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Edward64 03-30-2017 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3153075)
The H-1B visas have been horribly abused by companies. I'm sure there are some fields that need more demand but it's also being used by companies to drive down high paying jobs.

For instance, Zuckerberg only fights for immigration because he wants cheap programmers.


Agree, I have experience with H1-B.

I am talking about something broader fro well educated (not just the rich) immigrants wannabees. Assuming there is a vetting process, why don't we want the best and brightest from other countries. I think there should be a special category to fast track them.

One thing I would like to see is eliminating dual citizenship which the US allows with some countries. That doesn't see right.

kingfc22 03-30-2017 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3153085)
So, who else often asks for immunity when testifying about your boss?


Only when I know there will be "fake news" involved.

albionmoonlight 03-30-2017 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3153086)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-fl...ity-1490912959

Flynn offers to testify.. but in exchange, he wants immunity.

Weeeeelllll now.


Him wanting it is one thing.

The FBI granting it--that's a whole new ballgame

JonInMiddleGA 03-30-2017 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3153054)
Is it not true that a huge chunk--maybe even a majority--of illegals aren't border-jumpers, but people who overstayed visas? I know that some American companies (chicken farming comes to mind) hire Mexican workers legally but then when the visa is up, they just stay.


I think this article (from Pew, but seems to be based on DHS report, not on survey or anything) addresses that question.


Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave | Pew Research Center

The answer is still pretty sketchy due to inadequacies in both information gathering and subsequent data collection.

molson 03-30-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3153086)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-fl...ity-1490912959

Flynn offers to testify.. but in exchange, he wants immunity.

Weeeeelllll now.


The military requires sacrifice and risk, but this guy doesn't want to tell the truth unless he gets a cookie first.

There's a reason jailhouse snitch testimony is notoriously unreliable.

Ben E Lou 03-30-2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3153098)
I think this article (from Pew, but seems to be based on DHS report, not on survey or anything) addresses that question.


Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave | Pew Research Center

The answer is still pretty sketchy due to inadequacies in both information gathering and subsequent data collection.

Yeah, overall not a great hard data, but if those estimates of 400K+ a year are anywhere close to correct, I'd think those make up a significant chunk of our illegals. Makes me wonder even more about the cost-effectiveness of a wall.

On another note, I would never have guessed that Brazil would be #3 on that list. I would have assumed a European country.

bronconick 03-30-2017 07:34 PM

I forgot to buy stocks in Polonium.

CrescentMoonie 03-30-2017 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3153105)
Yeah, overall not a great hard data, but if those estimates of 400K+ a year are anywhere close to correct, I'd think those make up a significant chunk of our illegals. Makes me wonder even more about the cost-effectiveness of a wall.

On another note, I would never have guessed that Brazil would be #3 on that list. I would have assumed a European country.


I wouldn't have guessed Brazil immediately, but I've seen enough to know that they've got a serious upper middle class and upper class. ABInBev is run by a Brazilian. One of the first bank branches to be fully automated was opened in Sao Paolo in 2012. There's a ton of brutally poor people in Brazil, but there's also a well educated populace looking for somewhere else to live now that the economy there has collapsed.

tarcone 03-30-2017 09:00 PM

The Clintons would have never let something like this Flynn thing get anywhere near this point. They would have offed the person a long time ago.

PilotMan 03-30-2017 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3153105)
Makes me wonder even more about the cost-effectiveness of a wall.



20+ bln to build then a few bln per year in increased overhead. Within a few years the cost to maintain blows the cost to build out of the water. That's more than a third of the proposed cost to increase military spending. Look what was cut to afford that. Hard to even argue about the cost effectiveness of it.

JonInMiddleGA 03-30-2017 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3153105)
Yeah, overall not a great hard data, but if those estimates of 400K+ a year are anywhere close to correct, I'd think those make up a significant chunk of our illegals. Makes me wonder even more about the cost-effectiveness of a wall.


Well, the report does show a significant attrition rate. (dropping nearly 70k from just Sept til Jan). The indications being that those who overstay tend to not stay permanently at anything close to a 100% level.

Then again, I don't give two shits WHY they're here illegally, simply that they are is the offense.

tarcone 03-30-2017 09:20 PM

Here is a way to save money AND protest our borders.
Shut down bases in foreign countries and bring all those soldiers home and place them on the mexican border. Cut off aid to other countries and spend it at home.

Problem solved.

JPhillips 03-30-2017 09:23 PM

Except for the unconstitutional aspect of deploying troops on American soil.

