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albionmoonlight 07-26-2022 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3373273)
I'm beginning to think we have a real Nazi problem in the USA. There's been a lot of this kind of thing recently.


The amount of honest-to-goodness Nazis out there is one of the saddest revelations of the last 5-10 years for me. Not "people who disagree with me, so I'll call them Nazis" folks. But the "Jews will not replace us" crowd.

sterlingice 07-26-2022 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3373281)
The amount of honest-to-goodness Nazis out there is one of the saddest revelations of the last 5-10 years for me. Not "people who disagree with me, so I'll call them Nazis" folks. But the "Jews will not replace us" crowd.


There's been a number of these the past 10 years where a bunch of us naive folks didn't realize just how much hate was out there. It's staggering how many people think that, say, black people, women, gays, and Jews just aren't human beings. In those minds, they're sub-humans or birthing vessels or brain damaged or mongrels (that somehow still control the world). I just don't get it - where does all that hate come from? I mean, I get that Fox News and that whole ecosystem* is basically pumping out "two minutes hate" on repeat but at least some of that has to be there already, I think - Maybe, maybe not? Maybe it only takes a tiny bit of hate that we all have when you spend 24 hours exposed to just hate over and over. Like some of these people don't have two spare brain cells to rub together so they wouldn't be making some connections about shadowy cabals and replacement theory without it being spoon fed to them but others are genuinely smart people in other walks of life that looked at a number of competing theories for how society functions and somehow landed on "Jewish Space Laser" or "Planned Parenthood is selling dismembered baby parts on the black market" as maybe a little out there but not disqualifying but "Green New Deal" or "affirmative action" or "a right to abortion" as a bridge too far.

*CNN and its ilk are more fear based than hate based - it's similar but there's an important distinction. It's unhealthy in a different way.

SI

dubb93 07-26-2022 09:21 AM

Working in healthcare and in that way having access to people's viewing habits on TV has left me shocked at the percentage of people out there that turn on Fox News in the morning and don't it turn it off until bedtime.

thesloppy 07-26-2022 10:02 AM

I think there are lots of folks that treat it as a fake companion, and leave it on all day long for the familiar voices.

albionmoonlight 07-26-2022 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3373288)
I think there are lots of folks that treat it as a fake companion, and leave it on all day long for the familiar voices.


My parents used to do that with the Weather Channel and/or local news. Now they do it with Fox.

I think that there's a generation for whom having on the TV is comforting. For me, it is distracting if I am not actually watching it. But I think that if you are used to it in the background, it is weird to not have something on.

cuervo72 07-26-2022 10:13 AM

Visits to the in-laws were like that. During the day it was either CNBC or Fox Business, then later on it was Fox News, if there wasn't an old movie on that my FIL was interested in.

At home we usually have something on if my wife is home. One time when we didn't -- or we just didn't unmute after a commercial -- younger child's GF commented to them that my wife and I were just sitting there in silence, which seemed a little eerie.

When my wife is at work I have more often than not turned the TV off, as I use that time to read. If I happen to be on the computer though and not reading I might have something on in the background.

So, to sum up: if it's just me, don't necessarily need TV. If it's not just me, TV is good to avoid the impression of awkward silence.

Atocep 07-26-2022 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3373288)
I think there are lots of folks that treat it as a fake companion, and leave it on all day long for the familiar voices.


This is my wife's family. My wife sends me screenshots of the Facebook arguments her step-dad gets into and I tell her I can always tell who he's been listening to based on his talking points.

stevew 07-26-2022 01:08 PM

we usually watch Guy Fieri all day and most of the time I'm not about doom and gloom

but I do have some strong opinions on how Flavortown should be governed.

Lathum 07-26-2022 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3373286)
Working in healthcare and in that way having access to people's viewing habits on TV has left me shocked at the percentage of people out there that turn on Fox News in the morning and don't it turn it off until bedtime.


This is my mother in law

Lathum 07-26-2022 02:27 PM

I almost never have the TV on unless there is a ballgame or something. I do have on music 90% of the time through Alexa

thesloppy 07-26-2022 02:56 PM

I feel like I understand the motivation, and my short attention span needs constant input too, I am just more active about it, rather than putting something on and leaving it on for 12 hours at a time.

Edward64 07-26-2022 06:54 PM

I am okay that Pelosi has proposed going to Taiwan but am given some pause because Biden is negative towards it. Military confrontation is very unlikely, but can see it messing up any Chinese cooperation on Ukraine (probably no hope anyway) or cooperation on tariff relief (heard that was an option Biden was considering).

