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The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3006577)
Also fair.

But Zinto also voted for CF when it was vs GE. If GE turns out good that's not necessarily a bad vote, just trying to think where votes could be easily hidden because that's always a voting tactic by wolves. Something that's easy to explain away.

Zinto 03-03-2015 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3006582)
But Zinto also voted for CF when it was vs GE. If GE turns out good that's not necessarily a bad vote, just trying to think where votes could be easily hidden because that's always a voting tactic by wolves. Something that's easy to explain away.


Too be fair thus far my only votes are CF and Shark.

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinto (Post 3006583)
Too be fair thus far my only votes are CF and Shark.

And I can get behind a shark vote. Retroactively votes for CF don't look bad since he wasn't aligned with the village necessarily, however voting for him (anyone who did, not just you) would be a way to hide a vote, in my mind.

Zinto 03-03-2015 02:24 PM
And I made a case why I thought CF might be the Angel. I didn't vote him for being CrimsonFox

Zinto 03-03-2015 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3006584)
And I can get behind a shark vote. Retroactively votes for CF don't look bad since he wasn't aligned with the village necessarily, however voting for him (anyone who did, not just you) would be a way to hide a vote, in my mind.

How would I have known he was neutral? Yeah it looks better than a villager but how would I have come to the conclusion he was neutral.

GoldenEagle 03-03-2015 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3006578)
Wait, so did you have it from D0 or did you acquire it mid-game?

I already said I acquired it mid-game. I suspect all roles were done this way. It could be a game mechanic or I was just randomly chosen as the duke.

It is a shame I had to use it first day and duked to the leader of the faction that was doing all the killing only to have Thomkal over-turn it.

I honestly think my role was created to have a sort of check and balance and to prevent someone from over-stepping authority.

But I have accepted Thomkal's reasoning and I don't think we need to go down the path of lynching him yet.

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:26 PM
Sorry GE, and really everyone if we/I are making you repeat stuff, but this has been a beast of a thread. :)

Grover 03-03-2015 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grover (Post 3006573)
REMEMBER: Thomkal decided to put font on trial and absolved her.

This is not entirely accurate.

"someone" suggested putting font up for trial (GoldenEagle) and Thomkal weighed the evidence and absolved her.

Narcizo 03-03-2015 02:29 PM
Hmmm... I find it odd that a role was handed out like that. Do we even know that other roles have been dealt to villagers? I'd actually think it might be a check and balance for the Angel - but luckily for you you were in jail when fonti was killed. I think.

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grover (Post 3006590)
This is not entirely accurate.

"someone" suggested putting font up for trial (GoldenEagle) and Thomkal weighed the evidence and absolved her.

Right right. But he was pretty clear that he wouldn't put her on trial if given the choice.

Grover 03-03-2015 02:29 PM
Should be a question mark after (GoldenEagle?)

I am failing at pre-post editing today.

Narcizo 03-03-2015 02:30 PM
That's to Golden.

GoldenEagle 03-03-2015 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3006589)
Sorry GE, and really everyone if we/I are making you repeat stuff, but this has been a beast of a thread. :)

No problem. Thread is massive.

I just wanted to say "I already said..." so I wouldn't be accused of changing my story.

Zinto 03-03-2015 02:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3006592)
Hmmm... I find it odd that a role was handed out like that. Do we even know that other roles have been dealt to villagers? I'd actually think it might be a check and balance for the Angel - but luckily for you you were in jail when fonti was killed. I think.


I think the same thing. It doesn't make sense to me to have a duke role just handed out this game. It has seemed so far that every other role corresponds to a job in the colony.

Thomkal 03-03-2015 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grover (Post 3006520)
I understand why four of you do not hold elections. You're afraid of losing a lynch vote tomorrow.

However, have you considered that standing pat with our current leader is exactly what the opposition to this colony wants? We are stuck in the mud, spinning our wheels. We need to stand up for change. We need to fight back against the evil that lurks in the darkness, behind corners and among the shadows.

Will you stand by while the current regime allows us to be slaughtered by the wolves? Or will you stand up and fight for your freedom. Fight to free yourselves from the terror of the wolves, the terror of the Seekers and the terror of the Resistance.

We must be the ones to take this into our own hands. Thomkal's leadership has been doomed from the day he took control of the colony through Marshal Law and we have just stood by and accepted it.

vote grover

above is my reason

Narcizo 03-03-2015 02:33 PM
I honestly feel there's enough question marks about Thomkal to warrant a re-election. I'll have to leave you soon and will say that the last hour has been fin. I've missed being a part of a dialogue instead of a monologue. And sorry if I sounded condescending Raven.

Grover 03-03-2015 02:35 PM
vote Thomkal

Now his leadership has been challenged and he grows uneasy. He does not wish to hold elections because he does not want to lose his grip of power over the colony. Our leader is hiding something much more than being a 'retired' General.

