I think Graham realizes he fucked up pretty badly trying to interfere in Georgia. He's now saying Biden should start receiving Intel briefings.

This is one of those good news, bad news things. Fox News getting what they deserve, but people are just going to even more unhinged, extreme "news" outlets, so we're just trading one problem for a potentially worse one.

BREAKING: Fox Ratings out, and it's bad. Real bad.

Cavuto: ��Down 52%
Ingraham: �� Down 45%
Fox & Friends: �� Down 45%
Hannity: �� Down 39%
Carlson: �� Down 33%

— Major Patriot (@MajorPatriot) November 18, 2020

EDIT: Reading some of the comments to this, I swear they were all a parody, but it's not. These people are nuts.

Their praise for Hannity and Carlson is downright scary, and disdain for Cavuto who is the only actual journalist other than Wallace is scary. They really are too stupid to realize Carlson couldn't care less about them and he just spoon feeds them shit so they line his pockets.

Serenity Now

I appreciate Bill not sticking to sports.

Sounds like that 'he'll never do that' scenario where he tries to run out the clock past the certification deadlines and has the legislature hijack democracy and elect their own electors is coming to fruition within the WH's halls. This is the grossest attack on our democracy yet. The drip drip drip over the last 4 years undermining our institutions and breaking down the fabric of our democracy has been explained away by the authenticity of the culprits. This is literally just an attack on the big D and if supported by the GOP then I would argue that the GOP centrists and rationals ought to break away and create the 3rd party we've all wanted.

They can try, but it won't work. One, several legislatures have already said they won't do it (or are prevented by state law from doing it), and two, he needs several states for it to work. If this was a 2000 scenario that came down to a razor-thin margin in 1 state, I'd already write off the election as Trump winning, but there are too many moving parts for him to pull this off this time, thankfully.

I just think the blowback in each of these states would be too great, and each of them has to take a leap of faith that the others are going to follow through and have clear legal grounds to do it, otherwise you've just essentially thrown the Constitution into the garbage, only to have to apologize, pull it back out again, dust it off, and re-frame it. I don't see it happening.

They've already 'thrown' so much on the trash heap...in Mich. They literally just did that but relented. Who knows why? They're working on it and all I can hope for is that somewhere someone in the GOP says you know what, Trump you can have the TOP but we're starting the GOP.

I agree and people saying it will never be successful remind we of the stories a
From history books on the Weimar Republic days before Hitler took power. We need to wake the fuck up . The Ds need to get more aggressive in the Congress and Senate to voice outrage and if progressives want to get pisseed off this would be a great time to get out to the streets protesting at the WH gates to send the message this is not going to happen here in America.....that all being said this all will not happen and we are likely sad to say going to wake with Trump as prez still in 6 months.

Even if it was just one state, I just don't buy that Kavanaugh and Roberts would go along with that. Article II gives state legislatures the power to deterrmine the manner in which electors are selected, but there's no reasonable reading of that clause that allows them to make an ex post facto change of the manner they've already selected.

This will probably never come to fruition, but moderate republicans and conservative democrats could build a coalition that would be supported by a significant portion of the population. The closest I've seen that happen is the Johnson/Weld ticket in 2016. Although they ran on the Libertarian ticket, they were essentially moderate republicans who had previously won their gubernatorial re-election bids in landslides in traditionally democrat states (New Mexico and Massachusetts).

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Our fellow citizens and neighbors.

https://abc7chicago.com/disturbing-n...ernor/8079861/

These guys make a real strong argument for the death penalty. Hopefully nobody involved will ever see freedom again.

They’ll get pardons from Trump.

“Law and Order”

You could argue that coalition just won the white house.

State crime so don't think he can pardon them.

Perhaps on the socially liberal side, but most definitely not on the fiscally conservative side. I don’t recall the Biden/Harris ticket campaigning on smaller, more efficient government.

Rules don't seem to apply these days.

Can you legally commit treason against an individual state? Or is treason just a federal crime?

I agree that Roberts won't, but Kavanuagh has already suggested he might. I think there is a decent chance that Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas and Barret might. Gorsuch would be the questionable one.

I guess it gets into a bit of semantics, but fiscal conservatism means assuring that outlays are covered by current income. Current being the key, deficit spending should be the antithesis of conservatism. So raising taxes and holding spending would qualify. I think the only Republican president in my life time who was actually fiscally conservative was HW Bush. Must be why he’s so revered by the party now.

For instance on health care, the argument over how much of a role the government should play in providing insurance isn’t a fiscal policy debate. It only becomes fiscal when a policy is decided and you move on to how to pay for it.

To be fair, you said "moderate republicans and conservative democrats"

Not socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Because I doubt the later really exists anymore in politics. The previous fiscal conservative people were shown to be a farce (ie, Paul Ryan).

"Small government" = "I hate people"

/prove me wrong guy/

I know, Ben will say *blah blah Church* but you know, by and large.

