Jezus. He keeps finding ways to lower that bar, gotta give him that.

No.

Do you think Trumpy actually understands that if even 10% of the US citizens in Puerto Rico migrate to Florida that the GOP will lose two state senate seats and several house seats during the next election?

Pretty sure they are working on a way to suppress those votes anyway

A big part of Trump was the idea that he could say anything whenever he wanted. I am dying for the opposition to get the hint that turnabout is fair play when it comes to Trump. Why isn't anyone out there just blasting him with every "trumpism" there is so much that he feels like he has to constantly defend himself from the dumbest, stupidest shit there is, just because he can't help himself.

I honestly had no idea that the paper towel situation in Puerto Rico was so grim. There must be so many untidy counter-tops.

I swear the stills are crying out for a ps war.

dola

How is #trumpshootshescores not a trending hashtag?

Very versatile little things. Can dress wounds, can mix them with stagnant rain water to make a mushy paper stew, etc.

Death toll is 34 in PR :(

And he says..."Lovely trip"

Honest question, not trolling. For FOFC members that voted for Trump, if any would not have voted for him knowing what you know now and why?

Hmmmm, the waters are getting muddier. This would be a huge discussion point if it happened on any other week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...iny/728467001/

But emails!!

A companion question.

I have no doubt this happens somewhat regularly. Our campaign finance system practically demands this type of corruption.

The secretary of State also referred to the president as a "moron" a few days earlier during a meeting with key Cabinet officials, according to NBC.

LOL.

I came to this thread because I just got notification of this...

NBC news is #FakeNews and more dishonest than even CNN. They are a disgrace to good reporting. No wonder their news ratings are way down!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 4, 2017

...and was wondering what NBC had said. :D

Would any of Kelly, Mattis, or McMaster, be willing to go on record and state that Trump is not a moron?

yeah I think that's in the article. So even your own Cabinet members think you are a moron. Just great.

Well I voted against Hillary and Trump and for the Libertarian guy.

I don't regret it because at the time I figured both Trump and Clinton would be bad. I was right about Trump and I still believe Clinton would've been bad.

It was the report that Tillerson called him a moron.

More proof he posts things 180 degrees apart.

An interesting cartoon that is circulating. pic.twitter.com/OPG2R2ytkr

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 22, 2014

lol

Trump is so weak that he can't even fire a cabinet member that won't deny he called the president a fucking moron.

PredictIt numbers:

Tillerson to be Sec of State on Oct 31: .92
Tillerson to be Sec of State on Dec 31: .75

Trump now tweeted that Pence and Tillerson completely deny NBC's report and should apologize for their fake news. You know just needed something to do on his way to Vegas to visit the victims and families.

Tillerson is only there to get Russian sanctions lifted for money for Exxon and himself and Trump's lack of subtlety in everything is killing him.

Pro-Life hasn't meant anti-abortion in awhile. It's anti-woman having sex.

Apparently, it still means stupidity:

Embattled GOP Rep. Tim Murphy to retire - POLITICO

From WaPo:

Too bad the GOP won't do anything about it.

With any President before this one a quote like that would have knocked me over. With this one I'm like, is that all, as I expect him to be provoking North Korea or marginalizing victims of some tragedy.

Hey remember how General Kelly was going to come in and help figure out who the WH leaker was?

Welp, found 'em.

Trump's going to decertify the Iran agreement next week because Obama did it.

The rest of the world is going to roll their eyes at the continued decline of American influence.

Do you really think our influence is declining?

We have the largest and best military in the world. We are the richest country in the world.

How is this decline happening?

Speaking of Trump spreading influence:

Canadian Holocaust Memorial Neglects to Mention Jews

I'm sure there were good people on both sides. Amirite?

Try watching foreign news some time.

And the retirement becomes a resignation later this month:

Tim Murphy resigns from Congress - POLITICO

I voted McMullin and I'd do it again. Trump has only been somewhat worse than I expected -- I expected very little but I did think he'd have more discipline, grow into the job more than he has, etc. Power of covfefe I guess.

Anyway, during the campaign I said I wouldn't want either as a neighbor, wouldn't support either for dogcatcher, etc.(meaning Trump and HRC). I refuse to swallow the false binary of the lesser of two evils. I won't vote for a bad candidate(Clinton) to keep a somewhat worse one(Trump) out, ever.

That's my answer.

It sure would have been nice if we had discussed communications security before the election.