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grover (Post 3006594)
Should be a question mark after (GoldenEagle?)

I am failing at pre-post editing today.

Yes, GE duked to font after we voted to lynch him.

Narcizo 03-03-2015 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3006599)
vote grover

above is my reason

Well that's a crap reason then. It shows self-interest rather than an interest in finding the wolves.

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:36 PM
Thom I'd like to hear a bit more than a reactive vote to an RP post when there's more than just Grover who want a re-election. Maybe all of us don't echo the "doomed" language, but..

GoldenEagle 03-03-2015 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3006592)
Hmmm... I find it odd that a role was handed out like that. Do we even know that other roles have been dealt to villagers? I'd actually think it might be a check and balance for the Angel - but luckily for you you were in jail when fonti was killed. I think.

I don't know if any other villagers have roles. And I would prefer any potential seer to step forward and say "look at me, I am the seer!".

EagleFan 03-03-2015 02:36 PM
As of post 3371:

Lynch
Zinto 1 - Raven (3229)
Grover 1 - Thomkal (3365)
Thomkal 1 - Grover (3367)


Elections
Yes 4 - Narcizo (3246), The Jackal (3260), Grover (3270), GoldenEagle (3277)
No 4 - Raven (3229), Sharkn20 (3238), Thomkal (3282), Shoveler (3201)


Actions
Retrieve Communicator 1 - Raven (3229)
Upgrade Research Center 2 - Sharkn20 (3237), Narcizo (3248)
Design Upgrade Defense 2 - Grover (3251), The Jackal (3255)
Explore Flatlands 0
Explore Heat Source 0
Explore Landing Site 0

Zinto 03-03-2015 02:37 PM
Also, Thom why have you not appointed members to the government?

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinto (Post 3006607)
Also, Thom why have you not appointed members to the government?

Yes this has been asked a few times today and if you've answered it I missed it. What has prevented you from appointing new people to the police force, etc?

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:43 PM
vote shark

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:43 PM
For now.

Narcizo 03-03-2015 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3006608)
Yes this has been asked a few times today and if you've answered it I missed it. What has prevented you from appointing new people to the police force, etc?

He hasn't had the chance until today - if you look at the day start options given by Eagle.

Grover 03-03-2015 02:44 PM
It is no doubt going to be more of us "I have nothing I can reveal until later" rhetoric.

Dictator Thomkal is starting to wear thing with the lack of substance and transparency in his leadership.

Granted, I know what I am saying sounds like Revolutionary talk, but I am a humble villager looking out for the best of the colony. Thomkal seems much more interested in protecting his own interests rather than the interests of all of us.

Thomkal 03-03-2015 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinto (Post 3006551)
Why haven't you elected a new person to the police force Thom?

I did-that person was killed along with the rest of the police force, some thankfully.

ntndeacon 03-03-2015 02:45 PM
Vote yes to elections

Zinto 03-03-2015 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3006611)
He hasn't had the chance until today - if you look at the day start options given by Eagle.


Ahhh. Is NTN already a member of the medical team? Why wasn't he appointed yesterday if not?

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3006611)
He hasn't had the chance until today - if you look at the day start options given by Eagle.

Ahh, thanks.

Narcizo 03-03-2015 02:47 PM
vote Zinto

Nothing hugely negative against him but I feel I have valid reasons for not voting a lot of people and I'm getting a panicky wolf vibe from him at the moment. For the record I think he's more likely Truth Seeker than Resistance.

GoldenEagle 03-03-2015 02:47 PM
There has to be ramifications if we lynch the leader. I am not saying we can't go down that path, but today is not the best day to do that. Elect a new leader and then lynch him if we still want to do that.

Raven 03-03-2015 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcizo (Post 3006600)
I honestly feel there's enough question marks about Thomkal to warrant a re-election. I'll have to leave you soon and will say that the last hour has been fin. I've missed being a part of a dialogue instead of a monologue. And sorry if I sounded condescending Raven.

No offense taken. This is game, and I don't necessarily think that peoples actions here are 100% reflective of their real personalities (myself included).

EF has built a complex game here. We all realize that. Maybe my actions the past 24 hours may have seemed like a dumb bull-rush for Zinto, but I've thought it through. There were multiple layers to my actions, and I am not simply acting crazy. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean they will play out the way I thought it could, but at the very least I think I've stirred the pot a bit and gotten some new discussion going, and helped establish where some people stand on certain things...

Grover 03-03-2015 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 3006618)
There has to be ramifications if we lynch the leader. I am not saying we can't go down that path, but today is not the best day to do that. Elect a new leader and then lynch him if we still want to do that.

I am willing to change my vote. It was reactionary to his voting for me simply because I am speaking out against his totalitarian regime.

