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stevew 08-03-2022 09:57 AM

They’re going to try the same thing in PA next year. Off cycle primary for only local races with a shitty deceitfully written anti-abortion amendment on the ballot. Can’t wait to see what happens.

SirFozzie 08-03-2022 02:49 PM

Yeah, Jon Stewart is the GOP's Kryptonite it seems. They remember what he did to Tucker Carlson years and years ago (although, like any other cockroach, Carlson has come back from the dead), and no one wants to volunteer to see if Stewart has his "One Punch Man" evisceration skills still.

Stewart before was calling out in a funny way. Now, he's just going to do the metaphorical equivalent of stabbing incessantly.

JPhillips 08-03-2022 04:29 PM

Sounds like Sinema just wants some minor changes that shouldn't keep the IRA from passing.

RainMaker 08-03-2022 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3373910)
Sounds like Sinema just wants some minor changes that shouldn't keep the IRA from passing.


She wants to keep the hedge fund loophole of course.

JPhillips 08-03-2022 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373912)
She wants to keep the hedge fund loophole of course.


Yeah, it's ridiculous, but it won't stop the bill.

JPhillips 08-04-2022 07:43 PM

dola

I'm in St. Augustine this week and it's interesting how the GOP primaries are all about who will best please DeSantis. Every commercial is about how much he does or doesn't like the candidate.

Flasch186 08-04-2022 08:07 PM

So you saw that electrical storm the other night?


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RainMaker 08-04-2022 08:18 PM

Bribing Senators pays off for hedge funds.


albionmoonlight 08-04-2022 08:31 PM

I'm happy that they made a deal. But it's kind of weird that they didn't put them both in a room to work all this out in the first place.

Whatever. One step closer to a good law passing. Not as good as it could be. But good.

RainMaker 08-04-2022 08:36 PM

This is actually a good idea.


GrantDawg 08-04-2022 08:40 PM

I just saw that and immediately thought of you, Rainmaker. Thought you might like that.

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JPhillips 08-04-2022 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 3373987)
So you saw that electrical storm the other night?


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Yeah. At one point my wife's face lit up and I said what happened and she said the whole sky lit up behind me.

stevew 08-04-2022 09:08 PM

Am I going to get a rebate for the Chevrolet electric car I bought last month? GM was out of rebates previously

Lathum 08-05-2022 08:42 AM

These people are sick and I'm pretty sure they royally fucked up...


Ksyrup 08-05-2022 08:56 AM

"Can you rephrase the question?"

"Can you provide a definition of 'failing to thrive' where the fetus is perfectly fine so I can provide an easy answer?"

"Can you use it in a sentence I can easily respond to?"

Atocep 08-05-2022 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3374022)
"Can you rephrase the question?"

"Can you provide a definition of 'failing to thrive' where the fetus is perfectly fine so I can provide an easy answer?"

"Can you use it in a sentence I can easily respond to?"


"Lastly, could you provide an opening for me to vaguely bring god into this and use as an answer?"

flere-imsaho 08-05-2022 10:31 AM

Re: Kansas referendum

After reading a bunch of analyses on the topic, the conclusion I'm coming to is that it turns out that an outright ban was the tipping point to make people sit up and notice.

Prior to Dobbs you had plenty of polls indicating that abortion rights just weren't the highest-importance issue for a large part of the electorate, including Democrats. The polling we're seeing after Dobbs, however, has very much changed. It's charged up Democrats and shifted opinions among Independents and even a small cadre of Republicans.

Which probably shouldn't be surprising given human nature and the fact that a lot of Americans really don't pay that much attention to political minutae.

On the first point, I'd posit that for most folks there's a difference between rights being restricted and rights being abolished. As long as the GOP was mainly doing the former, a lot of people couldn't bother themselves to care too much.

On the second point, I'd guess a huge number of Americans didn't really understand how GOP legislatures were restricting abortion access so dramatically. But then you have a huge news story like Dobbs and it suddenly hits home.

It remains to be seen if this carries Democrats home in this fall's mid-term election cycle, but the Kansas result (which included unprecedented turnout and huge voter registration numbers) definitely surprised a lot of people who watch this kind of thing professionally.

Ksyrup 08-05-2022 10:57 AM

I thought this was an interesting analysis of the ads that ran in Kansas:


albionmoonlight 08-05-2022 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3374027)
Re: Kansas referendum

After reading a bunch of analyses on the topic, the conclusion I'm coming to is that it turns out that an outright ban was the tipping point to make people sit up and notice.

