Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159285)

He means that if you're a villager you should already know if villagers get to PM and not need to be pondering it "out loud" in the game.

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159296)

Aren't we all (except the wolves) technically villagers? That's what I mean here, usually there aren't PM rights for people beyond the wolves unless there's lover roles or multiple wolf teams like we've seen in some games. If we've got some standard villager roles getting to be on a team and getting to PM, that seems to me to be a bonus for our overall win conditions. Can't speak to the random individual win conditions but also don't care about those in the grand scheme of things

I don't see the harm in that being "pondered out loud", nor I guess is it super relevant at this point how many wolves there are, especially since we don't know whether conversions are a possibility, though there's so much unknown that I'd expect it is under certain conditions

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3159313)

I like font as a possible cultist. I just don't see the wolf captain bring that loud and bold on day 0, and nobody else knew their alignment at that point

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159298)

Unless I'm misunderstanding and the "villager" led Burns team is something the village needs to deal with too? I suppose there aren't even win conditions listed in the rules now that I read back again

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3159321)

This makes me wonder if the people who broke the tie late are people that need to be considered.. Or the person the vote was moved off of. I can't think for the life of me what the motive for that would have been if nobody was going to die on night zero anyway.

I feel like a tie would have potentially revealed 2 roles, and one of those roles was protected.. Possibly by one of the captains.

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3159320)

The villagers *are* the Burns-led team. You seem to be suggesting some sort of inner circle? My understanding is that other than the colored roles, every player could have been on either team, and that every player was either drafted by the wolves or by the villagers. Are you suggesting that some subset of villagers could PM? Because I believe Burns "selected" all of the villagers.

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3159324)

My thought was that if a captain had a specific role in mind that they wanted to keep out of the spotlight, that that captain could have made a move to keep the role from being revealed, as some of these roles are pretty descriptive and the knowledge of who has one of the more powerful roles would have been a big deal for one team or the other.

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 3159309)

Let's follow that pondered out loud to its logical conclusion.

It is possible we could have lovers here? Sure! But what roles? This is a flavor-first game, right? It's not like Dallas and Bud are getting a little kinky behind the scenes, because they are from different shows. In fact, I don't know that any of these characters are from the same show either. And how could you plan to have lovers for the village if people that are lovers could be drafted by the wolves? That makes no sense. So the only way a lovers-esque role that would work for the village is a post-draft one that connected someone. But who would that make sense for? Jeffrey Murdock's "loyalty?" I feel like that 's a reach. At best, I think any musings on villagers with PMs is just chipping at a wall made of adamantium with a toothbrush, barring some sort of something that we see to suggest it.

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159329)

Either I confused myself with semantics or I'm on some different page - are we considering the Burns led team to be essentially another team that the rest of us need to eliminate in addition to the wolves? Maybe it was the green coloring, but it seemed to me this is a "good guy" team, why is it weird to suggest they are able to PM?

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159282)

EagleFan - Can you elaborate at all on Klink's power? "The first vote against him on any day will result in him learning the role of the player who voted against him." Does that mean the first of ANY vote? Or the first vote that's still counted at the end of the game (thus not unvoted)?

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159296)

Aren't we all (except the wolves) technically villagers? That's what I mean here, usually there aren't PM rights for people beyond the wolves unless there's lover roles or multiple wolf teams like we've seen in some games. If we've got some standard villager roles getting to be on a team and getting to PM, that seems to me to be a bonus for our overall win conditions. Can't speak to the random individual win conditions but also don't care about those in the grand scheme of things

I don't see the harm in that being "pondered out loud", nor I guess is it super relevant at this point how many wolves there are, especially since we don't know whether conversions are a possibility, though there's so much unknown that I'd expect it is under certain conditions

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3159335)

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3159332)

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3159324)

My thought was that if a captain had a specific role in mind that they wanted to keep out of the spotlight, that that captain could have made a move to keep the role from being revealed, as some of these roles are pretty descriptive and the knowledge of who has one of the more powerful roles would have been a big deal for one team or the other.

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159282)

EagleFan - Can you elaborate at all on Klink's power? "The first vote against him on any day will result in him learning the role of the player who voted against him." Does that mean the first of ANY vote? Or the first vote that's still counted at the end of the game (thus not unvoted)?

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3159313)

I like font as a possible cultist. I just don't see the wolf captain bring that loud and bold on day 0, and nobody else knew their alignment at that point

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159338)

Well if we have a wolf team and a village team (plus a neutral individual I guess, if that role isn't one of the two not in the game?) then everybody are pretty much either wolves or villagers. Thus if you don't know if the villagers can PM, then you're not a villager.. 'cause you should know if you can PM or not, right? Unless you were specifically talking about some subset of the villagers, which may be what you've been trying to say in later posts? I actually got somewhat confused..

Originally Posted by britrock88 (Post 3159348)

Applying some pressure. Telle, I've taken my cursor off you, but grace us with a vote, would you? :)

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3157892)

Roles

Not all roles may be in the game.


Larry Dallas - The consummate playboy, always looking to get lucky. He may choose someone each night to seduce, this will prevent that person from performing any actions.

Terri Alden - She's not helping people any more. This nurse has now become a mistress of pain... and death. While she seems mild mannered and sweet, below the surface lies a monster. Any night attack on her will result in the death of the person performing the attack. Be warned, she may think that an attempt to scan or help is an attempted attack. Any other targetting of her will result in the player not having their ability the next day/night.

