Oh and Lathum, I'd love to hear a definite vote decision from you, even though you can't vote, so we have something to judge you by.

dola I'm heading off to dinner, will be back in at least briefly before deadline.

I agree that, from the outside, there should be a limit to what trust you can and should attach to what hoops and I say. It's compeltely reasonable to figure we're wolves trying to buy time.

If you want to test this, you could certainly lynch one of us. Having been far less available, especially recently, I would put myself up first rather than hoops, but that's up to you all, if you choose to go this route.

But the best way for the village is to not go after either of us and concentrate on the players with the worst voting records. Now, doing that got my vote on clap a couple times, so it's not fool proof. But it's a good start.

And although I don't think I have the best voting record around, I'm not barren either. Consider that I played a key role in putting Telle at risk on Day Three to a lynch to ensure a tie. My vote was on saldana before that. PB and Telle were the top vote getters. I switched to Telle to break the tie and loudly campaigned for us all to avoid a tie at that time. If I were a wolf, why would I choose Telle over PB with, what, five minutes left in the game?

Sure, I ended up switching off to (again) ensure we got a lynch, and the result was PB was lynched, but that's quite the leap if you guys think I orchestrated PB getting lynched in five minutes of play at the deadline. I mean, I know some people have said I am a dangerous player, but that's giving me waaaaayy too much credit.

And that's on top of the EF vote on Day One, with a clear opportunity to jump to PB to put either EF or Telle out of range.

Other votes I have made, such as clap and saldana, their voting records at that time are undeniable.

If you think I am a wolf after all that, go ahead and lynch me. If that allows the village to at least clear hoops, I figure it is worth it. But I am afraid we're up against it now with probably three wolves left. So consider carefully.

BTW, I think hoops' theory on the Telle lynching yesterday has a lot of legs. It's a bold play. The wolves already showed their willingness to be bold with the EF criticism. This is another in the same sort of move, IMO.

hard to say but I would probably be voting Jackal based on his voting record, however that may be a throwaway so likely it would be Dubb since I want to see how the Hoops-CR dynamic plays out

dinner at 5:05, who are you, Morty Seinfeld?

I really don't know what to make of the votes on me. I think I've played my best villager game since I started playing here again. I'm having a hard time seeing anything I've done that screams wolf. I don't understand the votes on me, but you if you think I'm blowing smoke up your ass vote for me I guess, it just puts the wolves one day closer to winning this damn game.

Autumn = blue hair.

FWIW, I ate what I consider to be my dinner 20 minutes ago.

Dinner = threadkiller?

Looks like it, I'm about to head that way myself.

If you guys were on the West Coast, you would still be at work.

Not if I could help it.

OK, I'm out until after deadline. If people are not going after Lathum then hopefully the remaining villagers can make a better pick today than I did.

No, just desperately interested in getting the kids asleep before too late (and deadline).

so has everyone voted?

I haven't. What's the vote count right now?

Hoops -1 MT (2878)
Abe -4 Jackal (2853), Dubb (2854), Poli (2913), PF (2917)
Lathum 1- Hoops (2866)
DT -1 Saldana (2923)
Dubb-2 Autumn (2941),abe ( 2950)

I am going off hoops last count and making the few changes but I think this is correct

What do you make of Jackal's suggestion that he has an independent role, seemingly backed up by Saldana?

I don't like having 5 candidates this late in the game. I'll be back later.

I vaguely recall Jackals statement but don't recall anything about it from Saldana


I agree, it's weird

Another possibility is there is something in either Hoops or CR's roles to lead them to a false conclusion

I thought that would mean I'd be smoking weed and playing beach volleyball

So you don't drink but you smoke weed? Weird.

well since hoops-lathum isn't the way we are going today I am comfortable switching to abe if needed.

also discovered I don't have a backup laptop it appears

I'll be leaving for church in about 20 minutes. I don't see anything that compels me to change my vote.

why Abe, DT?

I'm not wild about these choices. dubb has always been one of the best voters for the village, and I haven't been reading Abe as a wolf at all.

I am going to go with my gut, independent role or not.

VOTE THE JACKAL

Plus, voting record, of course.

So not only does CR introduce a 6th candidate today, but he doesn't vote with his BFF hoops?

Something doesn't smell right

It amazes me that there are people out there who don't drink.

I love to drink.

Never drunk a drop of an alcoholic beverage in my life

Right. I knew that. The perplexing issue is that you don't drink yet have smoked weed?

Alcohol? No, thanks, nothing like that in my system.

Weed? Hand it over.

Color me confused. I actually think weed is the greater of the two "evils"...but, meh, your choice. I don't want to sound indignant, preachy, or whatever.

That said, I think I'm out until after deadline/church.

Abe I'm still confused about any role you could have. You took the one role I thought you might have and said you don't have it.

that is just so strange to me.

Now obviously everyone has their reasons, and I have the utmost respect for that. It's just so strange to me, I can't imagine not drinking, nor can I imagine my friends not drinking.

I think I am gonna start drinking right now

I didn't drink a drop until I was 27. I wish I never had.

Drink enough for both ofyou, Lathum!

Yeah, I really don't like these votes by DT and CR. Introduce a new candidate? That's as good as saying voting Abe, or just letting the wolves do what they wish.

Frankly, I think people should be worried that there was an easy pileup on Abe, and that now people say "I see no reason to move." I think we've got the wolves there, probably. Or staying away from it on fringe candidates so they can say they weren't voting out a villager.

It was a joke, I've never smoked weed either, calm down.

I think we should let Abe and Lathum ride at this point. I think both of their mysterious roles could be much clearer in another night or so.

I'm a pretty big guy. That's a lot.

When BK died, my role became meaningless.

I didn't drink until 22 or so (almost 26 now). My wife is Armenian, so I will drink at those parties / fun stuff which is fun, and occasionally some wine with my wife, but other than that I don't have the need for it. On my honeymoon I did have pina coladas, and daiquiris not stop though. But I love those for the sugar.

So hoops and CR, who have this connection are each casting wasted votes. Not sure what to make of that.

I can drink alot, but not tonight. I have to much work to do

vote count?

I'll work on the vote count.

Noticed that, did you?

I don't get it. How could your role be dependant on BK? I don't see how his role would relate to anything that would allow you to ID him on day 1.

Even if I didn't think Abe was the best choice, which I do, who would I move to at this point? Myself? I see no reason to do that, I know that I am a villager.

I never said his role would or did.