarkable job of hiding thier voting record. Going by that I would have strung up a whole lot of villagers. Did you guys basically offer up Telle on that day to get the brutal kill and great voting reocrds?

That's the technical WW role mimicked, although, technically, we were Leader and Follower. hoops was the Leader, if he went, so did I. Didn't work the other way. If I went, he still lived.

We were surprised you guys didn't take one of us out last night.

You are The Information Collector- You are great at collecting information! Each night you will have a talk with the therapist who will randomly reveal an unlisted role without realizing it. You will not learn who has that role.

Yes, but with a twist. If I died, Chief died. If he died, I lived.

The Risk-Taker- You love the thrill of the risk/reward of a decision. At one point in the game as night action you may submit the order to “take a risk”. This will result in a random number of votes being added to your total the following day. The number of votes added to your total will be a random number from 1-5. You will be given the number of votes added in a PM. If you survive that lynch, you will gain the ability to survive one night kill or lynch later in the game

Hell they offered me up the day before that.. every single wolf was on me until the last-second tie happened.

The list of Clap voters that day says that is exactly what happened.

yeah, I see how that could be frusterating.

I kind of saw the trouble coming from a mile away. Werewolf has 2 key aspects. Voting and roles. When you try to limit people talking about roles it removes not only creativity but something you use to gauge who you should vote for.

I honestly tried to say as little as possible about my role but it was very diffucult

my role

The problem with this is all the regular werewolf roles were public roles. Everyone else was supposed to be playing as a vanilla villager, it just happened you would have extra information to work with. Instead everytime someone with a hidden role was questioned they fell back onto using their role as a vice for escaping suspicion. I made the mistake of thinking people would not do that, so in that regard the mechanic was not a good one to use.

Yeah, Danny, I felt it proved too difficult. The roles were not just useless but dangerous if we never even referenced them. If someone pressed you why you were voting a certain way, and you had no other evidence what could you do, make things up? You'd basically get lynched for using your role at all.

At least one like mine that gave you information. I'm sorry, Needies, if you felt I was out of line. I wasn't sure where to draw it and assumed Danny would slap my hand if I was doing too much. By the end of hte game I had enough roles to have pegged almost everybody and there was no way I wasn't going to vote on that, and no way people weren't going to assume that had to do with a role.

I guess the votes were hidden.

Basicly I wanted to get a run on anyone and felt PB would be a good candidate. I had a +3 added on to me.

I was hoping the wolves would come for me at night and I would maybe identify one but that never happened.

Yeah, in retrospect, I think the wolves played an awesome game. Considering what they ended up going up against, it's one hell of an achievement to do what they did.

Really, I wouldn't call this a village win, but a draw, invalidated by the game getting out of hand from its original framework (and that's not to put the onus on Danny, this was just one heck of a tough game to moderate).

That was some pretty daring wolf play then, guys. It certainly had me looking at exactly the wrong crowd for a while. I was happy to have caught you at the Eagle Fan thing though.

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We just ended the game?