PilotMan 03-30-2017 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3153124)
The Clintons would have never let something like this Flynn thing get anywhere near this point. They would have offed the person a long time ago.


What's more is that the only people they've left alive to even talk about it only suspect all the shit they've done. They've cleaned themselves better than the "Wolf" himself.

Groundhog 03-30-2017 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3153128)
Here is a way to save money AND protest our borders.
Shut down bases in foreign countries and bring all those soldiers home and place them on the mexican border. Cut off aid to other countries and spend it at home.

Problem solved.


Great idea, I wonder why no one else has thought of that. It's almost enough to make you think there's non-humanitarian reasons as to why the US has bases and soldiers in foreign countries.

tarcone 03-30-2017 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3153129)
Except for the unconstitutional aspect of deploying troops on American soil.


Build a bunch of forts then. Use domestic workers. So now I have created jobs AND secured the border.

And, really, what President has let the constitution stand in his way in the last 40 years?

NobodyHere 03-30-2017 09:29 PM

Remember to cancel all temporary work permits too.

Edward64 03-30-2017 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3153102)
The military requires sacrifice and risk, but this guy doesn't want to tell the truth unless he gets a cookie first.

There's a reason jailhouse snitch testimony is notoriously unreliable.


To be fair, even if I knew I was innocent, I would still ask for this considering the situation. No harm in trying.

PilotMan 03-30-2017 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3153139)
To be fair, even if I knew I was innocent, I would still ask for this considering the situation. No harm in trying.


Same here, but this is still fun.



Edward64 03-30-2017 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3153125)
20+ bln to build then a few bln per year in increased overhead. Within a few years the cost to maintain blows the cost to build out of the water. That's more than a third of the proposed cost to increase military spending. Look what was cut to afford that. Hard to even argue about the cost effectiveness of it.


Don't think I've seen a cost-benefit analysis of this. On the other hand, there would may/theoretically be reduced social services, less crime, more lower wage jobs available etc.

Edward64 03-30-2017 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3153141)
Same here, but this is still fun.


Nice irony, hypocrisy and karma.

molson 03-31-2017 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3153139)
To be fair, even if I knew I was innocent, I would still ask for this considering the situation. No harm in trying.


It's a rational thing to do, it would just be nice if someone of consequence in government (or someone recently in government) once, ever, put their country first at great personal risk and sacrifice. That's why governments have many of the problems they do, everybody's obsessed with self-preservation and their own personal interests.

There's no harm in trying for him, but there is potential harm for the country. Anything he testifies about has much less value if he's getting something in exchange for it, and that testimony has almost zero value unless there's independent corroboration.

I hope the government can get to the bottom of things without him, and that he can just go down with everybody else. But those investigators, like him, will likely all be working in their own self-interest first, so there's a lot of potential roadblocks to that outcome.

JPhillips 03-31-2017 09:15 AM

I read speculation that this is an Oliver North type play. He isn't expecting the FBI to offer immunity, but if one of the congressional committees does it will make a future prosecution much more difficult. I expect the target is Nunes.

Kodos 03-31-2017 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3153124)
The Clintons would have never let something like this Flynn thing get anywhere near this point. They would have offed the person a long time ago.


This is such bullshit. You've been reading too much Russian-based fake news, my friend.

mckerney 03-31-2017 04:30 PM

@justinsink 12m
12 minutes ago

after @MajorCBS asks about Flynn, Trump leaves signing ceremony without signing executive orders. Pence went and picked it up from desk



The best temperament.

Atocep 03-31-2017 04:57 PM

The reactions of everyone else is what makes it amazing. It started with "what's going on?" and moved to "is this really happening?" with a touch of "try to act normal" rather quickly.

Chief Rum 03-31-2017 05:10 PM

Gawd, he's such an utter ass.

molson 03-31-2017 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3153334)
The reactions of everyone else is what makes it amazing. It started with "what's going on?" and moved to "is this really happening?" with a touch of "try to act normal" rather quickly.


Pence looks like he's kind of used to it.

Chief Rum 03-31-2017 06:08 PM

Friend of mine overheard this in a bar (non-PC).

"Say what you want about the wall, but the Chinese built a wall 3,000 years ago, and there still ain't no Mexicans in China."

I laughed in spite of myself.

JPhillips 03-31-2017 06:16 PM

With sound it's even more bizarre.




Nobody said anything until he started to walk away.

Easy Mac 03-31-2017 07:11 PM

Remember guys, they don't make mistakes.