This was the reason for the additional question. I have read too many posts on this board and talked to too many people who have made it perfectly clear that they were Anybody But Hillary. The idea that events that have transpired since January 2017 would change the minds of the majority of Americans is laughable to me. If we had a re-do this November, we would still either vote for Trump or against HRC.

I wonder if Gary Johnson would get more support. If we did a Nov. do over.

Interesting thought there.

Dear God, Northam is going to lose the VA Gov. race.

If you are talking about his core of 35% or so, I agree. But there were other Trump voters that I think may be regretting their decision after seeing how things have been.

Just curious if any FOFC Trump supporters regret their vote now and why.

I'm glad the story came out and he got burned. What a hypocrite.

I think Tillerson is rich enough and he don't need more. I think he's a good guy trying to give back to the country.

As Corker alluded to, are we wanting and are they (Tillerson, Kelly, McMaster) staying on because they know if they left it would be much worse? I would like to give them the benefit of doubt.

Tillerson led Exxon violated Russian sanctions. He's as dirty as it gets and is trying to keep Trump from screwing up his sugar daddy situation. He's refusing to use $80 million to investigate Russian propaganda.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/20/inve...ons/index.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7851351.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politi...sia/index.html

I would be interested in reading more. Do you have links?

Leak reveals Rex Tillerson was director of Bahamas-based US-Russian oil firm | US news | The Guardian

A Brief Guide to Rex Tillerson's Controversial Foreign Ties - The Atlantic

Interesting. Thanks.

I suspect that the number is much smaller than you think. They got a Gorsuch in the Supreme Court, which is the only reason many of them voted for him in the first place.

(And I've personally talked to some who are literally praying for Mueller to turn up something impeachable. If this whole thing ends up with President Pence, they'll feel smart and *completely* justified in voting for Trump.)

Yes, I'm sure there are some swing voters who voted "outsider" who are now thinking "this outsider is an idiot," and would vote otherwise, but the bulk of center-right folks who went with Team R despite their strong misgivings about the specific candidate? I don't see it.

Anecdotal, but interesting to think about nonetheless: one of my closest friends from home--a guy who was a groomsman at my wedding--is a solid case study here. He supported Rubio in the primaries, but was a nose-holding Trump voter, and actually called me up to try to talk me into joining him. (After all, my vote was much more significant than his; he still lives in Georgia, while I'm in a swing state that most people thought Trump *had* to win to have a chance to stop HRC.) Pretty close to a direct quote from that conversation was "Ben, look, I know we can't trust Trump. We have no idea what kind of person he might put on the Supreme Court. But you know as well as I do what Hillary will do to the Court if she gets the chance."

By the way, this guy also point-blank stated to me before the election that he thought Trump's ego would get us into a "stupid war" within 6 months of him being President. So between Gorsuch and 9 months without a war, it's fair (and sad) to say that Trump has significantly exceeded this guy's expectations.

I am in this group. I was on the fence between Trump and Johnson. Living in Ohio, the Supreme Court list was what made me pull the trigger for Trump. Clinton had no business being anywhere close to the levers of power. Trump was the devil I didn't know, Clinton was the devil I did.

Trump alludes to "calm before the storm" in confusing comments - CBS News

Dunno if I'd put much hope on getting to a year.

...or he's doing his usual random bullshitting. Who knows.

Probably BS, for now. No real political gain by going to war now.

However, fully expect that if we make it to Trump year 3, we will be at war with someone to try and boost his popularity for the elections.

Add another item to the list of Obama accomplishments undone by Trump.

83 Month streak of positive job numbers comes to an end.

Doubt we'll see any tweet about this.

I'm with Ben here. Trump is governing precisely as he ran.

If Jeb had gotten the nomination and won the presidency and then acted exactly as Trump has, I'd say that he'd be in trouble because a lot of people who supported him would be shocked and disappointed.

But what has Trump done or not done that has really surprised us? I don't see how you pull the lever for him in November and end up not pulling it 4 years later based on how he's been in office so far.

(Other things might change like the Dem candidate, etc. to change the election of course).

I don't think that's true for Obama voters that switched, and I expect some or most of the difference between Trump's election percentage and polling represents those folks.

IIRC, the single biggest predictor for Obama voters who switched to vote for Trump was their views on immigration. I don't think Trump has quite let them down on that.

And don't forget all those gullible voters that voted Trump only due to Russian propaganda. ;)

Does Gary Johnson's "Allepo?" moment really look that bad now looking back?