Major Frank Burns - This ferret will try to tattle on anyone. Each night he may scan another player to find out if that player is up to no good. He wants to tattle on them but he knows that everyone is out to get him. Instead of tattling he may make a one time night attack of a player that he has previously scanned. Once using that attack he loses scan ability. Oh, and he is a little paranoid so his scans may not always be accurate.

Natalie Green - Tired of being the nice girl, always letting everyone run her over. That stops now.

Irwin "Skippy" Handelman - Always love-sick for anyone that looks his way. He has gotten over Mallory by latching on to anyone that looks his way. This means that anyone that looks his way cannot get rid of him. If he is scanned at night he will annoy the scanner so much that any subsequent scan by that player during the game will result in an opposite scan of what it would have been.

Colonel Wilhelm Klink - No one will pull the wool over his monocle again. He now rules with an iron fist. The first vote against him on any day will result in him learning the role of the player who voted against him.

Les Nessman - Always the newsman, he is looking for a scoop under ever rock. Les may follow one person each night to see what that person was up to. He may not always see it exactly right as he has never been quite right since that turkey incident.

Rosalind "Roz" Russell - Ready with a sarcastic remark at all times. Also the most loyal person you may find. She will lay it all on the line for whomever she aligns with. She may protect someone each night, only she will know the exact details of how that will work.

Vinton Harper - Not the brightest bulb in the box. His abilities are unknown, maybe even to him.

Potsie Weber - An outcast with a big heart. At least that is how he appears to everyone, the truth is much darker...

Samuel "Screech" Powers - The nerd of the group. Always the outcast. Always trying to fit in. May be a deviant but always a friendly one. Will try to date someone each night only to annoy them for the night. The problem is, he can be easily distracted and may stray from his original target because someone else smiled at him.

Bud Bundy - Grandmaster B to his friends. He will be the life of the party, in his own mind. Tries to fit in with the others but sticks to himself in reality. May develop abilities depending on his alignment.

Wayne Arnold - Always the bullying big brother. He will find someone to do his bidding.

Mel Sharples - Make no mistake, he is in charge.

Jeffrey Murdock - A very odd bird, yet loyal. He has many theories about life as we know it. Beware the giggle loop and the melty man.

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3159245)

My thoughts on the roles...


Larry Dallas - Typical role blocker. Probably not a high priority for wolves.

Terri Alden I'm presuming from the coloring is neutral, did EF say the neutral got to draft anyone? Could kill a wolf, so good to keep around if we can.

So Burns can scan but not reveal his scans, is that everyone's take? But can make a one-time kill. So we want to keep him alive long enough to find a wolf. Or a supposed one, since his scan isn't 100%

Natalie - I assume the night kill is her special move.

Skippy - Adds to the unreliability of scans, meaning we need to focus on other intelligence.

Klink - Might be a high target for both teams to draft.

Nessman - Not clear how much detail Les gets from following someone. Typically would just be that they had a night action. Again, an unreliable one, so not too much use.

Roz - Some type of bodyguard, high priority draft for either side really, but more likely villagers.

Harper - completely mystery. Probably not a wolf priority.

Potsie Weber seems worrisome, maybe a vigilante, with a one-time kill? Someone the wolves might try to draft.

Both Screech and Bud say "always trying to fit in", which seems important somehow. Another role blocker? But unreliable.

Not sure what Bud's writeup would mean. Unfortunately, since I was hoping we'd find a role we could use to confirm allegiance somehow.

Wayne Arnold - moves a vote I assume?

Mel Sharples - probably a duke role

Murdock - Again the phrase "loyal". Does this mean that we have a conversion mechanic at play?


If I had to guess what the wolves might have prioritized, I'd say Klink, Potsie, Mel and Wayne. In a small game controlling even one vote could be a game changer, as would an extra kill, and knowing roles would be very helpful for the wolves. Though thinking on the second level, captain might have mixed it up to throw us off the path. How many wolves do we think? Two or three? If there's a possibility of conversion, which I think is likely, probably just two.

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159340)

Yet to vote: cheekimonk, tarcone, The Jackal, Chief Rum, Telle, mauchow

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 3159246)

Autumn, fontisian, I was looking at the roles last night and trying to figure out, if I was Nat, who'd I'd draft, and I think there are two ways and two strategies to do it.

1). Go for the night-win. Draft two roles you think would really help, and then go for wins with the various decisions and such

2). Go for thread-play. Grab two roles you think have little value and won't be hunted much in thread. Then try to win here.


And I suppose #3, try to balance it.

If I were Natalie the head bad, I think I'd go the thread-play route and grad weaker roles, in order to push things around, but I could see folks doing the other as well, you know?

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159353)

Ok, I'm going with fontisian. Mostly because I don't want to bandwagon on The Jackal.

Have we speculated yet on whether or not fontisian might actually BE Klink? All that voting could just be a distraction. She can't vote for herself, so it wouldn't diminish her ability. But then there's still the question of would Klink be a villager or a wolf?

Well sorry to vote and run, but as I mentioned just previously I may not be around again before deadline.

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3159297)

Could there be 3 teams or would that be too much? We have a brown, a green and a red name in post 3. Surely there is a reason for that.

Maybe there is a small batch of characters that have motives completely ulterior to sussing out wolves or killing off villagers.

I think we really have to consider that we only truly know ourselves and what we can do, and we know that JAG is Bud Bundy and he may have allegiance to any of potentially 3 teams.

I'm eager to hear font's explanation for her odd vote habits which have at this point resulted in no vote for day 1. Still some other people yet to check in today as well, I'd like their take on the current state of affairs as well.