Prior to Dobbs you had plenty of polls indicating that abortion rights just weren't the highest-importance issue for a large part of the electorate, including Democrats. The polling we're seeing after Dobbs, however, has very much changed. It's charged up Democrats and shifted opinions among Independents and even a small cadre of Republicans.

Which probably shouldn't be surprising given human nature and the fact that a lot of Americans really don't pay that much attention to political minutae.

On the first point, I'd posit that for most folks there's a difference between rights being restricted and rights being abolished. As long as the GOP was mainly doing the former, a lot of people couldn't bother themselves to care too much.

On the second point, I'd guess a huge number of Americans didn't really understand how GOP legislatures were restricting abortion access so dramatically. But then you have a huge news story like Dobbs and it suddenly hits home.

It remains to be seen if this carries Democrats home in this fall's mid-term election cycle, but the Kansas result (which included unprecedented turnout and huge voter registration numbers) definitely surprised a lot of people who watch this kind of thing professionally.


It puts the GOP in a tough position. True pro-lifers believe that abortion is the murder of a child. So it makes sense that they wouldn't allow any exceptions to an anti-abortion law. And they will demand that purity of their GOP reps.

But that puts them at odds with the majority of voters.

If the GOP could pass a law that says something like "Abortion is illegal unless a doctor certifies that it would be in the medical best interest of the mother," that would completely undercut the parade of horribles that the Dems are using to motivate voters.

But a true pro-lifer would never accept that law b/c it would, in their view, allow some otherwise preventable murders.

flere-imsaho 08-05-2022 11:08 AM

Yeah, hopefully this will be the kind of thing that hoists the GOP by its own petard.

The analysis I read on 538 pointed out that the % of the electorate who is for abortion being illegal in ALL cases is very small. So basically Dobbs just might have been the straw that broke the camel's back. A majority of the electorate is OK with restrictions, decidedly NOT OK with illegal-no-exceptions.

Ksyrup 08-05-2022 11:17 AM

If you read the ad analysis, it's interesting that they ran a mix of ads highlighting the extreme (no exceptions for rape, incest, etc.) and anti-government mandate messaging. Theoretically, some of the anti-mandate stuff may have pulled from the GOP support, likely those who may not view the abortion issue on strictly religious terms.

GrantDawg 08-05-2022 02:01 PM

Senator Warnock is saying that his $35 cap on insulin is in the bill. That really is huge.

albionmoonlight 08-05-2022 02:58 PM

https://twitter.com/chuckgrassley/st...ATUaOmOkL_B0FA

I am not kidding when I say that I respect the level of IDGAF it takes to say “put Republicans back in charge because Mitch McConnell does not mess with my vacation schedule.” Respect.

GrantDawg 08-05-2022 03:08 PM

Things that make you go "hmmmmmm..."

SirFozzie 08-05-2022 03:09 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ort-july-2022/

what in the actual fuck is going on with the economy? Good/bad, whatever

RainMaker 08-05-2022 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3374061)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ort-july-2022/

what in the actual fuck is going on with the economy? Good/bad, whatever


It seems to be doing decent for the average worker which is making economists and rich people incredibly mad because it's leading to an increase in wages.

RainMaker 08-05-2022 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3374060)
Things that make you go "hmmmmmm..."



I don't think she is making those decisions. Someone joked that you should just negotiate directly with the lobbyists who are giving her money and save the time.


flere-imsaho 08-05-2022 03:25 PM

That's not a joke, that's reality.

Thomkal 08-05-2022 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3374059)
https://twitter.com/chuckgrassley/st...ATUaOmOkL_B0FA

I am not kidding when I say that I respect the level of IDGAF it takes to say “put Republicans back in charge because Mitch McConnell does not mess with my vacation schedule.” Respect.



Retire right now Chuck and you can have all the reunions you want for what's left of your life.

sterlingice 08-05-2022 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3374027)
Re: Kansas referendum

After reading a bunch of analyses on the topic, the conclusion I'm coming to is that it turns out that an outright ban was the tipping point to make people sit up and notice.

Prior to Dobbs you had plenty of polls indicating that abortion rights just weren't the highest-importance issue for a large part of the electorate, including Democrats. The polling we're seeing after Dobbs, however, has very much changed. It's charged up Democrats and shifted opinions among Independents and even a small cadre of Republicans.