Wonder if it's better served visiting other APAC friendly countries (or the Quad countries) vs specifically Taiwan? Lower key visit and another step in building wider alliances vs just specifically antagonizing China. I'm not sure what Pelosi has to gain here especially since Biden is not supportive?

Biden administration working behind the scenes to convince Pelosi of the risks of traveling to Taiwan | CNN Politics

RainMaker 07-26-2022 07:42 PM

She belongs in jail.

Nancy Pelosi's husband buys millions in Nvidia stock before semiconductor vote - MarketWatch

JPhillips 07-26-2022 09:18 PM

She's not visiting Taiwan without WH approval. Anything negative coming from the WH is all for show.

Flasch186 07-27-2022 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373346)


meh, white collar stuff isn't criminal any more. We live in 'Merica where you don't get in trouble unless, well, you know...

albionmoonlight 07-27-2022 07:12 AM

Congressfolk and their immediate family should be forbidden from owning individual stocks period.

Index funds and/or blind trusts only.

Do the thing where, when elected, they can transfer their assets out of individual securities and into index funds/blind trusts without realizing the gains.

NobodyHere 07-27-2022 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3373363)
Congressfolk and their immediate family should be forbidden from owning individual stocks period.

Index funds and/or blind trusts only.

Do the thing where, when elected, they can transfer their assets out of individual securities and into index funds/blind trusts without realizing the gains.


:+1:

Thomkal 07-27-2022 10:36 AM

There has been some clammoring on Twitter about this this year, Whitehouse especially from Rhode Island. Would love to see this done to remove one temptation of corruption from Congress. And while they are at it term limits and age limits too

sterlingice 07-27-2022 10:38 AM

This all sounds good to me

SI

NobodyHere 07-27-2022 03:13 PM

Senate passes massive package to boost U.S. computer chip production

I still don't know if I support this. What's to keep companies from taking the money and just building new factories in Asia?

But hey, we're already 30 trillion in the hole, what's another 80 billion?

RainMaker 07-27-2022 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3373400)
Senate passes massive package to boost U.S. computer chip production

I still don't know if I support this. What's to keep companies from taking the money and just building new factories in Asia?

But hey, we're already 30 trillion in the hole, what's another 80 billion?


Just more corporate welfare. Imagine if someone proposed giving away $80 billion to help with student loans or medical needs? Fat chance.

If you want to know how desperate these companies are for capital, NVIDIA is dumping $15 billion into stock buybacks. :lol:

BYU 14 07-27-2022 03:40 PM

The key to that chip package, is holding American companies to the base tenants of it, which is increasing security and viability.

Of course, the downside is these companies will undoubtedly exploit the money as much as they can to make more money in typical corporate greed fashion, but the ability to use this to limit how much China and other foreign actors can manipulate our technology is still vital. Make no mistake, the most danger to America from foreign actors right now, is on the cyber battlefield.

This is an opportunity to mitigate some of that, and the government better take full advantage, though I have little to no trust in our government not finding a way to screw it up completely and have it just turn into another pocket liner for the 1%.

GrantDawg 07-27-2022 04:40 PM

Prime Minister Manchin has finally agreed to a reconciliation bill. Medicare drug negotiation and ACA extension included. Those two were the big two for me.

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SirFozzie 07-27-2022 05:12 PM

Some in my twitter feed are trying to claim that this was the plan all along, to put off a deal with climate factors/Medicare/ACA this long so the Republicans would pass CHIPS+ (rather then passing this and then the Republicans not wanting to give Biden another win)

I find that.. highly unlikely

BYU 14 07-27-2022 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373410)
Prime Minister Manchin


:lol: :lol:

albionmoonlight 07-27-2022 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3373412)
I find that.. highly unlikely


Yeah. Manchin isn't playing 4D chess with Biden. He "walked away" to get some attention for another news cycle. And I'm sure he squeezed another sweetener or two out of the deal.

My guess is that the WH negotiators at this point are having to restrain themselves from punching him in the face. I don't see them working chummy backroom deals with him.

GrantDawg 07-27-2022 06:17 PM

Now we wait to see if Vice Chancellor Sinema will sign off.

