Now we have to realize if we want the vaccine we probably can’t go get it until next fall. The general in charge of distribution on 60 minutes was saying hospital staff get it first and I assume nursing homes residents too which would start like January- March. Then it would start being distributed in April I assume for the general public but that is going to take a long time.

I get the part about hospital staff and maybe even first responders. Nothing I have seen regarding COVID and nursing homes leads me to believe that they are getting any sort of priority when it comes to vaccine distribution.

I do want to see the demographics of who is willing to get the vaccine first. Are those who believe they are more vulnerable to the effects of COVID more likely to wait to make sure of its safety? Are those who believe that the virus is not that big of a deal actually rush out to get the vaccine so they can truly get back to their normal life?

Fuck those old people, they should just isolate. I mean, isn't that the way a lot of people have approached this? Looking at you Dan Patrick.

Not isolate, take one for the team and die, wasn't that the gist ?

An old buddy of mine got it back in NoDak. He was told "everyone is going to get it, it's just a matter of time, it's spread too far and there's nothing more we can do". Not surprising for North Dakota.

My 90 year old mother that lives with us and who voted for Biden as well as every democrat ever would disagree with this approach. ;)

Ben Carson tested positive.

Esper has apparently been fired in a tweet

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If you are a bad actor targeting the US, these next 70+ days are going to be your best shot to do some damage.

True.

(1) he's just trying to do what all the cool kids are doing

and/or

(2) how hard is it to wear a damned mask? honestly it doesn't take a brain sur... uh... oh.

I don't know if Emily Murphy is a true believer but assuming she isn't, I feel sorry for her.

It's like a CEO of the company telling you not to do it and you can lose your job. Sure she can give the finger to the CEO and do it anyway, resulting in a job loss (which she probably needs) and the CEO appointing someone else to retract the approval.

In this case, although customary, it's not been confirmed yet so I guess she has some rationalization.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...96e_story.html

Either the Lincoln Project or Dem Coalition put her phone number on Twitter today.

Hilarious.

Unsure if this is real but still funny. Anyone know who she is and I'll create a HoN for her.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1325880755575160836

Top Republicans back Trump's efforts to discredit election results

Sandra smith

I debated whether to put this in the non-political forum, but decided to put it here. The sheer idiocy of these people is astounding.


Pfizer Said a Vaccine Was Almost Here. Anti-Vaxxers Lost It.

Pretty much this. My wife is 37, fit, smart, way more successful than me, but also has a rare heart condition and is likely getting a pacemaker in January. Looking at her, you'd never suspect COVID could wreck her. Someone yelled at her the other day for wearing a mask, as though her not wanting to die is somehow selfish.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/polit...rnc/index.html

IF this happens, the Republican party officially becomes the party of Trump, no?

Pretty sure we are there already. If nobody is going to speak up against him when he's lost an election while the rest of the party performed better, then when?

"Over 80% of irate responses were posted to Twitter and Facebook using the users' mobile phones which can, in no way, be used to track a person without their knowledge, listen in on them without their permission, or radicalize their viewpoints"

SI

I think many republicans would look at that as the last straw, and the party would alienate many more of them. A lot of republicans I've talked to are hoping for some new blood to rise to the top to challenge for the White House. Brian Sandoval would be a good possibility in my opinion. Sandoval was an extremely popular governor in Nevada, even amongst democrats, winning re-election with over 70% of the vote.

The moderate GOP governors are extremely popular, but they can't win the primary without giving up what made them popular in the first place. See Romney, Mitt.

It already has, regardless.

Honestly, don't we think that the Republican Party (whatever that means, in terms of leaders and such) has basically figure out through this whole Cult 45 exercise that logical/policy consistency is massively overrated, at least with the sphere of voters and stakeholders and corporate interests they care about?

Look at Lindsay Graham on the court nominee. Yes he said A, looked into the camera and told people to "use it against me." And then he said B, and all but looked into the camera and said "go fuck yourselves, suckers." And won. And remains a heroic figure, in part for doing so.

So, for all these Trump enablers who made unconscionable votes and statements in support of that guy, once the smoke clears and that guy is gone (hopefully)... don't you thin their plan will basically just be to say the new/different thing like nothing ever happened?

Who cares about the truth? A bunch of lamestream media types, elbow-patch professors and scientists, liberal coastal elites, and football text sim message boarders... none of them move the needle in empowering Republicans. Fuck 'em. Just lie, blame the media, and lie more. It works.