I think Trump has shown pretty definitively that there's no large group of fiscally conservative voters. People like getting things from the government, although admittedly some of them don't want other people to get free things.

It is same socially as well. "Don't take my freedom by making me wear a mask, but you better not have the gay sex or have an abortion."

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It's interesting how people tend to define their own principles differently than how others would define them on their behalf.

And therein lies the rub. We could raise the federal income tax to 100% on those evil rich people in the highest tax bracket, and it would have a minuscule effect on reducing the national debt. How many democrats are in favor of making the painful spending cuts (except national defense) that are necessary to make a meaningful difference in reducing the debt?

It's all but impossible to get to a balanced budget without tax increases. The budget is defense, Socal Security, healthcare, interest, and everything else. The public has shown they won't accept cuts in SS and healthcare, and defense won't get meaningfully cut, so there's no realistic way to get to balanced with spending cuts.

The top 10% owns something like 70% of the country's wealth.

The bottom 50% owns more like 2%.

How again does taxing the rich not produce funds?

Biden has supported PAYGO for as long as I can remember. Much more fiscally conservative than Trump or any Republican that has run in decades.

so what praytell does "fiscally liberal" mean?

Believing in no limit to government spending, and that the country can tax its way into prosperity.

When is the last time Biden has said anything about PAYGO?

And the spending plans he campaigned on are much more fiscally irresponsible than anything we've seen thus far.

He has spent the last 40 years talking about budget deficits and being fiscally responsible. He is arguably the most fiscally conservative President elected since Carter.

His campaign platform centered around raising revenue to pay for existing and future programs. Getting rid of a portion of the Trump tax cuts and eliminating business loopholes. He left the door open to some deficit spending while we get out of the pandemic, but that's it.

To say his spending plan is fiscally irresponsible is a complete fabrication. There is zero evidence of that in the campaign or in his long history as a politician.

Trump appointed two openly white supremacists to government jobs the other day. So the administration hasn't completely stopped governing.

The last balanced budget we had was under a Democratic president. Fiscally responsible Republican is a myth. Cut taxes and spend money like a drunken sailor. Just make sure none goes to poor people.

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I love that one party has literally undermined free and fair elections and brought us to the brink of literal Civil War, but some people are still like "maybe, but the libs will tax us into a depression!"

Fuck off, sincerely

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...bc9_story.html

The comment by mtbspd is one to chew on, I think:

that sounds like a king sitting on a pile of gold stuffing his face with fat pheasants and buying goldplated toilet paper to wipe his ass

what? you mean like buying more stupid fighter jets?

Bill Clinton, after the republicans won a landslide in the 1994 mid-term elections, taking over both houses of Congress. It was part of his successful “triangulation” strategy to win re-election in 1996. Basically, stick your finger into the wind to see where public opinion lies on every important issue. He certainly didn’t show much interest in balancing the budget between 1993 and 1994, when the democrats controlled the White House, the senate and the House of Representatives.

1993 deficit was lower than 1992 and 1994 was lower than 1993. The tax increase in 1993 was primarily about reducing the budget deficit.

No no, JPhillips. We have to play along with the fantasy.
I have said before that the Iraq War was the reason I left the Republican party, and that is true. It was the final straw. What started me down the slope, though, was the fiction of fiscally responsible Republicans. Before 9/11, and before the war you could see George W and the Republican congress spending money like crazy. Huge increases in the budget along with tax cuts. The budget surplus went down faster than a prom date. I had been told over and over and over again how if we just had a Republican President and a Republican congress, then spending would get under control. What actually happened is "let's cut social programs, unless it is a windfall to drug companies, and for every dollar we cut we will give two in a tax cut to the rich, two to businesses and two more to defense contractors. Spend spend spend, cut cut cut. Then go to endless wars to spend some more on no bid contracts to our donors, while they don't provide the soldiers the resources needed.
Fiscally responsible my aunt Fanny.

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Talking about fiscal responsibility and practicing it are two different things. Exactly what in his past makes you think that he's "arguably the most fiscally conservative President elected since Carter". He campaigned on trillions of dollars of new spending and not enough tax increases to pay for it.

I hope Biden is fiscally responsible. Honestly, I think he may actually have a fiscally responsible presidency because McConnell won't enact any of his big spending plans.

I don't think McConnell is fiscally responsible either, only that he's a giant dick.

will seriously be disppointed if VH1 doesn't air the trump reality show that follows him around with a camera this month

Watched Rudy’s presser, that was fucking unbelievable


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Worth every penny of the $20k/day he's being paid!

I think Rudy and McConnell are both slowly rotting from the inside and shedding their human form. McConnell's hands now Rudy's brain-juice.

I used to like Rudy. I lived in NYC when he was mayor. I certainly admire a good prosecutor. He's lost his mind and his reputation.

:D

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