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GrantDawg 07-27-2022 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3373412)
Some in my twitter feed are trying to claim that this was the plan all along, to put off a deal with climate factors/Medicare/ACA this long so the Republicans would pass CHIPS+ (rather then passing this and then the Republicans not wanting to give Biden another win)

I find that.. highly unlikely

Was it the plan along? Certainly not. Is it possible that Manchin and Democrats came to a deal a couple of weeks ago and waited till the CHIPS deal passed before announcing it? Almost certainly. It is absolutely not coincidence this was announced today. It was a big middle finger to Turtle-man.

albionmoonlight 07-27-2022 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373419)
Was it the plan along? Certainly not. Is it possible that Manchin and Democrats came to a deal a couple of weeks ago and waited till the CHIPS deal passed before announcing it? Almost certainly. It is absolutely not coincidence this was announced today. It was a big middle finger to Turtle-man.


Also, McConnell may have pissed off Manchin by threatening to torpedo CHIPS in the first place.

JPhillips 07-27-2022 08:32 PM

Serving McConnell an extra large bag of dicks is quite delightful.

NobodyHere 07-27-2022 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3373425)
Serving McConnell an extra large bag of dicks is quite delightful.


To you or McConnell?

Lathum 07-27-2022 09:12 PM

Hershel Walker went on FOX today and the sound bites are, something else...

Edward64 07-27-2022 10:25 PM

Congrats to Biden and Dems in getting 1 win and another likely 2nd win all in a week.

Now if we can only see concrete results from the Infrastructure bill. Mayor Pete needs to get a better press secretary.

BYU 14 07-27-2022 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3373428)
Hershel Walker went on FOX today and the sound bites are, something else...


It literally sounded like a post game interview, talking about the "fans" Dude is a complete fucking idiot who thankfully, for his sake, could carry a football or his lot in life would not be stellar right now.

RainMaker 07-28-2022 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3373428)
Hershel Walker went on FOX today and the sound bites are, something else...


Recent poll has him down 9. Starting to think the Dems might hold on to the Senate after all.

Oz looks like a complete mess in Pennsylvania too. Blake Masters just told a group of Seniors we need to abolish Social Security.

Haven't heard anything about Wisconsin of late, but Johnson has to be vulnerable. It's a state that should lean D but has a heavy R government due to it being the most gerrymandered in the country.

Edward64 07-28-2022 06:58 AM

Reading through some snippets of the agreement ...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/27/polit...ter/index.html

I like this but need a need a normal looking Camry/Accord EV, with 300+ mile range, priced around $25-$35K please

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Tax credits for electric vehicles made it into the new deal, according to two Senate Democratic aides. Electric Vehicle tax credits will continue at their current levels, up to $4,000 for a used electric vehicle and $7,500 for a new EV. However, there will be a lower income threshold for people who can use the tax credits -- a key demand of Manchin's. Manchin had been staunchly opposed to electric vehicle tax credits throughout negotiations
Definitely like this. Anything to keep healthcare costs down.

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The deal keeps the prescription drug prices changes that Manchin had previously agreed to, including empowering Medicare to negotiate the price of certain costly medications administered in doctors' offices or purchased at the pharmacy. The Health and Human Services secretary would negotiate the prices of 10 drugs in 2026, and another 15 drugs in 2027 and again in 2028. The number would rise to 20 drugs a year for 2029 and beyond.

It would also redesign Medicare's Part D drug plans so that seniors and people with disabilities wouldn't pay more than $2,000 a year for medication bought at the pharmacy. And, the deal would require drug companies to pay rebates if they increase their prices in the Medicare and private-insurance markets faster than inflation
Bolded section seems inaccurate (?), this has already existed for the past couple years at least. But good this bill will extend that particular item for 3 more years. Important for my pre-Medicare eligible retirement plans

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The agreement also calls for extending the enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies for three years
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Enrollees pay no more than 8.5% of their income toward coverage, down from nearly 10%. And lower-income policyholders receive subsidies that eliminate their premiums completely. Also, those earning more than 400% of the federal poverty level have become eligible for help for the first time
Reducing deficit is great if true. I'll wait for the CBO projections.

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In total, Democrats say the deal would reduce the deficit by more than $300 billion

JPhillips 07-28-2022 08:33 AM

Andrew Yang is announcing his new party today and reports are that it currently has no policy preferences.

Yang should get an achievement badge for number of different ways to collect an insignificant amount of votes.

albionmoonlight 07-28-2022 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3373467)
Andrew Yang is announcing his new party today and reports are that it currently has no policy preferences.

Yang should get an achievement badge for number of different ways to collect an insignificant amount of votes.


