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Edward64 01-19-2021 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3324451)
trump and Melania leave the White House for the last time at 8 am tomorrow morning.


I think he wanted a 21-gun salute? Not sure if that will happen but there should be a crowd shouting "Loser".

Thomkal 01-19-2021 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3324454)
I think he wanted a 21-gun salute? Not sure if that will happen but there should be a crowd shouting "Loser".


I hope there are lawsuit servers and NY state law enforcement on hand.

Edward64 01-19-2021 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3324456)
I hope there are lawsuit servers and NY state law enforcement on hand.


I really do think that Trump won't ever get convicted or impacted too severely by the law. He's got tons of resources, probably a lot of disputable "grey areas", and can prolong it for ever.

The way to "hurt" Trump is to get to the kids & friends. That's what I would be doing if I was AG Hillary Clinton.

Lathum 01-19-2021 10:06 PM

Bannon getting a pardon.

JPhillips 01-19-2021 10:23 PM

Perfect.

For those that don't remember Bannon was accused of fraud for stealing money from MAGA folks. The scam was part of a private build the wall by donations scam.

Nobody has less respect for MAGA followers than do MAGA leaders.

CrimsonFox 01-19-2021 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3324466)
Bannon getting a pardon.


I guess he had another quarter left

CrimsonFox 01-19-2021 11:44 PM

I wonder if he's going to make any "piss off the left" pardons or will it just be pay to play.

RainMaker 01-20-2021 12:30 AM

So most of the pardons are for rich dudes who did a bunch of corrupt shit.

thesloppy 01-20-2021 12:34 AM

"former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick" now that's a name I've not heard in a long, long time...

CrimsonFox 01-20-2021 01:52 AM

lil fucking wayne...

CrimsonFox 01-20-2021 01:53 AM

seems like a lot of gun related pardons then...

But are white terrorists on it?

How about those that took over the Oregon state park? (granted i don't think they ever got arrested)

Edward64 01-20-2021 05:04 AM

It's sweet that Guiliani (prob) won't get pardoned because of his involvement in the Capitol Hill insurrection. Trump is cautious in further PO Congress with the forthcoming Senate trial.

Unlike Guiliani (who I do not believe has served Trump well), Bannon I can appreciate. It was Bannon + Kelly Anne and a couple others that brought Trump to the forefront and then back to life to win 2016.

Ghost Econ 01-20-2021 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3324420)
I am not sure about it hurting the GOP necessarily just because I am not sure about the viability of any third party in the U.S. However, I would like to see the platform.


It's the one they erected outside the Capitol that had the noose.

GrantDawg 01-20-2021 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3324342)

This guy didn't get one, either.

GrantDawg 01-20-2021 06:22 AM


albionmoonlight 01-20-2021 06:22 AM

Starting a viable political third party takes a ton of work and attention to detail. You have to navigate the election laws and procedures of 50 states and the federal government (many of which have been designed by the two parties to make things hard on third parties) as well as build out 50 state party infrastructures, etc.

Hard work and attention to detail are like Kryptonite for Trump.

And what kind of help would he get? He'd be trying to do that with leaders like Bannon who would be stealing from his voters and with foot soldiers who think that Bill Gates is putting microchips into vaccines. Not really the type of people who are going to understand or remember or care about Georgia's arcane signature collection deadlines. They are up for rallies and for storming the Capitol, because that stuff is fun for them. Like a tailgate. But work? Actual hard work? This is MAGA we are talking about.

He wants to be the head of his own party? Sure. I want to run a marathon in under 4 hours. Just because I want to do it does not mean that it will ever happen.

Trump got as far as he did only b/c the GOP powerbrokers let him. If he ever tries to formally oppose them, they will crush him. We'll have a lot of Rudy giving a press conference in front of an abandoned Dairy Queen explaining that this next lawsuit against the Board of Elections is sure to succeed if only the judge will listen to them.

GrantDawg 01-20-2021 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3324487)
Starting a viable political third party takes a ton of work and attention to detail. You have to navigate the election laws and procedures of 50 states and the federal government (many of which have been designed by the two parties to make things hard on third parties) as well as build out 50 state party infrastructures, etc.

