I gotta hand it to the GOP - they can insert Hillary into everything. Did you know that not only is Biden going to pack SCOTUS, but Hillary will be one of them?

If this was the case, they wouldn't have let McCain be the hero. They would've protected someone vulnerable, like Gardner, and let them be the deciding vote. For the optics of how skinny repeal failed, there's just no way McConnell would've been behind that.

That's assuming everyone plays by the rules, which we have seen, the republicans have given their tacit permission that it's ok to not to play by the rules. Regardless though, there is no perfect system that can be implemented, stacked or reduced, term limits, etc...as long as you have bad actors, they will find a way to cheat.

I mean if they strike down Medicare, they are just asking for Court packing.

(what I'm envisioning if ACA is struck down is that the Democrats just remove all maximum age limits for Medicare)

Yeah did you see the House GOP tweeted a congrats to Barrett and in the same tweet wished Hillary a Happy Birthday

So if they get rid of Roe vs Wade, what do those one issue voters have left? Not sure what else they could switch their crusade to after slaying that windmill.

They won't get rid of it. They'll do what they've been doing for the last 20 years - putting in more and more restrictions so it's not possible for any provider to meet: the stupid stuff like 20' wide hallways and admitting privileges. "See, it's still legal!" they'll say, even as there are only like 10 states with actual clinics.

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But conservatives have been saying for years "if we just get one more justice we can finally overturn Roe." What are they going to say if a case comes up and they don't overturn it?

I mean, in 1992 the Republicans had an 8-1 advantage on the court. Also, the 1 Dem appointed justice was against Roe. They still couldn't overturn it then.

The dems should totally do that. :D

If the Dems were going for maximum troll job, that would be hilarious.

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"Vote for me because Swine Flu"...And he's the one we should not be concerned about when it comes to cognitive decline. Okay...

Then when Republicans complain, withdraw her and nominate AOC and watch heads explode. :D

I'd be perfectly happy if the Dems propose 75 new SCOTUS seats and ram it through.

But that's mostly because I'd get an unfettered day of joy posting "**Elections have consequences** to a thousand hillbilly whiners all over my FB feed

It's petty, but at my age, caramels and pettiness are likely all that keep me going.

Obama and Hillary.

Aw hell, start with Garland. Then add Obama. Then Bill and Hillary both. There's your 4 justices.

It's an awful plan and an awful idea. But if you were going for maximum trolling, that's getting there.

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Knowing the Dems, they'll end up losing the vote to expand the Court by one vote because Biden wouldn't agree to make Bernie one of the Justices

I want 40 year old justices if we're going to be absurd.

For example, Joe Kennedy III would be a great pick if we're going to troll. He's 40 and a Kennedy.

Chelsea is 40...

I do hope you are correct. I hope the Satanic Church will give these pro-birthers a run for their money.

yeah. How soon til Malia finishes law school?

Yep. As was demonstrated rather recently, impeachment is hard to do. Wouldn't be less so for a justice.

Bernie is too damn old. You really just need to put "The Squad" on the bench.

What did they say when they won on repeal and replace of Obamacare in 2016 and did nothing? Did anyone on the right even question it once the partial repeal failed?

Some of the talking heads raged about how McConnell's Senate was just a bunch of wimpy cuck RINOs or some damn thing. Coulter comes to mind, Rush was on that boat, dunno about others.

But there was right-wing media blowback.

Yep. Conservatives got mad about that just like they got mad about basically the majority of Dubya's second term. But increasingly there aren't enough of them left to matter. What replaced them might be best described as anti-leftists, who don't particularly care what it is they are for so long as it's not what Democrats are for.

And what better leader than the guy that fillibustered his own bill to own the Dems.

Justices: AOC Omar Jayapal Pressley

And heads explode everywhere.

I'm going to assume you need a law degree, and I'm not sure any of those do.

Preet Bharaha and Keith Ellison do, though.

You don't need anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Court_justices

I don't mean technically but realistically. Doing a quick Wiki search suggests Reed was admitted to the bar, but that was in 1910. (And he did at least study at law schools.)

Democratic leadership would rather have conservatives in power than M4A.

I need a timeout to send Atocep a big ol' "fuck you, buddy" for reminding me exactly how old I'm getting. :lol:

You realize that Medicare is very different that "Medicare For All"? Medicare has Premiums and Deductables for doctor's visits. And it doesn't cover everything (hence the existence of Medicare Advantage plans).

I mean if you are going to stack a court, you can probably do whatever you want ;)

Drake is on fire today.

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Fine. Let's just pick four immigrants at random.

seriously, he needs to eat a bag of dicks.

JFC. At his make Trump feel good rally, he’s talking about Biden getting assassinated three weeks into his presidency.

I, and I suspect many others, took him as meaning shot not in a literal sense but figuratively, still, a stunningly terrible choice of words.

If I was Trump I would focus on PA.

Essentially if Biden loses PA, that means certain demographics is voting for Trump more than expected, and therefore those demographics may also surprise in other states like OH.

Is Joe Biden Toast If He Loses Pennsylvania? | FiveThirtyEight

Yeah, that definitely sounded like "Joe's shot" in the sense that his brain is fried, 25th Amendment, Harris takes over. Typical beneath-the-Presidency thing for him to say, but not an assassination joke.

The cops shot some dude in Philly yesterday, so that could completely fuck over the voting there if the protests grow.

You mentioned removing age limits for Medicare. That is M4A essentially. Popular among Democratic voters, not popular among their leaders.

I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall (the way Medicare is now is far more like a public option, not the Sanders or Warren plans which promised no premiums or deductibles). Not to mention Democratic voters tended to overwhelmingly backed the guy who was not for single payer.

Reminder how Medicare works: in order to qualify for Medicare Part A (pays for hospital visits, hospice, etc) you had to have personally paid Medicare taxes for 40 quarters - if you didn't you have to pay premiums (in essence you prepaid premiums). Medicare Part B is office visits that require premiums and deductibles. And most people get supplemental coverage - private insurance - to cover things Medicare doesn't.

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It goes beyond the Presidency. Progressive candidates who prumary moderates get shunned by the party and vendors are blackmailed.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...nderstood.html


Many polls indicate people have very different views of what Medicare For All means. And when you say private insurance will be banned as part of it, support goes way down. We've discussed this on this board before.

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I don't know man, maybe just go with the popular ideas? Maybe the party wouldn't get curbstomped on a regular basis?