Third parties cannot survive for long in our system. But the ones who do manage to make a splash either have a charismatic leader (TR) or focus on a policy platform that is being neglected by the two main parties (slavery).

So putting up a 3rd party with no policy platform led by Andrew Yang and Christine Whitman is certainly something.

NobodyHere 07-28-2022 08:46 AM

Didn't he create the "Forward" party just last year?

Edward64 07-28-2022 08:57 AM

I'm assuming Yang will lead with Universal Basic Income.

larrymcg421 07-28-2022 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373443)
Recent poll has him down 9. Starting to think the Dems might hold on to the Senate after all.

Oz looks like a complete mess in Pennsylvania too. Blake Masters just told a group of Seniors we need to abolish Social Security.

Haven't heard anything about Wisconsin of late, but Johnson has to be vulnerable. It's a state that should lean D but has a heavy R government due to it being the most gerrymandered in the country.


Vance is screwing up Ohio as well. Dems may come away with more than 50 at this rate.

Lathum 07-28-2022 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3373489)
Vance is screwing up Ohio as well. Dems may come away with more than 50 at this rate.


Vances comments the other day were beyond horrific. How any woman could vote for him is a mystery.

GrantDawg 07-28-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3373491)
Vances comments the other day were beyond horrific. How any woman could vote for him is a mystery.

There are many women, especially white women, who are a-ok with not having rights.

sterlingice 07-28-2022 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373492)
There are many women, especially white women, who are a-ok with not having rights.


So long as their "not having rights" means there are people that have fewer and their husband their hitched to has a lot compared to others.

SI

RainMaker 07-28-2022 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373492)
There are many women, especially white women, who are a-ok with not having rights.


I think they view it as it's OK for other women to not have rights, but this stuff won't apply to them.

There was a fascinating article written years ago by a doctor (or nurse, not sure) for a women's health center. She talked about how many pro-life people would come in for abortions. The one thing they all had in common is they believed their situation was unique and should be treated differently from the others who were getting abortions.

So I think that's kind of what it comes down to. And I think that's a staple of right-wing politics in general. I remember reading lungs talk about how farmers didn't view subsidies they received as welfare, but definitely viewed others receiving benefits as being welfare.

albionmoonlight 07-28-2022 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373496)
I think they view it as it's OK for other women to not have rights, but this stuff won't apply to them.


I saw someone right after Dobbs noting that there won't be one Senator's mistress or SEC quarterback's girlfriend that will have any trouble getting an abortion.

RainMaker 07-28-2022 04:02 PM

Can't find the piece anywhere but did find this. Kind of covers the same topic. Didn't know there was a term for it, the "Me Exception".

The Women Who Leave Anti-Abortion Picket Lines to Get Abortions

RainMaker 07-28-2022 04:03 PM

Reminds me of this too. Shit gets real when it happens to you.

Anti-Abortion Rep. Tim Murphy Will Resign After Report On Abortion Request : The Two-Way : NPR

Ksyrup 07-28-2022 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373503)
Can't find the piece anywhere but did find this. Kind of covers the same topic. Didn't know there was a term for it, the "Me Exception".

The Women Who Leave Anti-Abortion Picket Lines to Get Abortions


It's like a corollary to NIMBY behavior.

albionmoonlight 07-28-2022 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373503)
Didn't know there was a term for it, the "Me Exception".


Related to the "Shirley Exception."

https://twitter.com/AlexandraErin/st...00861865488384

cuervo72 07-28-2022 05:05 PM

I'm not sure people really get how laws work.

Saul Goode 07-28-2022 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373492)
There are many women, especially white women, who are a-ok with not having rights.



One is even on the supreme court.

sterlingice 07-28-2022 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373496)
I think they view it as it's OK for other women to not have rights, but this stuff won't apply to them.

There was a fascinating article written years ago by a doctor (or nurse, not sure) for a women's health center. She talked about how many pro-life people would come in for abortions. The one thing they all had in common is they believed their situation was unique and should be treated differently from the others who were getting abortions.

So I think that's kind of what it comes down to. And I think that's a staple of right-wing politics in general. I remember reading lungs talk about how farmers didn't view subsidies they received as welfare, but definitely viewed others receiving benefits as being welfare.


"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion" seemingly always gets posted on Reddit when this comes up: “The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion” – Joyce Arthur's page

SI

Edward64 07-29-2022 07:04 AM

Some more details on how the deal was reached.