NEW: When Gov. DeSantis needed to hire a data analyst, his staff picked a little-known Ohio sports blogger and Uber driver whose only relevant experience is spreading harmful conspiracy theories about COVID-19 on the Internet. https://t.co/oLnW4LXAMY w/ @conarck @KirbyWTweets

— Nicholas Nehamas �� (@NickNehamas) November 10, 2020

You're not wrong.

This passage from a NYT article about QAnon struggling with Trump's loss gave me a laugh.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/t...ion-trump.html

I hear what you guys are saying. What I meant is with this move, we are done playing the game that Trump is a means to an end or an outsider as opposed to being the the heart of the party. That Trump is the Republican party.

While I disagree with who it is and what it means they represent, I give credit to the Republicans for actually defining who they are.

That's a big time, Q conspiracy. Not all anti vaxxers believe that, but 100% (well maybe not that high, but it's a big tenet the belief) of Q followers do.

Now for some non-religious discussion ... don't know if we are reading too much into what Kavanaugh said but it's a good thing, better than nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/polit...ays/index.html

Could Trump govern without the House ? Like, technically. Not asking if he can do it well, only if it would be possible if somehow no one "removes" him (and all Democrats could do is boycot, which would presumably matter less in the minority in the Senate).
Anybody already made that thought experiment online perhaps ?

I'm surprised given the consistency in comments that I've seen from Q'ers. I just assumed they were pumping out this same election fraud nonsense.

I'm not surprised about diaper wearing popularity. That's the good stuff.

No. Anyone in power in the military has been pretty adamant they do not want to get involved in domestic political matters, and they wouldn't do anything until January 20th or whatever inauguration day is supposed to be, but if Trump hasn't left the White House and tries to keep governing by executive decree the military would be forced to pick a side.

I guess the weirder way would be to monkey around with the electoral college vote in December - MI/PA Republican's have already said no they won't interfere, and you don't have to worry about faithless electors when it's 300+ EV's not 270, but the legal mechanics of things aren't really as defined or understood.

Maybe QAnon was a Dem ploy to show undecideds how batshit-crazy Trumpers were? Now the election is over it has run it’s course...

I don’t believe that TBH, but if it were true it would be (flawed) genius

Q'anon is John Titor.

Didn't Aubrey Huff have that theory days ago?

Pretty sure it started as a joke and now is just being used by the guy who runs 8chan.

I feel that it is rather sad that someone could be filled with so much hate:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...s-say-n1247381

Americans will refer to this as radicalization when it occurs in other countries.

In the US, we call this Wednesday.

Please excuse my lack of shock and surprise that he is a nazi.

one step closer to being labeled as domestic terrorists

Perhaps the right thread? Unsure since there's multiples now:

Anyways...

What happens if the conspiracy that the elections aren't certified and the state electors get selected and get put in place to throw their votes to Trump, in essence stealing the election. The GOP Senators and House stand back and explain it away as they've done with literally everything and their morality as well (Christians! Ha!). What does the rest of the country do is my question?

Does the military intervene? Does the populace? I'm thinking no and Trump does in fact 'steal' the election, gets 4 more years and the country is neutered to do anything. Then the long tail is that he runs for a 3rd term because the first was so affected by a opposition party.

What are the things that could happen that I'm missing on the extreme crazy spectrum?

This stuff at the DOD

Scoop: Douglas Macgregor joining Pentagon as senior adviser to Acting SecDef. Sends the strongest possible signal that Trump wants to accelerate withdrawal of troops from the Middle East before the end of his presidency. https://t.co/grODh5w3aN

— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) November 11, 2020

gets more ominous.

I would say all of that is on the extreme crazy spectrum except I think that is exactly what the Trump plan is, and he has telling us this for quite awhile. No one took him seriously or believed he had a chance to do it. I think he has a more than zero chance of doing it.

It's certainly non-zero, but it's also non-zero that Martians will land in Times Square in the next hour. I'd put both of them in about the same likelihood.

I would say the fact that the president has the power of the office, a complicit senate and a large portion of the country on his side, would give him a much higher chance of success than Martians.

But knowing the ramifications of this, especially based on the fact that these allegations are baseless. Is it really conceivable that our Government would allow this to happen for the sake of one mans fragile ego, knowing full well, that it would destroy America as we know it?

I just can't fathom that the senate would go beyond this current political theatre and stand by allowing him to burn democracy to the ground.

The Senate doing it wouldn't surprise me. I don't see the number of states required going that route. There's a lot of dominoes that would all have to fall in line for that to happen, and if they all do what you effectively have is a coup.