He has tried to elect the wrong people to positions and some of them have thankfully wound up dead. We cannot continue to allow our leader to make such grievous errors in judgment.

ntndeacon 03-03-2015 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinto (Post 3006615)
Ahhh. Is NTN already a member of the medical team? Why wasn't he appointed yesterday if not?

I think I was already appointed to the medical facility right after the facility was built.

Thomkal 03-03-2015 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grover (Post 3006573)
REMEMBER: Thomkal decided to put font on trial and absolved her.

Grover did you not say yourself that you voted for font and were completely fooled by her ending up as the leader of the resistance? So why can't I have been completely fooled too? Because I was.

EagleFan 03-03-2015 02:51 PM
As of post 3388:

Lynch
Zinto 2 - Raven (3229), Narcizo (3383)
Grover 1 - Thomkal (3365)
Thomkal 1 - Grover (3367)
Sharkn20 1 - The Jackal (3375)


Elections
Yes 5 - Narcizo (3246), The Jackal (3260), Grover (3270), GoldenEagle (3277), ntndeacon (3380)
No 4 - Raven (3229), Sharkn20 (3238), Thomkal (3282), Shoveler (3201)


Actions
Retrieve Communicator 1 - Raven (3229)
Upgrade Research Center 2 - Sharkn20 (3237), Narcizo (3248)
Design Upgrade Defense 2 - Grover (3251), The Jackal (3255)
Explore Flatlands 0
Explore Heat Source 0
Explore Landing Site 0

Zinto 03-03-2015 02:53 PM
I think it is weird how GE attained his duke ability compared to how most of the roles have been given out.

Zinto 03-03-2015 02:53 PM
Vote Golden Eagle

Grover 03-03-2015 02:57 PM
OOC: I am enjoying this immensely and it is a pleasure to play this game with all of you.

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:58 PM
5 way vote.. fun

Thomkal 03-03-2015 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 3006587)
I already said I acquired it mid-game. I suspect all roles were done this way. It could be a game mechanic or I was just randomly chosen as the duke.

It is a shame I had to use it first day and duked to the leader of the faction that was doing all the killing only to have Thomkal over-turn it.

I honestly think my role was created to have a sort of check and balance and to prevent someone from over-stepping authority.

But I have accepted Thomkal's reasoning and I don't think we need to go down the path of lynching him yet.

Perhaps you got it when you worked on the research group after saying you had some agenda? (not secret project so I don't get called on that again)

And that last sentence is probably the "nicest" thing you've said to me all game I think :) Almost makes me regret jailing you...almost :)

The Jackal 03-03-2015 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grover (Post 3006628)
OOC: I am enjoying this immensely and it is a pleasure to play this game with all of you.

I'm also enjoying this and hope the momentum continues, I'll be happy to run a game next. It won't be quite this complex, I swear. I don't know where EF finds the time, haha.

Shoveler 03-03-2015 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinto (Post 3006626)
I think it is weird how GE attained his duke ability compared to how most of the roles have been given out.

Well since my roll is already in the open I'll comment on this. I did not start with my ability. It was given to me (and subsequently used) on the day I roughed up CR. I think that was day 2 or 3.

ntndeacon 03-03-2015 03:00 PM
I was given a night action a couple days ago. (Thursday to be exact) This was due to my suspecting Timmae was an identity thief. I also was a little leery of him due some earlier discussion that day. So I injected him with a syringe to weaken him by a lot. Clearly, the addition of him being interrogated was enough to kill him.

Zinto 03-03-2015 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoveler (Post 3006632)
Well since my roll is already in the open I'll comment on this. I did not start with my ability. It was given to me (and subsequently used) on the day I roughed up CR. I think that was day 2 or 3.


Interesting. Was there any flavor to you getting that role?

EagleFan 03-03-2015 03:01 PM
As of post 3396:

Lynch
Zinto 2 - Raven (3229), Narcizo (3383)
Grover 1 - Thomkal (3365)
Thomkal 1 - Grover (3367)
Sharkn20 1 - The Jackal (3375)
GoldenEagle 1 - Zinto (3391)


Elections
Yes 5 - Narcizo (3246), The Jackal (3260), Grover (3270), GoldenEagle (3277), ntndeacon (3380)
No 4 - Raven (3229), Sharkn20 (3238), Thomkal (3282), Shoveler (3201)


Actions
Retrieve Communicator 1 - Raven (3229)
Upgrade Research Center 2 - Sharkn20 (3237), Narcizo (3248)
Design Upgrade Defense 2 - Grover (3251), The Jackal (3255)
Explore Flatlands 0
Explore Heat Source 0
Explore Landing Site 0

Shoveler 03-03-2015 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinto (Post 3006634)
Interesting. Was there any flavor to you getting that role?

What do you mean by flavor?


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