Essentially, Manchin approached Schumer again to see if something could be done. Manchin needed to be convinced it would not add to inflation. They purposely kept Biden out of the loop. And there was a little pork for Manchin.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/polit...eal/index.html

More analysis will come out shortly and do want to understand why the deal is considered deflationary.
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former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers — who issued early warnings about inflation last year, often to the irritation of the Biden administration — also privately reached out to Manchin to argue the deal would not add to inflation but would instead be deflationary
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Democratic Sen. John Hickenlooper of Colorado told reporters he and his staff were getting analysis of the tax and climate deal from economists at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania.

"We knew that (Manchin) trusted Wharton, that he'd used that for modeling before," Hickenlooper told reporters. "So, we asked them to model this. We did that and got back modeling that said this is not inflationary in any way, and we sent that to Joe

Edward64 07-29-2022 07:15 AM

The Biden-Xi call lasted 2 hours and 20 mins.

I've been in meetings that long to get into details but doubt that's what those 2 did. Must have been pretty intense especially around Taiwan.

But good to see people are calling it somewhat net positive and supposedly an in-person meeting in the future is possible.

larrymcg421 07-29-2022 10:15 AM

This veteran bill seems like an odd unforced error by McConnell. He should know you can't play games with a veteran bill so close to the election, especially when you initially voted for it.

albionmoonlight 07-29-2022 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3373532)
This veteran bill seems like an odd unforced error by McConnell. He should know you can't play games with a veteran bill so close to the election, especially when you initially voted for it.


Politics is personal, and I think that the Manchin deal really did surprise the GOP leadership and it got them off their game a bit.

flere-imsaho 07-29-2022 11:58 AM

McConnell held up the healthcare for 9/11 first responders bill a while back (another thing Stewart championed), so it feels like he's got something specific against this kind of thing.

RainMaker 07-29-2022 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3373532)
This veteran bill seems like an odd unforced error by McConnell. He should know you can't play games with a veteran bill so close to the election, especially when you initially voted for it.


The "support the troops" bit has always been for show. They've never cared and their voters don't care either.

Edward64 07-30-2022 07:28 AM

Good stuff Biden.

Sure hope we have the support structure in place to help them now that they are in the US.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-admi...-biden-pledge/
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The U.S. received more than 100,000 Ukrainians in roughly five months following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, fulfilling President Biden's pledge of providing a temporary safe haven to those displaced as part of the largest refugee exodus since World War II, government statistics obtained by CBS News show.

The tens of thousands of Ukrainians who have set foot on U.S. soil since the February 24 invasion have arrived through various immigration channels and with different legal status, most of them with temporary permission to stay in the country, according to the government data.

Approximately 47,000 Ukrainians have come to the U.S. on temporary or immigrant visas; nearly 30,000 Ukrainians arrived under a private sponsorship program; more than 22,000 Ukrainians were admitted along the U.S.-Mexico border; and 500 Ukrainians entered the country through the traditional refugee system, the data show

Edward64 07-30-2022 08:04 AM

I had thought Pelosi's trip was specifically for Taiwan but there are other countries on the list too.

Biden has hinted but hasn't said he's opposed to the trip. Second quote has face saving requirement for Xi so Biden will have to weigh that. I'm thinking scrap the trip to Taiwan but continue to build up Taiwan's defensive capabilities. But deep down, I'm kinda hoping that Biden calls the bluff.

Nancy Pelosi to Travel to Asia With Possible Taiwan Stop, Despite China Warnings - WSJ
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is planning to visit major U.S. allies in Asia, people familiar with the plans said, with arrangements for a possible stop in Taiwan that has drawn warnings from China still unresolved.

The trip by Mrs. Pelosi (D., Calif.) and several other members of Congress, which is scheduled to begin this weekend, includes planned stops in Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea and Japan, the people said. Logistical preparations are under way for a Taiwan stop in case a decision to go there is finalized, one of the people said
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Mrs. Pelosi’s planned travel to Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea and Japan, as well as Taiwan, takes her to a frontline in the U.S. and China’s contest for global primacy
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Mr. Xi is in the midst of securing a norm-breaking third term as Communist Party leader at a pivotal political gathering this fall. With intense politicking under way in the party, Chinese affairs specialists say that Mr. Xi cannot appear to look weak on Taiwan and to give in to the U.S., thus raising the stakes for a Pelosi visit

Ksyrup 07-30-2022 02:15 PM

Biden tests positive again. I'm sure no one is going to flip out over that.

