CR, Narc. I'm about to give you every single thing I've asked of cronin over the past day. You'll want to stick around.

True, but surely SOMEONE would notice. I mean, deaths are an easy thing to track.

Thanks ;-) I haven't played before, but I would bet that would be the first time anybody's ever become an heir in werewolf!

This is actually going to be fun to post. First, I got the response from cronin at 7:42pm yesterday that I got the assassin. That's all it said.

Quoting myself from my own PM:
Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast
Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Can I use him while I'm in jail?

More coming.

I have stated the case against path before, so he's probably getting annoyed with it. :)

Basically, it was the combination of path being in the original five possible for the sword killer hire on Day One (he says he bid on the priest, and we went back and confirmed he announced that at the time, to be fair), and then being one of the six who could have been lying about Balbus Senna being stolen from Ironhead at the time when we had my plan in most effect. He was the only one in both groups.

There has also been the UTR factors that others have mentioned (I don't put as much weight into that), and path himself ponied up to that, to being less active than usual. And then he's been among our wealthiest (not top tier, but generally higher elite), and we have been suspecting that rich Tarqs have contributed to the confusion we have been seeing in the bidding process.

I thnik that's it, but I'll admit I haven't gone back and scanned a whole lot of posts on his guilt or innocence.

The answer from cronin: Yes, I can use the sword killer while in jail.

It seems to me we have no hard evidence of anything in this game. No clear role reveals, or undisputed scans. Unfortunately we have to go by patterns, implications and conjecture. Obviously when we do the target's going to be pissed, or act pissed if they're a traitor, so what can we do?

I'm going to bid on a bodyguard today, I'll put that out there. We don't seem to be able to stop them from getting a swordsman, but I'm hoping we can catch them now that the targets are much fewer.

And Chief, I agree, my energy for analysis has definitely waned. Especially when our power went out this morning and i lost my last batch of data on the game. I've tried looking at the service bid history and haven't learned anything useful. It also seems with our lower numbers we've lost a lot of the active players who helped spur all that analysis. Thanks Narcizo for keeping up with it. I'll try to get the time to pitch in too.

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast get the skinny on what I can do lawyer wise? Obviously, I want to hire Narc to defend me, or I want to hire myself to defend me. Unless, of course, I gain the benefits of the lawyer. Just gimme the options I have, if you don't mind. If I were a peasant, I'd know full well my options. But given my position, I have no idea what I can do/get away with.

I was then told by cronin I that since I'm in jail I can't bid on anyone. I guess I should have done that before I went. He reminded me I have the assassin and I am able to use him to kill somebody.

Then taking a break is probably a good call.

Actually, path, I think I'm done after this game.

Thanks Chief, I remembered that. I just wondered if anyone else had more. Pass arrested him, I believe, but maybe did so for as many reasons as he arrested me.

Sorry, Ardentus but as far as i can see we have to either continue having this same discussion for hte next ten days, or go ahead and execute you. We don't seem able to do much else.

VOTE TO EXECUTE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS

So, here's what I've thought about with the sword kill.

Obviously a revenge kill of Narcizo would be sweet.

I thought about taking out CR for putting me up.

I've thought about using the sword kill on myself so Narcizo wouldn't know if I was good or not in the end. I don't know how that would end up, though. I also decided that would actually benefit the wolves. And I hate the wolves.

I'm pretty sure I won't use the sword killer on either CR or Narc. I'm about 90% on that. I'm not sure who I would use it on, and I'm open to suggestions.

It's a good point by ardent, but I don't know that it eliminates the possibility. That's the sort of second level thinking most of us don't go to. Not saying ardent wouldn't think that far ahead, or not see the possibility (this is were he int he hypothetical he puts out in there), but I'm not sure he would think it enough for peopel to strongly suspect him. At the time, it was a pretty well held consensus that the poisoning was the wolves' automatic kill. If I were in his positon, I'm not sure I would have considered that logical psosibility to be a serious threat in my future potential prosecutions.

So I wouldn't clear ardent of this possibility on that, but it stands him better than he was.

I'm removing you from my will. :)

Unvote to execute Path.
Vote to execute myself.

By the way, I did respond to cronin's last PM if there was any benefit to me being the lawyer again, since he didn't answer that part.

I also asked if there's any way to pass on my wealth. Seems like a lawyer could/would do that.