Which probably shouldn't be surprising given human nature and the fact that a lot of Americans really don't pay that much attention to political minutae.

On the first point, I'd posit that for most folks there's a difference between rights being restricted and rights being abolished. As long as the GOP was mainly doing the former, a lot of people couldn't bother themselves to care too much.

On the second point, I'd guess a huge number of Americans didn't really understand how GOP legislatures were restricting abortion access so dramatically. But then you have a huge news story like Dobbs and it suddenly hits home.

It remains to be seen if this carries Democrats home in this fall's mid-term election cycle, but the Kansas result (which included unprecedented turnout and huge voter registration numbers) definitely surprised a lot of people who watch this kind of thing professionally.


That's why Roberts was always content to just keep grinding away abortion rights with things like limited bans and more procedural stuff like admitting privileges that really stops abortions but requires paying attention to the details

SI

SirFozzie 08-06-2022 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3374089)
That's why Roberts was always content to just keep grinding away abortion rights with things like limited bans and more procedural stuff like admitting privileges that really stops abortions but requires paying attention to the details

SI


Brings to the mind the old saw about boiling a frog. If you do it slow enough, the frog never notices its danger until it's too late to hop out. If you turn up the heat too fast, the frog will instantly jump out. And in this case, the frog (being women and folks who support theoretical abortions, even if it with some restrictions) jumped out and realized that yeah, they're not interested in degree. It's right and wrong to them.)

RainMaker 08-06-2022 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3374059)
https://twitter.com/chuckgrassley/st...ATUaOmOkL_B0FA

I am not kidding when I say that I respect the level of IDGAF it takes to say “put Republicans back in charge because Mitch McConnell does not mess with my vacation schedule.” Respect.


Remember when Chris Coons decided not to call witnesses during the impeachment trial because he wanted to get home for Valentine's Day?

GrantDawg 08-07-2022 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3374052)
Senator Warnock is saying that his $35 cap on insulin is in the bill. That really is huge.

The is still in, but the f-ing parliamentarian has ruled it doesn't fit reconciliation. So the Democrats are forcing the Republicans to vote it out of the bill. It looks like they will. Republicans will never miss the chance to stand in the way of anything that will benefit the poor.

Edward64 08-07-2022 09:15 AM

Insulin has been around a while and don't really understand why there are not generics to lower the cost.

I know pharma's will tweak formulas to extend their patents but assume 2022 - 20 years insulin formula still works well.

I'm guessing this problem exists for numerous other drugs.

So how about the government provide incentives for generic companies to expand their portfolios, or to increase number of generic companies. You'd think this will save on Medicare and Obamacare costs also.

PilotMan 08-07-2022 10:32 AM

better to incentivize, dictate, or just let full free market capitalism decide?

In this case....with a life saving drug that certain people are required to have....dictate.

GrantDawg 08-07-2022 10:37 AM

Sure enough, the Republicans blocked it though it was only three votes short of breaking the filibuster. Mit Romney once again proves he is a POS.

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PilotMan 08-07-2022 11:43 AM

I really think that the R's just go around and draw short straws to see who will put in some token votes, and who will vote against, just so it looks like it was sort of supported by some, but ultimately opposed in general. Like you can't tell me Hawley wanted to support that part of the bill.

sterlingice 08-07-2022 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3374131)
I really think that the R's just go around and draw short straws to see who will put in some token votes, and who will vote against, just so it looks like it was sort of supported by some, but ultimately opposed in general. Like you can't tell me Hawley wanted to support that part of the bill.


This is one I'm perfectly happy to Both Sides. That has happened for a long time on both the Dem and GOP side - like Lieberman took the fall for the Public Option but if it wasn't him, it was going to be Max Baucus or someone else who was highly paid by the insurance industry. For the longest time John McCain (Lindsay Graham, too) was allowed to be the "maverick" vote on so many things that didn't matter - though I think his thumbs down vote on the ACA repeal was personal and not planned.

SI

SirFozzie 08-07-2022 12:59 PM

At least the insulin cap is still in on the medicare side.

GrantDawg 08-07-2022 01:52 PM

Except a lot of people won't live to get Medicare because if this bill.

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RainMaker 08-07-2022 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3374121)
Insulin has been around a while and don't really understand why there are not generics to lower the cost.

I know pharma's will tweak formulas to extend their patents but assume 2022 - 20 years insulin formula still works well.