Edward64 07-31-2022 07:27 AM

Nice article on needing more highly educated immigrants to fill gaps in chip industry & STEM. Article says there are discussions/desire specifically about PhDs which is a no brainer to me assuming security concerns are mitigated. Easy win and there seems to be some support from both sides, but not quite there yet.

Biden wants an industrial renaissance. He can’t do it without immigration reform. - POLITICO

JPhillips 07-31-2022 05:16 PM

It doesn't happen often because Dems don't push things but this veteran healthcare bill has really wrong-footed the GOP. All of their arguments sound terrible and take the focus off of the areas where they are strong.

Atocep 07-31-2022 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3373617)
It doesn't happen often because Dems don't push things but this veteran healthcare bill has really wrong-footed the GOP. All of their arguments sound terrible and take the focus off of the areas where they are strong.


It was effectively a political temper tantrum and the Ted Cruz fist bump is an awful look that's going to get played to death.

John Stewart forcing Fox News' hand to put him on the air didn't help them. Fox was trying to help them bury it.

albionmoonlight 07-31-2022 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3373617)
and take the focus off of the areas where they are strong.


There are areas where the Dems are weak. But one problem with the GOP having gone all-in on own-the-libs nihilism is that there aren’t really any areas where they are strong.

I can listen to them and get 1,000 reasons to vote against the Dems. But nothing about why I should vote for them.

JPhillips 07-31-2022 06:11 PM

They should just say inflation a million times, but they can't help themselves from having these culture war fights that please the base but alienate the suburban voters.

RainMaker 07-31-2022 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3373624)
There are areas where the Dems are weak. But one problem with the GOP having gone all-in on own-the-libs nihilism is that there aren’t really any areas where they are strong.

I can listen to them and get 1,000 reasons to vote against the Dems. But nothing about why I should vote for them.


They kind of have to go all-in on that stuff. Their policy ideas are wildly unpopular. They can't win popular votes anymore. So they've had to shift to culture war stuff as some kind of justification for ending or curtailing democracy.

Saw someone point out how big a loss it was for the party in 2012. The race had a lot of policy talk and their ideas were roundly defeated at the polls. Kind of a realization to many on that side that they can't win on policy.

Edward64 08-01-2022 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3373341)
I am okay that Pelosi has proposed going to Taiwan but am given some pause because Biden is negative towards it. Military confrontation is very unlikely, but can see it messing up any Chinese cooperation on Ukraine (probably no hope anyway) or cooperation on tariff relief (heard that was an option Biden was considering).

Wonder if it's better served visiting other APAC friendly countries (or the Quad countries) vs specifically Taiwan? Lower key visit and another step in building wider alliances vs just specifically antagonizing China. I'm not sure what Pelosi has to gain here especially since Biden is not supportive?

Biden administration working behind the scenes to convince Pelosi of the risks of traveling to Taiwan | CNN Politics


Looks like she's going and calling the bluff.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/01/polit...sit/index.html
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US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is expected to visit Taiwan as part of her tour of Asia, according to a senior Taiwanese government official and a US official, despite warnings from Biden administration officials, who are worried about China's response to such a high-profile visit.

The stop -- the first for a US House speaker in 25 years -- is not currently on Pelosi's public itinerary and comes at a time when US-China relations are already at a low point.

RainMaker 08-01-2022 09:03 AM

Maybe she shorted the market.

Edward64 08-01-2022 05:18 PM

Congrats Biden.

I think there was some friction between Taliban and AQ, and wouldn't surprise me if the Taliban provided some intel.

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The United States killed al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri in a drone strike, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

Zawahiri, who just turned 71 years old, had remained a visible international symbol of the group, 11 years after the US killed Osama Bin Laden. At one point, he acted as bin Laden's personal physician.

The US government has not yet confirmed his death. President Joe Biden will speak at 7:30 p.m. ET on "a successful counterterrorism operation" against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, the White House said Monday.

"Over the weekend, the United States conducted a counterterrorism operation against a significant Al Qaeda target in Afghanistan. The operation was successful and there were no civilian casualties," a senior administration official said

RainMaker 08-02-2022 12:48 AM

He was in a Taliban safe house. Intelligence had been following his family when they moved there and he moved in later on. Sounds like a lof of planning went into this.

SirFozzie 08-02-2022 04:17 AM

Kinda amazing that a Hellfire strike only killed the target and other family-members in the house were uninjured.

Edward64 08-02-2022 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3373732)
Kinda amazing that a Hellfire strike only killed the target and other family-members in the house were uninjured.


