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thesloppy 08-19-2024 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3440084)
Interesting you say that, because I just heard her in an interview say that she and others expected an open expedited primary for the nomination, and Biden endorsing Harris killed the plans for that. She quite literally isn't taking credit for the Harris momentum, and placing it squarely on Biden.



Fair enough.

Atocep 08-19-2024 05:56 PM

This is kind of crazy.

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BYU 14 08-19-2024 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3440093)
This is kind of crazy.

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Quite the Rogues gallery

kingfc22 08-19-2024 07:58 PM

Only the best people.

Lathum 08-19-2024 08:38 PM

Unreal how many people have thrown their lives away in servitude of a horrible human being.

Lathum 08-19-2024 09:24 PM

I love Jamie Raskin

Lathum 08-19-2024 10:23 PM

Watching the DNC. It is weird. Ashley Biden really doesn't come across as someone who was molested by her dad in the shower...

JPhillips 08-19-2024 10:30 PM

As a guy who has flown a flag outside every home I've owned, I'm really happy to see Dems own patriotism again.

Lathum 08-19-2024 10:43 PM

Biden killing it. Doing a masterful job of touting the administrations accomplishments while giving Harris credit.

The GOP has to be shitting themselves.

Lathum 08-19-2024 11:01 PM

Joe understood the assignment

stevew 08-20-2024 01:54 AM

Did JD Vance actually ask for Swiss cheese?

Edward64 08-20-2024 05:01 AM

Thank you Joe.

You didn’t want to but you took one for the team, good team player.

CrimsonFox 08-20-2024 06:47 AM

I loved how happy Biden looked. He deserved to be happy after all the shit sandwiches he's been given

CrimsonFox 08-20-2024 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3440085)
You love to see it.


fyp

GrantDawg 08-20-2024 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3440109)
Did JD Vance actually ask for Swiss cheese?



No.




Lathum 08-20-2024 07:37 AM

What’s funny is snowflakes on the right will scream about how dirty the dems are for making this up while spreading rumors that walz drank horse cum.

Ksyrup 08-20-2024 07:39 AM

In all seriousness, it's focusing on non-issues like this that takes away from the real issues. More HarvestApp, less cheesesteak.

Lathum 08-20-2024 08:26 AM

all I have heard from the media since I got up is criticism of how late Biden spoke. They ant another 4 years of Trump so badly they can't even cover it up

Vegas Vic 08-20-2024 08:27 AM

Pretty good first night, overall. I really enjoyed Raskin and Warnock's speeches. Some of the "B" list politicians spoke way too long. They had to cut James Taylor's musical performance out of the program. I guess it was a matter of priorities. It's not like he's a lieutenant governor or anything.

albionmoonlight 08-20-2024 08:40 AM

The universe of voters who (1) care enough to hear Joe Biden's speech that they stayed up for it, but (2) are so mad that it was late that it will affect their vote has to be smaller than 1, right?

albionmoonlight 08-20-2024 08:43 AM

We are a long way from November, but if the Dems end up winning, I think that the GOP is going to look back at this three-week window where they spent a ton of time attacking Walz and less time trying to define Harris pre-convention as a missed opportunity.

CrimsonFox 08-20-2024 08:47 AM

Late means nothing in the world of DVRs

CrimsonFox 08-20-2024 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3440121)
all I have heard from the media since I got up is criticism of how late Biden spoke. They ant another 4 years of Trump so badly they can't even cover it up


it's true. I was boggling last week when the local newscast was airing "a story" about the Bernie Moreno (republican running for senate) rally interviewing people too letting them say how much democrats lie and saying such great things about the rally. it's sickening. I thought newscasts weren't supposed to do that

NobodyHere 08-20-2024 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3440118)
In all seriousness, it's focusing on non-issues like this that takes away from the real issues. More HarvestApp, less cheesesteak.