Radii 03-31-2017 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3153350)
Nobody said anything until he started to walk away.


Yup, that changes the context completely. He wasn't pissed about a question about Flynn, he was... ??? I have no idea. Headed towards a nervous breakdown? Just going through the motions?

Chief Rum 03-31-2017 09:21 PM

Yea, I watched it live now as well, and I agree, whatever he was doing, it wasn't about the question on Flynn.

That said, I remain resolute that he is indeed an utter ass, for past actions taken.

digamma 03-31-2017 10:18 PM

Is the podium inside the Oval Office new? Not a criticism or anything, just thought it seemed a little odd, and don't remember seeing that before.

molson 03-31-2017 10:22 PM

Maybe he just had to poop

thesloppy 03-31-2017 10:37 PM

It looks like one of those too-drunk/high moments where he thought he was cool until he had to get up to the podium & speak, and then he said "fuck this, I need to lie down."

sabotai 03-31-2017 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3153383)
Maybe he just had to poop


Pence: Mr. President, you forgot to sign the executive orders.

Trump: Just bring them along, I'll sign them on the can.

Pence: Yes, Mr. President.

Sun Tzu 03-31-2017 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3153385)
It looks like one of those too-drunk/high moments where he thought he was cool until he had to get up to the podium & speak, and then he said "fuck this, I need to lie down."


This.

Edward64 04-01-2017 07:29 AM

You know, looks weird but somewhat harmless. Considering his age, he gets a pass unless this starts to happen alot.

Ben E Lou 04-01-2017 07:45 AM

Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd ftw :D



Edward64 04-01-2017 07:54 AM

I don't agree with much he says, but do kinda appreciate him using Twitter to connect with the common person. Obviously using it to move his agenda and sow confusion/misdirection but he is the first Twitter President.

Edward64 04-01-2017 07:59 AM

Don't think its that big of a deal but interesting that Hannity publicly disagrees. Hope Trump twitter responds.

Hannity breaks with Trump on health care debacle - Mar. 31, 2017
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In a notable moment of divergence between the White House and perhaps its most reliable media booster, Fox News host Sean Hannity said Thursday that President Donald Trump was wrong to blame the failure of the Republican health care bill on the faction of GOP lawmakers known as the Freedom Caucus.

"Now in my opinion, it's not the Freedom Caucus that's responsible for the GOP failure in this case to repeal and replace Obamacare," Hannity said on his eponymous program. "Now this legislation was flawed from the beginning. It was created behind closed doors. Not one single member saw the bill until it was rolled out. And that made it a disaster."

Hannity's commentary came hours after Trump lashed out at the Freedom Caucus, a group of hardline conservatives and libertarians in the House of Representatives, for the demise of the American Health Care Act.

In a tweet on Thursday morning, Trump said the caucus "will hurt the entire Republican agenda," and suggested that members should face primary challenges next year.

Hannity said that Trump was off the mark with the tweets.

Thomkal 04-01-2017 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3153435)
Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd ftw :D




Correction Mr. President, the "fake news" obama surveillance scandal you created so we would stop talking about your criminal activities?

Atocep 04-02-2017 11:51 AM

Mark Cuban did a great job on twitter of explaining what's mostly likely going on with Trump and the Russia ties.

tarcone 04-02-2017 12:38 PM

HRC took lots of money from countries and gave favors in return. Would this have gotten this long of a run had she won?

JPhillips 04-02-2017 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3153617)
HRC took lots of money from countries and gave favors in return. Would this have gotten this long of a run had she won?


Of course not. She would have killed everyone.

You gotta keep up with your own posts!

stevew 04-02-2017 01:27 PM

Maybe a dumbass question but can't they just modify rules of engagement/deployment of the "Coast Guard" and use that branch of the service as cheap-ish border enforcement?

Atocep 04-02-2017 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3153617)
HRC took lots of money from countries and gave favors in return. Would this have gotten this long of a run had she won?


You mean, like emails?

Atocep 04-02-2017 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3153622)
Maybe a dumbass question but can't they just modify rules of engagement/deployment of the "Coast Guard" and use that branch of the service as cheap-ish border enforcement?


Changing the mission statement of a branch of service is highly unlikely and extremely difficult. You'd arguably be breaking the contract of every current Coast Guard member.

Edward64 04-02-2017 02:13 PM

I'm not sure I understand the big deal about Gorsuch other than its sour grapes by the Dems. He seems to be well qualified, well thought of, and doesn't seem to be as extreme as Scalia.


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