Well, I'm not annoyed with it in an Ardent sort of way, but yeah, it's always old to defend yourself this late when nobody has bothered to scan you or really come up with any reason except a day 1 event.

And I'm sure not rich any more......haven't been the past couple days thanks to all the lawsuits. But being in jail it's not like I can really bid anyway.

I guess I could try to kill Path, and maybe that would muck up the trial...but I certainly won't do that.

lol...actually we had a mafia heir in the Big City game. We eventually get around to doing everything. ;)

Personally I think that's too bad, but the reasons are certainly evident. I hope you come back at some point.

I really wish I could have played in that big city game. That looked and sounded like a 1000 x of fun.

Who knows? Nothing lasts forever, but I may never be a fan of Narcizo again.:(

I'd love to hear from Narc and CR, though, about what I've talked about with cronin over the past 19 hours.

Thanks for putting up the information from your PMs to st. cronin, although, to be honest, I'm not sure there's anything there we didn't know. We knew you had the use of the sword killer, and that you couldn't bid. And of course with the sword killer, that measn you don't have a lawyer (although that is odd that you can't defend yourself, or so it would suggest). Unless there is something else there, you were driving at. I can get dense at times and miss things (I'm no AlanT).

As for who to use the sword killer. I have put up one suggestion. I think it's fairly obvious.

I really don't think it matters what I say.

Have at it. It's never worried you before. Seriously. Have a take.

Well, frankly Ardent, I'd be happy for you to use that sword on Anxiety, but that's just me. We can't seem to execute him, so it may be the only way.

I'd like to get past this day so we can start looking at other things. I'm going to look through my notes and see what other suspects I can come up with.

Duly noted, I'll go back to look through your posts.

Nevermind, Autumn just reminded me of your earlier post, CR.

Too easy. Anxiety will get the sword unless, of course, Narcizo objects.

Maybe I spoke too soon. I don't want people to plan around that. I rescind that last statement. I'll continue to leave it in the air.

Nightfall.

Not sure this helps, but I'll give it a shot.

I'm going to jail Anxiety unless someone gives me a good reason not to.

Well, Tyrith, I could think of one. I will likely have him killed by the sword.

Anybody who self votes gets an auto vote from me, period, no matter the game state.

unvote path
vote AE

I figured as much. There will be nothing held against you in this regard.

This may be the only WW game where the people managed to kill the enitre circle of trust that was getting established.

True. Too true.

Maybe I'll just go good ol' random.org on the sword kill.

Obviously, I hope you don't do that, although I suppose it's not much worse than how we've done so far. If Anxiety is killed then we can arrest some new suspects and get past this impasse. If he gets bodyguarded or you get sex slaved (there's a new verb), then we'll have a lead on a bad guy.

Tyrus, let me know for sure what you're doing with an arrest, I don't want to both end up arresting the same guy.

I thought there was another about five or six big games back where everyone kept offing a particular CoT that was trying to form........now I'll have to go back and check at some point.

I doubt I get sex slaved in jail. I mean, that would be tres cool, but it probably can't happen.

I just don't want to commit to killing Anxiety, or for that matter Narc, if someone is just going to go out there and guard him.

I just thought of something weird. The duke role kept both guys from being executed, or so we're led to believe. How the heck was I supposed to know that, or anyone for that matter?

How cool would THAT be? Though I just flashed back to Pulp Fiction and maybe I should specify that it depends on who is the slaver....... :eek:

I know I did that the last time I was a bad guy, or at least I tried to do that. That was about this time last year, actually. If you look back, I haven't been a wolf since probably March of last year.

I thought it was awfully late in the game for a duke move. I was confused more than anything else by it -- plus the fact that nobody has fessed up to it.
Lots of strangeness there.

I still haven't seen more than 2 minutes of that movie. I keep wanting to watch it, but never seem to catch it while it's on.

Well yeah, if you're bad I guess it's exactly what you'd like to do. That was it -- it was the superheroes game and I WAS bad. Never got in the CoT but spent a lot of time arguing that people were being put in for bad reasons.

That's a lot easier when you know that there are wolves in there. :)

Ving Rhames is sex slaved by a psychotic hillbilly type. Not good.

Tyrith, can you put in a conditional order to arrest Anxiety, but someone else if Anxiety is dead? I don't remember what kind of conditional orders you can put in. I just don't think we should rely on the sword kill, and not bother with him.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST