It's scaring me more about how Ohio's "independents" are ok with segregating, as Dark Cloud put it, "teh gays".

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I'd be interested in seeing what that Uncommited Ohio Voters exactly is.

Biden clearly was added to the ticket for his sex appeal ;)

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Not only that, but the processes used to remove some of the pollutants require energy to run, so you need to burn even more coal because you need more energy.

Give me a break:

Ifill asks if there's a plan for withdrawal for Iraq...

Palin says that Obama has voted against funding the troops, first, and then says because the surge worked, we cannot afford to lose. Which... doesn't answer the question?

Edit: And Biden calls her on it, and refers to the timeline Obama has already called on. Well done.

Grey hair and a balding head is teh super sexah!

Note to Palin: The "white flag of surrender" sound bite they wrote for you wasn't meant to be delivered after an awkward silence and a loud "um".

Wow, on the "white flag" line, the line actually dipped a bunch instead of going up.

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That bar dropped hard from Biden to Palin there.

I LOVE that cartoon!

Palin calls it a white flag. Wow. Just wow. They're never going to put another woman as VP, because this one is going to turn out as bad as Geraldine Ferraro :/

Wow. Biden winning on Iraq. Who'd a thunk it?

great hit back by Biden there on funding for the troops

Not really. There are new technologies coming that can reduce CO2 emissions to 98.7% clean. You guys got to stop thinking that nothing will change in the way the energy (all kinds) is generated. Now is not the place to discuss this since nearly everyone is in silly troll mode.

hey - caribou barbie is just working her soundbites man

Man, Biden keeps getting really high ratings on the CNN poll. Every answer practically is 75% or higher.

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Very noticeable isn't it.

She's caught the "nucular" bug :)

Did she just go "nucular"?

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that's because Biden is fucking awesome

"The Castro Brothers"

Didn't they just release a single?

(I know, but quit harshing my buzz. As a friend and I were talking about, we know we're big nerds because we have a favorite senator and for both of us, it was Biden. Unfortunately, by the time the caucus got to Kansas, he had already dropped out so I couldn't caucus for him :( )

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okay - this is not the thread for this - i'm going to break it into another thread, but the political ass-kissing of the Jewish community is really ridiculous.

honestly, Israel is a shit-ally. WTF do they really do for us? In fact, you could argue they've gotten us into more trouble then they have provided benefit.

and i've felt that way for years. not to insult any jewish-folk on the board, but really...Israel is pretty much a two-bit country in a horrible part of the world that costs us a ton to support (not necessarily strictly financial)

Not sure if it's the camera view or the positioning, but Biden looks to be towering over Palin in this shot (if you can see it)

mile-wide and a foot-deep by Palin. wow.

i always say a sovereign nation that requires the assistance of another nation to exist - does not deserve to exist.

Yes Foz...Binden is actually 2 feet taller. Jeez.

"we will never allow a second holocaust"

Jesus Fuck.

eliminating Israel and allowing Palestine to have their own state would do more to stabilize that region than propping up a weak Jewish state that only serves to antagonize an entire region.

lol, i know.


HOLY SNAPS GOV. PALIN IS A MIDGET!

HA, you know THAT is never going to happen, even if you're 100% right.

What is this live popularity snaking line thing everyone keeps talking about? I'm trying to find it on CNN and I can't. Linky?

And apparently it's 4th and inches

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The anti-defamation league is going to shut down this board.

It's on their debate coverage. If you watch the live coverage, it's on the bottom of the screen.

It would also be in a relatively stable condition for a considerable number of years if it were, just for example, nuked into a black glass wasteland too.

Point being, stability may not be the only goal to consider.

And from that photo, so is his podium.

5 dolla.

That was clever from Palin - "for a party of change in the future you do far too much pointing the finger of blame back"

Didn't get any response from the approval rating though. :rolleyes:

It's unbelieveable.. she had a low expectations barrier and I think she's tripped over that.. How many times has she failed to answer the question AT ALL, never mind completely?

i don't get your point - elaborate. i'm curious where you stand on this.

This is one fugly debate.

Biden has got to stop the deep breath intakes, and the sighs.

I think this is turning out not quite as people expected. At least from what I'm seeing.

-Palin is coming off as ok. Not great, but not bad. Certainly better than her recent interviews. Considering the expectations were "don't run weeping out of the stadium = teh win", she's beaten those.

-Biden has come to play. No stumbling over himself, no horrible foot in mouth (so far). He's been almost perfect- doesn't attack Palin at all, has done great supporting his candidate, has done great showing how good he is. His ratings on CNN constantly run in the 70s and multiple questions have touched over 90.

So what does that mean?

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clearly Biden, in an attempt to alienate a female from the old boys network, is intent on showing "how big his weenie is".

Um... slight contradiction?

I plan on voting for McCain. Truth be told, if Biden was running for president I'd be voting for him instead. You guys are overblowing what in the heck is happening here. First you reference a CNN deal? Come on. You think that's neutral?

Biden is doing exactly what he set out to do and Palin is doing exactly what she set out to do. Neither has made a terrible blunder as of yet, both are getting in nice jabs against their opponents and defending their guy well. Palin has avoided some questions......just as Biden has. She's more than held her own.

She's doing fine. No Couric moments at all.

She's definitely not answering the questions, but neither did Obama or McCain in their debate. Will be interesting to see if the pundits jump on that.

Biden is doing a good job of walking the line -- he's forceful but hasn't bullied her.

aaaah nice partisan attacks there by caribou-barbie on a totally unrelated question

Oh come on he's lying! Not even Obama's is that big.