I'm guessing this problem exists for numerous other drugs.

So how about the government provide incentives for generic companies to expand their portfolios, or to increase number of generic companies. You'd think this will save on Medicare and Obamacare costs also.


Only 3 companies make it and they have banded together as a cartel to fix the price. It is also illegal to import it from other countries so there is no competition.

stevew 08-07-2022 03:20 PM

Can’t they just declare diabetes a public health emergency and bypass a lot of the pricing rules? I also read something about how an off label monkey pox treatment requires a 27 page application and that type of stuff is total nonsense.

Ksyrup 08-07-2022 03:37 PM

Legislative cosplay is all it is.


Edward64 08-07-2022 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3374127)
better to incentivize, dictate, or just let full free market capitalism decide?

In this case....with a life saving drug that certain people are required to have....dictate.


My preference is incent. Assuming we can break from the special interests & lobbyists, I can see a heavily subsidized generics industry really help bring costs down with the most popular drugs (after the 20 year patent wears off).

I don't think it'll necessarily help with less (currently) impactful diseases like Monkey Pox though.

RainMaker 08-07-2022 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3374151)
Can’t they just declare diabetes a public health emergency and bypass a lot of the pricing rules? I also read something about how an off label monkey pox treatment requires a 27 page application and that type of stuff is total nonsense.


Yes, they can do that. They can also starting importing it from overseas and flood the market with it.

Atocep 08-07-2022 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3374153)
Legislative cosplay is all it is.


Can't have dems getting credit for saving lives with their legislation this close to mid terms.

RainMaker 08-07-2022 07:46 PM


Atocep 08-07-2022 07:57 PM

Conservatives are countering the obstruction to the insulin price cap by attacking Biden for killing the EO that Trump issued that would have put a cap on insulin prices.

The key difference is the Trump EO would have had almost zero impact at all. It was only for very low income families that are seen at Federally Qualified Health Centers. Only about 9% of people in the country are seen at a FQHC and then you factor in the fact that you would have had to make 350% under the federal poverty line and it was an EO that wasn't really going to help anyone.

However, when presented with something that would have helped with insulin prices the pro life party made sure it didn't succeed.

GrantDawg 08-08-2022 06:27 AM

Reading through all of the proposed amendments, Republicans really didn't want that IRS expansion to go through. They also tried really hard to ram through that SALT cap for at least one year. That would mostlt screw people in Blue states, plus could be called a middle class tax increase.

JPhillips 08-09-2022 08:48 PM

I don't know enough about the district to predict anything, but the primary for Ilhan Omar is surprisingly tight right now.

JPhillips 08-10-2022 07:37 AM

Inflation's over.

I'm sure it isn't, but the CPI came in at 0.0 for July. I hope nobody here was betting on another .75 rate hike.

albionmoonlight 08-10-2022 07:39 AM

Well the Inflation Reduction Act certainly worked fast. They haven't even passed it yet and they already got it down to zero :-)

Edward64 08-12-2022 05:36 PM

Congrats Joe (and Schumer, Pelosi).

Too bad everyone else is too busy talking about the other stuff. Great win and potentially/probably the domestic landmark for what your admin will be remembered for (unless you get a chance to replace 2 Supremes in the next 2 or 6 years).

Quote:

The House of Representatives voted Friday to pass Democrats' $750 billion health care, energy and climate bill, in a significant victory for President Joe Biden and his party.

The final vote was 220-207, along party lines. Four Republicans did not vote.
Now that the Democratic-controlled House has approved the bill, it will next go to Biden to be signed into law.

Lathum 08-15-2022 03:48 PM

Jim Jordan is going to be speaker of the house, isn't he?

GrantDawg 08-16-2022 06:56 AM

These are some crazy numbers, even crazier when you think this is the total registered voters in an entire state. Two Senators for less than 300k registered voters.

cuervo72 08-16-2022 07:51 AM

If we're not going to change the 2 sen/1 state thing, we might really look at how we define states. It's not like you can't redefine them, other countries reorganize every now and then (thinking France, India at the least). Heck, WV.

Probably can't "unstate" a place (really, is there any reason half the NW shouldn't just be one big state?) but I'm not sure there's a reason outside of a political one why we can't have more of them.