If Kamala Harris promised every American citizen a free cheese-steak I would vote for her.

albionmoonlight 08-20-2024 09:24 AM

Vance is in that unfortunate Dan Quayle/Hillary Clinton position of everything he says/does being interpreted in the worst possible light.

It's hard to get out of that hole.

CrimsonFox 08-20-2024 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3440128)
Vance is in that unfortunate Dan Quayle/Hillary Clinton position of everything he says/does being interpreted in the worst possible light.

It's hard to get out of that hole.



Passacaglia 08-20-2024 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3439979)
Given the narrative from the right over her economic plan rollout, if he doesn’t go with Commie Kamala, it’s clear that he has advanced dementia. I mean, the parody hit song “Commie Commie Commie Kamala Chameleon” just writes itself, people! (And the chorus works better if you go with the wrestler mispronunciation.)


I wonder if it's too much of a tongue twister for him to say it

miked 08-20-2024 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3440126)
it's true. I was boggling last week when the local newscast was airing "a story" about the Bernie Moreno (republican running for senate) rally interviewing people too letting them say how much democrats lie and saying such great things about the rally. it's sickening. I thought newscasts weren't supposed to do that


There was a John Oliver skit/story that talked about how most of "local" news was purchased by a hard-right media company.

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akoleander 08-20-2024 11:17 AM

Was nice to see Jason Isbell perform at the DNC last night. He is not shy at all about his politics. Can't wait to see him live again next month.

Lathum 08-20-2024 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by akoleander (Post 3440132)
Was nice to see Jason Isbell perform at the DNC last night. He is not shy at all about his politics. Can't wait to see him live again next month.


My wifes cousin is his lighting tech and said he is an awesome guy

Edward64 08-20-2024 12:09 PM

I'm assuming RFK will ask for a Trump cabinet position similar to the reported earlier outreach to Kamala.

Kinda unfortunate that he is compromising his principles to get a cabinet slot. Better to stay a 3rd party candidate and maybe the grassroots will grow (but he is 70 so this may be his last shot).

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/rfk-...-shanahan.html
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The independent presidential campaign of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is considering abandoning his quest for the White House to “join forces” with Republican nominee Donald Trump, Kennedy’s running mate Nicole Shanahan says in a new interview posted online Tuesday.

Shanahan also said the campaign also is considering remaining in the contest to try to win more than 5% of the popular vote and “establish ourselves” as a third-party alternative to the Republican and Democratic parties, and build on that ballot access for the 2028 election.

“There’s two options that we’re looking at and one is staying in, forming that new party, but we run the risk of a Kamala Harris and Walz presidency because we draw votes from Trump, or we draw somehow more votes from Trump,” Shanahan said in the interview on the Impact Theory podcast.

JPhillips 08-20-2024 01:41 PM

He doesn't have any principles.

He's offered to be the Libertarian candidate, the Dem candidate, the Dem VP, a Dem cabinet position, the GOP VP, and a GOP cabinet position. He'll do anything for a hint of power.

Ksyrup 08-20-2024 02:29 PM

He basically did enough to consistently poll for a few percent of the electorate and is now essentially promising one side or the other to swing the election in their favor ... for a favor, of course.

NobodyHere 08-20-2024 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3440147)
He basically did enough to consistently poll for a few percent of the electorate and is now essentially promising one side or the other to swing the election in their favor ... for a favor, of course.


Not sure what he has to promise. I doubt most people are voting for Kennedy because they like Kennedy. They're voting for him because they don't like the two major parties. I bet if Kennedy dropped out the people voting for him would just go to another 3rd party candidate.

Ksyrup 08-20-2024 02:37 PM

Oh I know that, but I'm guessing he's selling that he can persuade them to whichever side gives him what he wants. Not that it's going to happen, although I could definitely see it working with Trump - and for some of the single-issue looneys to vote Trump. Anti-vaxx and Trump go together well, for instance.