I was wondering that myself ... and there were 2 Hellfire missiles.

Apparently we made an effort not to kill other family members but wouldn't that be difficult once the missiles were in the air? Maybe we waited until family was out of the house or something.

Like to see the model of the house and where he was when the missile struck.

Flasch186 08-02-2022 06:45 AM

I tell me friends that smoking the hookah on the patio is dangerous for them

Too soon to bring this up as evidence as such?


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Edward64 08-02-2022 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3373521)
More analysis will come out shortly and do want to understand why the deal is considered deflationary.


I've been wondering how this bill will fight inflation.

I'm good with the bill since it reduces the deficit and it shores up healthcare some with the 3-year subsidy extension and negotiating drug prices. But I didn't really understand how this lowers inflation.

I think the answer (from below) is it lowers inflation in the long run but not anything significant in the next 6-12 months, so smells BS'y to me. I get Dems needed to message this to get Manchin onboard (and give him some cover)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/01/polit...ill/index.html
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The package counters inflation in three ways, former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers told CNN's John Berman. It reduces budget deficits, and therefore, the level of demand in the economy. Also, it cuts prices on prescription drugs, while increasing supply by stimulating energy production and subsidizing the transition to renewable energy.

"Less demand, more supply and direct, better bargaining for lower prices -- those are the things that are involved in reducing inflation," said Summers, who last year had warned that rising inflation was not transitory. "This bill is fighting inflation, and it's got a whole set of collateral benefits, as well. It's fair to call it the Inflation Reduction Act."

Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz said a key driver of inflation is high energy costs, which the bill seeks to address through environmental investments.

"There is a simmering debate on the causes of inflation, but whatever side one takes in that debate, this bill is a step forward," said Stiglitz, a professor at Columbia University

Edward64 08-02-2022 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3373734)
I was wondering that myself ... and there were 2 Hellfire missiles.

Apparently we made an effort not to kill other family members but wouldn't that be difficult once the missiles were in the air? Maybe we waited until family was out of the house or something.

Like to see the model of the house and where he was when the missile struck.


Make fun of DM all you want, but they tend to have good pics. The "ninja" hellfire seems weird to me

How CIA tracked Ayman al-Zawahiri for more than 20 years | Daily Mail Online

SirFozzie 08-02-2022 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3373734)
I was wondering that myself ... and there were 2 Hellfire missiles.

Apparently we made an effort not to kill other family members but wouldn't that be difficult once the missiles were in the air? Maybe we waited until family was out of the house or something.

Like to see the model of the house and where he was when the missile struck.



Sounds like it was drone fied, probably had someone on site laser pointing it and monitoring the house for locations. The article I saw stressed that Biden asked several times to remove collateral damage (as much as possible)

Edward64 08-02-2022 07:34 AM

Solar flare to hit today. Nancy visiting Taiwan tonight.

Reminds me of

https://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY


stevew 08-02-2022 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3373742)
Sounds like it was drone fied, probably had someone on site laser pointing it and monitoring the house for locations. The article I saw stressed that Biden asked several times to remove collateral damage (as much as possible)


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It is believed that the United States used the macabre Hellfire R9X, a warhead-less missile equipped with six razor-like blades extending from the fuselage that slices through its target but does not explode. Also nicknamed the "ninja bomb," the missile has become the top US munition for killing leaders of extremist groups while avoiding civilian casualties.

Okay, cool, but you've waited 20 years for this shot. Hopefully missile #2 was there in case more dramatic means were needed.

Edward64 08-02-2022 09:58 AM

You go Nancy.

I'm not sure I agree with this visit (e.g. we can show increased support to Taiwan in other ways) but now that you're there ... have a great time, meet a lot of people, take a lot of pictures, and eat some stinky tofu.

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US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi landed in Taipei on Tuesday, marking a significant show of support for Taiwan despite China's threats of retaliation over the visit

GrantDawg 08-02-2022 04:29 PM

Did you see the crowds cheering the plane coming in? The only place Pelosi can get cheered like that.

(btw, Ed. Thanks for the video link. I needed some REM today)

NobodyHere 08-02-2022 04:35 PM

So China sent over a dozen fighters into the straight and apparently deployed tanks on their coast, all for one little old lady.

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/sports/c...160308318.html

Edward64 08-02-2022 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373786)
Did you see the crowds cheering the plane coming in? The only place Pelosi can get cheered like that.