Hard work and attention to detail are like Kryptonite for Trump.

And what kind of help would he get? He'd be trying to do that with leaders like Bannon who would be stealing from his voters and with foot soldiers who think that Bill Gates is putting microchips into vaccines. Not really the type of people who are going to understand or remember or care about Georgia's arcane signature collection deadlines. They are up for rallies and for storming the Capitol, because that stuff is fun for them. Like a tailgate. But work? Actual hard work? This is MAGA we are talking about.

He wants to be the head of his own party? Sure. I want to run a marathon in under 4 hours. Just because I want to do it does not mean that it will ever happen.

Trump got as far as he did only b/c the GOP powerbrokers let him. If he ever tries to formally oppose them, they will crush him. We'll have a lot of Rudy giving a press conference in front of an abandoned Dairy Queen explaining that this next lawsuit against the Board of Elections is sure to succeed if only the judge will listen to them.

My counter to that is many if not most states chairs for the GOP are Trumpist. There are people in many states that are already well connected and know the people needed to get ballot access. How many does he pull? How many money people does he get to join? He will definitely have a huge grass-roots money.

miami_fan 01-20-2021 06:57 AM

The presidential pardons and commutations are so interesting to me. The POTUS (no matter what party) campaigns and spends their time in office defending and protecting the criminal justice system and being super tough on crime. Then, in their last act in office, they say that the criminal justice system has committed a wrong that he now has to rectify. No, this conviction should not remain on this person's permanent record. No, it makes no sense to keep someone locked up for life for (insert crime here). Yes it is possible for someone to rehabilitate themselves. All arguments that if they made them during the campaign would make them super weak on crime in the eyes of some end up making them look compassionate in the eyes of those same people at the end.

Ben E Lou 01-20-2021 07:45 AM

Well knock me over with a feather. Trump just wished the next administration great success at his farewell thingy.

(No one cheered.)

Ben E Lou 01-20-2021 07:47 AM

Heh. "We will be back in some form."

Ben E Lou 01-20-2021 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3324503)
Heh. "We will be back in some form."



albionmoonlight 01-20-2021 08:06 AM

I think "if you don't count the jobs we lost, we had the greatest jobs record ever" was my favorite bit.

Thomkal 01-20-2021 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3324502)
Well knock me over with a feather. Trump just wished the next administration great success at his farewell thingy.

(No one cheered.)


Yes he did, but he was already setting up that its because of things he did in his administration that caused the success to happen.

Thomkal 01-20-2021 08:59 AM

I can say this here without risking "family friction" on Facebook: The 4 years of Hell are finally over! Even in his final speech he couldn't talk to the millions who voted against him.

JPhillips 01-20-2021 09:00 AM

Pardon one Marc Rich and cause a firestorm. Pardon 50 Marc Riches and oh, well.

Trump/Bannon really figured out the process with their flood the zone with shit idea.

Thomkal 01-20-2021 09:01 AM

So I've not been following the pardons process too closely-do we think there are "secret" pardons we don't know anything about yet and how would they work?

cuervo72 01-20-2021 09:10 AM

So, going forward. Will there be a library? I guess if there's money he might build himself a shrine, but how many actual records might there be in such a place?

Also, does he get invited to the usual "all former presidents" get-togethers? I guess that might depend on the next week, but to what extent will the other guys tolerate him?

albionmoonlight 01-20-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3324526)
So I've not been following the pardons process too closely-do we think there are "secret" pardons we don't know anything about yet and how would they work?


The law says that pardons should be public.

But most scholars think (and I agree) that the President's constitutional pardon power is broader than that, and that secret pardons are allowed. If you think about it, that power existed before there were any government record keeping laws.

The issue with them would be proving that they were issued. Let's say that the Feds indict Rudy for something that he did during the Trump administration. Then Rudy pulls a secret pardon out of his pocket.

There are two issues: (1) Is this real, or is it something that Rudy drew up himself last week? and (2) if it is real, is it valid?

As to number 2, I think that it would be valid if it were real.