RainMaker 08-20-2024 02:41 PM

A lot of the new polls are showing his support has been switching to Harris. Guessing a lot of people just hated both options and now that there is someone without dementia running, they're fine with Harris.

Lathum 08-20-2024 03:18 PM

Not sure Trump would even make that deal. Kennedy is a big enough personality that he could take attention from Trump and he can’t have that.

Swaggs 08-20-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3440148)
Not sure what he has to promise. I doubt most people are voting for Kennedy because they like Kennedy. They're voting for him because they don't like the two major parties. I bet if Kennedy dropped out the people voting for him would just go to another 3rd party candidate.


I think this is most likely. If Kennedy is around 3-5% in the polls right now, the majority of those are protest votes against the two parties and probably not real open for him to sway to one of the establishment candidates. I would imagine that he will be lucky to hit 2% national. A factor going against RFK right now is that he used an address in NY that he doesn't live at to register his candidacy and has been disqualified from New York for falsifying the address, and it is looking like he will lose his place on other states' ballots, too.

By comparison, Gary Johnson was at 10% in multiple polls in in mid-August of 2016 and averaged around 8% in mid-September, but only ended up getting 3.3% overall in the election. He had run in 2012, so had decent name recognition, and he and his VP candidate, Bill Weld, were both former two-term governors with pretty good reputations and were on the Libertarian ticket, so appeared on the ballot on all 50 states + DC. It's hard to envision that RFK is going to do better than those guys did.

RainMaker 08-20-2024 03:35 PM

RFK already tried to get a role in the Trump administration back in June when it looked like he was going to win.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dorsing-trump/

Danny 08-20-2024 03:39 PM

It seems likely that both candidates have info suggesting bringing him on isn't worth the risk.

Lathum 08-20-2024 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3440155)
It seems likely that both candidates have info suggesting bringing him on isn't worth the risk.


Weird that neither party wants the anti vax, brain worm, bear carcass guy who’s own family wants nothing to do with him.

GrantDawg 08-20-2024 04:04 PM

There is also the factor he is openly asking for a cabinet position, and that is illegal to promise. You can wink and nod it, but a straight quid-pro-quo is a no-no. That was supposedly the concern in June that stopped Trump from making the offer on that "perfect phone call."

cartman 08-20-2024 04:50 PM

plus Cabinet picks still have to be confirmed by the Senate

Atocep 08-20-2024 05:04 PM

I also don't think he really has any sway over his supporters. They're not really supporting him because of who he is, but rather who he's not.

RainMaker 08-20-2024 06:21 PM

Trump appearing on Theo Von's podcast is not something I envisioned.

CrimsonFox 08-20-2024 08:41 PM

Go Bernie Go! Love him!

RainMaker 08-20-2024 10:03 PM

Not much for convention speeches but good lord Michelle Obama carved up Trump.

Swaggs 08-21-2024 07:47 AM

Michelle Obama's speech was really, really impressive. I read it was only 21 minutes long, but it was heartfelt and just super concise with messaging.

Pritzker was good, too. I also liked the UAW president the night before.

Lathum 08-21-2024 08:00 AM

Trump is really unraveling before our eyes. I heard a part of his speech in Michigan yesterday and he sounded like he was on his deathbed. I mean, literally that’s how my dad sounded a week before he died. The substance was even worse talking about migrants murdering suburban folks walking across the street to get a loaf of bread. I really can’t imagine anyone other than the die hard voting for this.

CrimsonFox 08-21-2024 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3440175)
Trump is really unraveling before our eyes. I heard a part of his speech in Michigan yesterday and he sounded like he was on his deathbed. I mean, literally that’s how my dad sounded a week before he died. The substance was even worse talking about migrants murdering suburban folks walking across the street to get a loaf of bread. I really can’t imagine anyone other than the die hard voting for this.


That's the commercial I see about Sherrod Brown every time I watch any episode on hulu. That Sherrod Brown (Democratic Ohio senator) is responsible for killing children on a school bus because the driver was an illegal immigrant


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