(btw, Ed. Thanks for the video link. I needed some REM today)

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3373789)
So China sent over a dozen fighters into the straight and apparently deployed tanks on their coast, all for one little old lady.

China sent tanks through beach as Nancy Pelosi prepared to touch down in Taiwan


And the guy that threatened her got 7 years. She has a lot of Mojo, do not frak with her.

dubb93 08-02-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3373789)
and apparently deployed tanks on their coast,


So China has apparently learned nothing from the war in Ukraine? Weapons systems have advanced to the point that tanks are basically sitting ducks in a war between modern nations.

GrantDawg 08-02-2022 06:42 PM

PACT act passes after a week of the GOP getting flogged. I really need Jon Stewart to run for President, but he is too smart to do it.

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flere-imsaho 08-02-2022 07:07 PM

It's been 100 years (plus) since Teddy Roosevelt pointed out one of the biggest strengths of the Presidency was in its use as a "bully pulpit", a concept that no Democratic President since FDR* seems to have understood, but it is, I suspect, something a President Jon Stewart (or, back in the day, Al Franken) would definitely have understood.

*LBJ's use of the Presidency to persuade tended to be more one-on-one.

GrantDawg 08-02-2022 08:36 PM

Kansas had a referendum vote today to change their constitution to allow banning of abortions. It looks like it failed miserably.

Edit: I mean 63% against fail.

RainMaker 08-02-2022 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3373732)
Kinda amazing that a Hellfire strike only killed the target and other family-members in the house were uninjured.


I would be highly skeptical of anything reported. These stories tend to change a lot as time goes on.

RainMaker 08-02-2022 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373814)
Kansas had a referendum vote today to change their constitution to allow banning of abortions. It looks like it failed miserably.

Edit: I mean 63% against fail.


Feels like an issue Democrats should be running hard on in the midterms.

sterlingice 08-02-2022 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373817)
Feels like an issue Democrats should be running hard on in the midterms.


Or at least hard enough to pretend to do something but then do nothing about it

But, hey, a Dem issue got 63% of the vote in really red Kansas. Maybe that's something they should look at.

SI

CrimsonFox 08-02-2022 10:21 PM

FUCK YOU CAVANAUGH, MCCONNELL, and Mary Hartman, Kansas wants abortions. FUCK YOU

RainMaker 08-02-2022 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3373826)
Or at least hard enough to pretend to do something but then do nothing about it

But, hey, a Dem issue got 63% of the vote in really red Kansas. Maybe that's something they should look at.

SI


They were funding an anti-abortion rep in a primary race and Biden was happy to nominate an anti-abortion judge before Rand Paul of all people blew that up.

Edward64 08-03-2022 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3373801)
So China has apparently learned nothing from the war in Ukraine? Weapons systems have advanced to the point that tanks are basically sitting ducks in a war between modern nations.


All bluster right now. I was curious and it seems Taiwan has at least 400 Javelins.

Taiwan to receive all 400 Javelin missiles in 2022 | Taiwan News | 2021-04-10 14:03:00
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A total of 400 Javelin anti-tank missiles that Taiwan ordered from the United States will arrive in one batch in 2022, reports said Saturday (April 10).

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GrantDawg 08-03-2022 07:15 AM

Sometimes you see a vote and wonder "What is the possible political motivation for this vote?" Both Senators from Utah, Alabama and Idaho voted against the veterans medical welfare bill. How can this be good for them?

NobodyHere 08-03-2022 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373814)
Kansas had a referendum vote today to change their constitution to allow banning of abortions. It looks like it failed miserably.

Edit: I mean 63% against fail.


Do we know the voter turnout?

PilotMan 08-03-2022 07:38 AM

Reports I heard were much heavier than anticipated.

Kodos 08-03-2022 08:00 AM

I read in the Times that turnout was 50%, well over the projected 36%.

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As the polls began to close, Scott Schwab, the Kansas secretary of state, said election officials expected turnout to reach about 50 percent — far above the 36 percent that his office had predicted before Election Day, and particularly stunning for a primary in a nonpresidential election year.


cuervo72 08-03-2022 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373846)
Sometimes you see a vote and wonder "What is the possible political motivation for this vote?" Both Senators from Utah, Alabama and Idaho voted against the veterans medical welfare bill. How can this be good for them?


It really seems like they though they could shoot it down, just claim Dems snuck bad things into the bill that they were heroes in catching, and that everyone would believe them/nobody would call them on it. (Of course if the Dems themselves call them on it, Rs can just say "well, they are lying.")


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