Gary Johnson is an interesting point.

Last election had a high number of 3rd party voters. How do they feel about Trump? Are they going to vote Dem to get him out? Are they going to stay home? Go 3rd party again? They saw Trump and Clinton as equally unacceptable. Will that hold in 3 years with another Democratic candidate? I have no idea personally, but it seems like a huge question.

The funny part is how most of the board views Trump is how I view all presidents. Not the moronic Trump-specific twitter stuff but the trying to ram stuff through Congress and the king-like executive power he thinks he has and the showing up to disasters for photo ops etc. I will likely always be a third party voter though if you told me I was that deciding vote Kevin Costner guy from the movie in the last election I would have voted Hillary over Gary Johnson for sure.

I voted for Johnson because my vote was in a state that was going to go to one candidate only and I want more options. Depending on how things look next time, and where I'll be, I would consider voting Democrat for the first time in my life just to get Trump out of office.

I think of the woman I saw that claimed to have voted for Bush, Obama, and Trump, and was now regretting her decision. She clearly makes choices entirely disconnected to policy.

Probably votes on who she would like to have a beer with.

Someone needs to tell trump that hiding facts doesn't change reality ..

FEMA removes statistics about drinking water access and electricity in Puerto Rico from website - The Washington Post

I voted Johnson and will vote Johnson again. Im tired of the system we have in place.
It is a big government candidate against a big government candidate. Both of which make the corporations more rich.

Its time for change.

Trump offers broad leeway to employers to drop birth control coverage

Some meat for his base.

I also voted Johnson, but will vote nearly any Dem next time to avoid a second Trump term, as long as they are more palatable then him. Which shouldn't be hard to accomplish. I just can't take 4 more years of this trainwreck, if we make it through the first 4 unscathed.

Typical Trump, I really can't see any employer of major standing taking this benefit away.

Maybe less bullshitting and more wishful thinking on his part. I think Trump really wants to be a war-time President and is trying hard to find a war to fight. And of course not Iraq or Afghanistan. Those wars have other people's names on them. He needs his own war. The best war. It'll be so good no one will be able to believe it!

I hope in the future we can all laugh about this episode (Trump as President) and play a party game of "Dictator or President", reading absurd statements and attributing them to one or the other.

Ho hum. The President Of The United States is issuing veiled threats to an unpredictable nuclear-armed dictator via Twitter again. {yawn} pic.twitter.com/aShD7Luc2V

— Ben Lewis (@benelou) October 7, 2017

The Trump approach is obviously making North Korea think twice before moving forward on their nuclear arms program.

Does anyone in the admin have the guts to tell the president that everyone knows he's full of shit? His threats mean nothing because the whole world knows it's empty bluster.

He is quickly turning into the boy who cried "wolf".

Also, lol at Trump for criticizing a nation for not honoring their agreements.

Being full of shit won him the Presidency. Convince his supporters of the truth and then you have something.

Why Trump Supporters Were Susceptible to Fake News - The Atlantic

Good luck with that.

The full interview with Huckabee that a lot of these quotes are coming from is amazing and ridiculous. Just another Sunday morning!

OMG, the towels quote.


and

The man who coined the phrase 'prime the pump' now gives you a new word, 'fake.'

Donald Trump defends paper towels in Puerto Rico, says Stephen Paddock was ‘probably smart’ in bizarre TV interview: Analysis | Toronto Star

Daaamn.

Corker not holding back now that he's retiring

It's a shame these Republican representatives continue to allow the day care center to operate. Just empty words without any action.

Did you not see his quotes and conversation on canned meat and water purification tablets?

I mean, how those didn't go incredibly viral I don't know.

Truly a politician for the working man.

Who was the President who was baffled about supermarket scanners back in the day?

Bush 41

I held out hope that Pence was an actual adult in part due to knowing someone who worked for him in Indiana. I guess it's time to admit he's nothing more than a grandstanding political opportunist.

Vice President Pence walks out of Colts game over 49ers’ national anthem protests - The Washington Post

Given the teams it was probably a smart decision.

He's the one that signed a law in Indiana for allowing workers to act on their conscience while on the job, right?

Pence still has the right to react however he wants. I'm not sure what's so difficult about that concept to some people.

He knew what was going to happen, he went anyway under the pretense that he was there for Manning's jersey retirement, then he walked out and made sure to get a statement out to the press. He's a grandstanding opportunist jackass.

#snowflake

dola

That time when Scalise argues for legal missile launchers.