As I've said to YD (who has ties to WY), it's pretty silly when you can have a state with 600,000 people, but then LA county has 10M. Which is a more important position, governor of the former or commissioner of the latter?

flere-imsaho 08-16-2022 08:44 AM

My favorite solution would be to just abolish the Senate and switch the House to a PR-vote with party lists, neatly doing away with all the negatives we have by having a) states and b) districts.

But another fun option would be to just give every state that has a population greater than the median state (Louisiana) an extra senator per million population over the median state, which would end up giving you:

Louisiana: 0
Alabama: 0
South Carolina: 0
Minnesota: 1
Colorado: 1
Wisconsin: 1
Maryland: 1
Missouri: 1
Indiana: 2
Tennessee: 2
Massachusetts: 2
Arizona: 2
Washington: 3
Virginia: 4
New Jersey: 4
Michigan: 4
North Carolina: 4
Georgia: 5
Ohio: 6
Illinois: 7
Pennsylvania: 7
New York: 14
Florida: 16
Texas: 21
California: 31

68

29

42

larrymcg421 08-16-2022 09:53 AM

The Senate will never get fixed because it would require every state to sign off and there's no advantage for Wyoming to do so.

Ksyrup 08-16-2022 12:33 PM

This new rule regarding OTC availability of hearing aids for mild hearing loss is big. It's one of those things that makes so much sense, you wonder why it took this long to happen. It seems like the hearing equivalent to being able to buy readers in the store, while more severe issues still require a prescription.

JPhillips 08-16-2022 01:28 PM

There's a lot for Dems to learn from in the Fetterman campaign. While the specific issue, Oz being from NJ, isn't replicable, the idea of refusing to fight on GOP terms and always turning things back to the ground that is more favorable is. The way they've taken Oz's inflation attack and turned it into yet another example of Oz being out of touch is brilliant.

sterlingice 08-16-2022 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3374929)
There's a lot for Dems to learn from in the Fetterman campaign. While the specific issue, Oz being from NJ, isn't replicable, the idea of refusing to fight on GOP terms and always turning things back to the ground that is more favorable is. The way they've taken Oz's inflation attack and turned it into yet another example of Oz being out of touch is brilliant.


I've really liked Fetterman since I started seeing some about him a couple of years ago. Maybe he can't stand up to national scrutiny or maybe he doesn't have national political chops, but it seems like he has a story and local political ability that should be able to catapult him onto the national Democratic stage as a strong voice for working class Rust Belt voters (ala the Joe Biden coalition). It's not like the Dems have a deep bench right now so they should be doing everything they can to amplify his voice.

SI

stevew 08-16-2022 01:51 PM

I’m going to vote for Fetterman regardless, but Oz’s attack on Fetterman being propped up by his rich father through his 40s is a decent weak spot.

stevew 08-16-2022 01:54 PM

I feel like Tim Ryan should be winning by 5-10 points but he’ll probably get killed. JD Vance’s fake rehab centers is an issue that should piss off people.

Ryche 08-16-2022 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3374932)
I’m going to vote for Fetterman regardless, but Oz’s attack on Fetterman being propped up by his rich father through his 40s is a decent weak spot.


Maybe but there's a big difference between using privilege to actively helping your community like Fetterman was doing as opposed to being a spoiled brat who contributes nothing like some in his circumstance.

RainMaker 08-16-2022 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3374916)
The Senate will never get fixed because it would require every state to sign off and there's no advantage for Wyoming to do so.


Give a choice. Either reform it or start adding new states.

Ksyrup 08-16-2022 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3374932)
I’m going to vote for Fetterman regardless, but Oz’s attack on Fetterman being propped up by his rich father through his 40s is a decent weak spot.


Oz is such a bad candidate, he got a grocery store to post shit about him and endorse Fetterman.

kingfc22 08-16-2022 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3374942)
Give a choice. Either reform it or start adding new states.


Yep. Just add DC.

Swaggs 08-16-2022 04:28 PM

It is still curious to me why Biden and the Dems are not placing more blame on Trump refusing to have a peaceful transition of power for their problems.

Ksyrup 08-16-2022 05:27 PM

That look! And he held it until Manchin looked at him. Ha!


Atocep 08-17-2022 03:03 PM

The RNC has started canceling Senate ads in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

sterlingice 08-17-2022 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3375031)
The RNC has started canceling Senate ads in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.


Wait- what? Um.. why?
2022 Senate Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight

538 has all those races really close and we're months out from the election.