We invest a lot in Israel, but they provide us with a boatload of technology and research. I had a prof in college who was a Psych prof, a class called sensation and perception, basically said in Israel they got tons of money for night vision and other useful war technology that is in turn supplied to the US. But that's for another conversation, people want to talk about why Palin is talking about Biden's Iraq war vote when it was a question about Darfur.

Biden needs to stop backtracking when he doesn't quite phrase things as he would like. When going up against someone like this, a few tiny missteps that go through won't be remembered.

Say what you will, but Palin makes Biden cringe every time she revisits his previous statements that Obama wasn't experienced enough to be commander in chief.

because she wanted to get her partisan attacks in -- she forgot to get them in when they were talking about Iraq

Old lesson from my radio days said to avoid calling attention to your mistakes like that since most people don't notice & trying to correct them just highlights them.

"John McCain knows how to win a war"

Wait, wasn't he in Vietnam?

Come on he's John MCCAIN...not John RAMBO

didn't he crash his plane...and then get shot down?

Mod: "How would your admin be different"
Joe: "I'd be just like Obama. Here's what I'd do"

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mavericks...mavericks...we get it palin

Shot down in Vietnam? He would have wound up as a POW. I'm sure we would have heard something about that by now.

When she"and heaven bid that would happen" was she referring to an Obama win or his death? :)

Ifill- "What will be your administration be like when you work with the mafia and have your president shot by a lone gun-man?"

I saw a movie once called Maverick. I don't want a guy like the lead character in that movie to be President.

I think the folksy shtick has officially worn off. Every time she goes to the Wasilla or Alaska card, the meter goes down.

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Man if I weren't watching the debate...between DaddyTorgo and SirFoz, I'd think that Binden was the next coming of Jesus Christ for how good he must be doing.

They're gonna out folksy each other. I love it. "I'm more Main Street than you."

Cute.

Did she go Unfrozen Caveman Governor on us?

""It's so obvious that I'm a Washington outsider, and I'm not used to how you guys operate,"



"Your Washington world frightens and confuses me...."

That's a fun movie

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It's nice to hear a politician actually talk about small "c" coservativism, government staying out of people's business, etc. I hope she really believes that. If so, I wonder what she thinks of the last eight years.

Yeah. He is not all that. He is doing a very good job, though.

Say it ain't so, Joe.

Wow, we got a "Say it ain't so, Joe" and a "dog gone it" in one sentence.

Biden actually came to debate. Palin hasn't given a complete answer to more then two questions.

Oh gosh golly gee.

I agree. He is doing well.

Awesome reference :D

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hey - i freely admit i love biden. i was pulling for him in the primaries even though i knew it was a longshot

may never see that again, ever! A Shout out from the VP debate podium.

Foz this isn't just with this debate, it is with every thing you post politically. Some of it is actually relevant, but then you start being borderline childish.

not in the least. when i say "allowing Palestine to have their own state", keep in mind it's not America's land to determine who gets what. it's not our fight. that having been said i think there's more in that region who would rather Israel not existing, and by removing that nation would appease more people and contribute more to peace than all these wasted accords and peace talks. Israel is that annoying twit in the schoolyard with an intimidating Big Brother standing behind him. Israel does not provide us with any valuable resources to make it worthwhile having them as an "ally". funny thing about being an ally, at some point Israel needs to show they can hold up their end of the bargain and can stand next to us in warfare. Britain is an ally. Israel is a mooch.

I just can't in any way, shape or form, imagine this woman as president. I could see Biden. Not her.

Is this the McCain campaign's new theme? "Stop living in the past"? We can't talk about records anymore?

Actually, Israel buys about $3 B from us in arms every year, if I recall the Camp David Accords correctly.

The U.S. is the biggest arms dealer in the world, and also by far the most advanced technologically (not that other nations don't contribute, of course).

When I hear her speak, I want to punch babies.

That shot on Cheney broke the CNN meter.

I've never imagined that I'd actually prefer to hear George W. Bush speak over someone.

Palin is "presentable" so long as she's not talking. At least Dan Quayle got elected to the Senate.

"Putting aside the pitchfork and hooves, what do you think about the current VP's giant throne-like chair?"

Everyone loved the "most dangerous Vice President ever" line.

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Now, this is where I'm supposed to say that she started it, right? Seriously, man. I'm mocking it because it deserves to be mocked. We might not as well have a debate if you show up, decide you're not going to answer the questions put to you by the moderator, and talk about something completely different midstream. This is apparently the only way they could get through Palin through the debate.

LMAO

wow, the VP statements showed a clear cut winner in the VP's role in gov't.

Meanwhile on Spike TV, there is a "debate" underway between Samoa Joe & Sting.

It's quite possible either of them might make a better President than any of the 4 actual candidates/understudies.

I don't think she's painfull. She's mostly funny. She's like character in a Hollywood movie about someone that woke up one morning and became a VP canididate.

LOL

did she just attribute Winthrop's "city on a hill" quotation to Regan?

wowwww

Biden goes to the dead wife card...

"yes, provide us with security that wil cost billions and as a token of our thanks - here's some nifty night vision goggles! YAY!"

I'd love to see Samoa Joe slap a rear naked choke on Ahmadinejad.. now that's foreign policy I can get behind.

Stop saying "maverick". I'm begging you.

Honestly, have you ever seen very many political debates. You just described 95% of the participants.

ROI = Maverick = FAIL