As to number 1, that would be an issue of fact. You could get President Trump to testify that he issued it. Maybe there were other witnesses. Maybe a notary public.

miami_fan 01-20-2021 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3324528)
So, going forward. Will there be a library? I guess if there's money he might build himself a shrine, but how many actual records might there be in such a place?

Also, does he get invited to the usual "all former presidents" get-togethers? I guess that might depend on the next week, but to what extent will the other guys tolerate him?


There will probably be a highway. A highway to...

Florida Rep. Sabatini hopes to rename highway for President Trump

Ksyrup 01-20-2021 09:27 AM

I didn't realize Brian Urlacher's brother was a convicted bookie. Now pardoned.

sterlingice 01-20-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3324532)
There will probably be a highway. A highway to...

Florida Rep. Sabatini hopes to rename highway for President Trump


Is there no more fitting tribute than a highway for Florida Man that runs through a swamp?

SI

JediKooter 01-20-2021 10:07 AM

trump, "I'll be back in some form". It sounds like shitty Terminator fan fiction.

miami_fan 01-20-2021 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3324535)
Is there no more fitting tribute than a highway for Florida Man that runs through a swamp?

SI


Yeah, it is not the most extravagant highway in the state for sure.

AlexB 01-20-2021 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3324532)
There will probably be a highway. A highway to...

Florida Rep. Sabatini hopes to rename highway for President Trump


I really really hope that the governor of Michigan has a sense of humour and names a highway after Trump that goes to this town

Hell, Michigan - Wikipedia

cartman 01-20-2021 10:22 AM

today is the day that Trump finally becomes (ex) Presidential

kingfc22 01-20-2021 10:26 AM

Thank goodness. And just how great has it been since he was banned off of social media?!

Thomkal 01-20-2021 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3324529)
The law says that pardons should be public.

But most scholars think (and I agree) that the President's constitutional pardon power is broader than that, and that secret pardons are allowed. If you think about it, that power existed before there were any government record keeping laws.

The issue with them would be proving that they were issued. Let's say that the Feds indict Rudy for something that he did during the Trump administration. Then Rudy pulls a secret pardon out of his pocket.

There are two issues: (1) Is this real, or is it something that Rudy drew up himself last week? and (2) if it is real, is it valid?

As to number 2, I think that it would be valid if it were real.

As to number 1, that would be an issue of fact. You could get President Trump to testify that he issued it. Maybe there were other witnesses. Maybe a notary public.


Thanks for the explanation, that helps me understand the issue a lot

CarterNMA 01-20-2021 10:49 AM

Damn near every day over the last four years the first thing I did in the morning was check the BBC News homepage hoping a certain evil shithead had shuffled off this mortal coil overnight. Alas, it never came but at least his horrible reign is over. Good riddance, fucktard!

Ghost Econ 01-20-2021 10:54 AM

It's finally officially over!!!!!

Butter 01-20-2021 10:57 AM

I wonder how this is all part of the QAnon plan

Ghost Econ 01-20-2021 10:59 AM

Can we lock this thread and pretend it never happened?

JediKooter 01-20-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3324573)
Can we lock this thread and pretend it never happened?


Oh! I saw that episode of Dallas where Bobby Ewing wakes up and it was all dream.

BYU 14 01-20-2021 11:04 AM

Can we take a moment right now to rejoice that Trump cannot tweet

Edward64 01-20-2021 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3324579)
Can we take a moment right now to rejoice that Trump cannot tweet


I did that several days ago already

molson 01-20-2021 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3324571)
It's finally officially over!!!!!


I just had to take a quick peak at Trump's and Biden's wikipedia pages, and whitehouse.gov, to let it soak in.

Honolulu_Blue 01-20-2021 11:12 AM

Let's close this bitch!

JediKooter 01-20-2021 11:15 AM

Goodbye and good riddance!!

sterlingice 01-20-2021 11:15 AM

Verse 2: Chris Gaines!

SI

molson 01-20-2021 11:18 AM

Where should we post about criminal charges, business failings, morally repugnant activities of the Trump family, etc., here? Or new thread?

Edward64 01-20-2021 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3324589)
Where should we post about criminal charges, business failings, morally repugnant activities of the Trump family, etc., here? Or new thread?


Just not in the Biden or the Coronavirus non-political threads please


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