SI

Atocep 08-17-2022 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3375039)
Wait- what? Um.. why?
2022 Senate Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight

538 has all those races really close and we're months out from the election.

SI


Sounds like the GOP is having fundraising issues.

GOP Senate Campaign Arm Is Pulling Ads in Three Key Races - Rolling Stone

People are mostly donating to Trump and he isn't exactly generous with his money. I still don't understand why they are so firmly behind a guy that's lost the popular vote twice, lost the house, lost the Senate, and stands to keep them from winning the Senate back and will likely make the house closer than it should be for the GOP. Take away the Trump name and he's a huge failure as a politician in nearly every measurable way.

Lathum 08-17-2022 04:36 PM

How do they get away from him though?

RainMaker 08-17-2022 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3375039)
Wait- what? Um.. why?
2022 Senate Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight

538 has all those races really close and we're months out from the election.

SI


I think that forecast goes out a ways and has results from before the primary was decided. Don't know about Wisconsin, but recent polls have Fetterman and Kelly up quite big.

I'm guessing they have better polling than we have access to, but Oz seems to be sinking every day and Masters is about as extreme a candidate we've ever had run for Senate.

albionmoonlight 08-17-2022 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3375040)
Sounds like the GOP is having fundraising issues.

GOP Senate Campaign Arm Is Pulling Ads in Three Key Races - Rolling Stone

People are mostly donating to Trump and he isn't exactly generous with his money. I still don't understand why they are so firmly behind a guy that's lost the popular vote twice, lost the house, lost the Senate, and stands to keep them from winning the Senate back and will likely make the house closer than it should be for the GOP. Take away the Trump name and he's a huge failure as a politician in nearly every measurable way.


They like his policies.

Atocep 08-18-2022 01:00 AM

GOP Lawmaker Chokes up Over Teen Affected by Abortion Ban He Voted for

This is the shit they've signed up for.

CrimsonFox 08-18-2022 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3374958)
That look! And he held it until Manchin looked at him. Ha!



LMFAO priceless!

PilotMan 08-18-2022 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3374954)
It is still curious to me why Biden and the Dems are not placing more blame on Trump refusing to have a peaceful transition of power for their problems.


The reasoning is so when the Justice department hands down charges and people start getting arrested they aren't part of the equation. If trump was in office he would already be asking Barr for their public executions. I agree that a bit more public pressure would be better than playing the "We'll see " game.

PilotMan 08-18-2022 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3375065)


100% this shit is only starting. Fuck that guy. He really ought to grovel , in person, to this 19 yr old woman, at her feet, while she passes the baby, in a toilet, on the floor of the House.

Lathum 08-18-2022 08:35 AM

There is also the girl in I believe Louisiana whose unborn baby has no skull and she is being forced to deliver.

Izulde 08-18-2022 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3374923)
This new rule regarding OTC availability of hearing aids for mild hearing loss is big. It's one of those things that makes so much sense, you wonder why it took this long to happen. It seems like the hearing equivalent to being able to buy readers in the store, while more severe issues still require a prescription.


Not as big as you might think. Limited power range (only for mild to moderate) and, more importantly, the physical fit isn't customized for the individual customer - making them even less effective. Nor will it benefit most hard-of-hearing individuals - the majority of them have hearing loss outside those boundaries.

Ksyrup 08-18-2022 09:05 AM

Yeah, like readers.

I think I fall into the category of people this would help. My wife's been bugging me for years to get my hearing checked and my response has always been - "Why? I know I have hearing problems and all they're going to do is try to get me to buy some expensive hearing aid that I won't wear enough to justify the cost." But if I can go to a local store and try one out, I might consider using it with a minor financial commitment.

Edward64 08-18-2022 09:13 AM

I've got tinnitus on my left ear. It's like background static. It sucks but just have to live with it.

Sweed 08-18-2022 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3375065)


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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3375095)
100% this shit is only starting. Fuck that guy. He really ought to grovel , in person, to this 19 yr old woman, at her feet, while she passes the baby, in a toilet, on the floor of the House.


Maybe he could also vote on the current bill they are considering instead of abstaining.

The words spewing from his mouth mean nothing. But at least, by abstaining, he'll be able to sleep knowing he's done "the right thing". What a worthless piece of shit.

Lathum 08-18-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3375107)
Yeah, like readers.

I think I fall into the category of people this would help. My wife's been bugging me for years to get my hearing checked and my response has always been - "Why? I know I have hearing problems and all they're going to do is try to get me to buy some expensive hearing aid that I won't wear enough to justify the cost." But if I can go to a local store and try one out, I might consider using it with a minor financial commitment.


This is me. I actually got tested and it was determined I need them, but the doctor said as long as it wasn't effecting my life I could wait on them. They were about 7K so I was like, yeah, I can wait. If I can get a paid for a couple hundred and just have them at the house I would do it.

flere-imsaho 08-19-2022 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3375107)
My wife's been bugging me for years to get my hearing checked and my response has always been - "Why?


Missed a golden opportunity there to respond with "What?"

Edward64 08-20-2022 06:43 AM

My wife, daughter and I got "request for absentee ballots" in the mail yesterday. Cover note said I was "above average" in voting.

I guess this is good to encourage get out the vote.

flere-imsaho 08-20-2022 08:54 AM

Depending on where you live, you may want to check that those are legitimately from your an actual government agency, and not a nefarious organization looking to confuse you into suppressing your vote.

Edward64 08-20-2022 09:13 AM

Good point. It does look official to me but was kinda surprised getting them (but then I don't get AJC paper or digital anymore to keep up with local news consistently).

I've always voted in person except one time when I got absentee because I was going to be at a conference.

Anyone else in GA get them?

GrantDawg 08-20-2022 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3375351)
Good point. It does look official to me but was kinda surprised getting them (but then I don't get AJC paper or digital anymore to keep up with local news consistently).

I've always voted in person except one time when I got absentee because I was going to be at a conference.

Anyone else in GA get them?

I haven't. I don't even think I did for the primaries. Are they even still legal to send out after that last voter law?

Ryche 08-20-2022 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3375330)
My wife, daughter and I got "request for absentee ballots" in the mail yesterday. Cover note said I was "above average" in voting.

I guess this is good to encourage get out the vote.


That above average part would never be in something from election officials.

Edward64 08-20-2022 07:24 PM

Yeah, I was wondering about that statement.

I tossed them. I'll monitor AJC and see what's going on.

flere-imsaho 08-21-2022 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryche (Post 3375391)
That above average part would never be in something from election officials.


Well, unless you were from Lake Woebegone.

albionmoonlight 08-23-2022 07:10 AM



Suspending teachers for making students aware of a library.

And tens of millions of Americans are going to cheerfully vote for more of this in a few months while non-ironically saying words like "liberty" and "freedom."

PilotMan 08-23-2022 07:45 AM

If you are happy that your political choice also happens to be the preferred choice of white supremacists and both of you are talking about Christian nationalism and replacement theory in your party meetings that really, really ought to give you some pause, unless you're cool with them in your party and if that's the case, just call your party (and yourself) what it is.

Ksyrup 08-23-2022 07:46 AM

I fear for my daughter who is just starting out life as an elementary school teacher in KY. One false move and her career is at least temporarily derailed.

She's also pursuing a masters in curriculum and I'm not sure that's the best option. Seems like those are the people who will have the bullseye on them for creating "woke" agendas.

Edward64 08-23-2022 08:04 AM

Some articles on Biden's forthcoming decision on student loan forgiveness and (arguably) impact on inflation.

I'm thinking it'll be capped at $10K (which is consistent with what Biden has campaigned on). A May WP article said possible cost of $230B. I do think this will be negative overall re: inflation.

As a compromise, I'm hoping he'll continue to freeze student loan repayments for now but not commit to forgiveness. Tell it as it is "I want to help you but this will add to inflation, so we will revisit this after inflation is beat".

Lathum 08-23-2022 08:08 AM

My Brother in law, whom I have referenced before, is super high up in banking. Almost ceo level. Thinks student loan forgiveness would be the best stimulus we could have for the economy.

Edward64 08-23-2022 08:11 AM

I get it's a stimulus (e.g. more money to be spent in the economy) but is it really wise during times of high inflation.

As him if he is factoring inflation? I would like to hear his POV.

albionmoonlight 08-23-2022 08:35 AM

Beat approach I've heard politically:

1, Forgive $10k for those making under $125k
2. Extend the freeze through February 2023
3. Say that a real legislative solution is required that also focuses on reducing costs going forward, and you look forward to working with Congress on crafting one.

That basically doesn't piss off the anti-forgiveness crowd too much, but it also gives a little sugar to the debt holders AND gives them a reason to come out in November.

Don't know if that's the best policy, but it is smart politics.


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