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larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:28 AM

That's certainly not the US athlete I expected to get picked.

larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:29 AM

Oh, and I updated the first post and added a listing of picks by category at the bottom, so you can see what countries have been taken in each category.

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:30 AM

I don't know... when you consider his levels of excellence in so many different sports and the fact that he was able to accomplish so much and retire at a young age and -still- be one of the greatest ever statistically speaking... that to me is the very definite of an athlete.

Versatility. Success. Immortality. All in one package.

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2019812)
In a good way or bad way? :D


In a bad way. I think there are WAY better athletes that personify the nation. Jesse Owens, Mark Spitz and Mary Lou Retton come to mind.

larrymcg421 05-13-2009 12:33 AM

But just think, Izulde's nation will be the home of some classic blaxploitation films.

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:33 AM

dola- there's also the Jordan and Woods guys

Lathum 05-13-2009 12:34 AM

I also think it's to early to take an athlete, there's a ton of depth there.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019821)
I also think it's to early to take an athlete, there's a ton of depth there.


I congree

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019818)
In a bad way. I think there are WAY better athletes that personify the nation. Jesse Owens, Mark Spitz and Mary Lou Retton come to mind.


Yeah, those are the type of athletes I figure would be going. But the reason I somewhat disagree with those is because they're specific to something that happens only every four years and is limited to one sport and ones that furthermore get little attention outside of the Olympics.

Izulde 05-13-2009 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019820)
dola- there's also the Jordan and Woods guys


I considered Jordan, but the demonstrated multi-sport excellence of Brown swayed me.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 05:27 AM

What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 05:28 AM

Also in terms of American economists Milton Friedman is better than Galbraith. Hell I'd have taken Steven Levitt over Galbraith because I think more people would have heard of him.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 05:33 AM

I do love the Marx pick BTW. Clearly an incredibly important economist.

Alan T 05-13-2009 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019857)
What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.



In my mind this was the clear #1 athlete pick for the U.S. if not a pretty strong one worldwide. I agree with others that the combination of picking an athlete this early and picking a lesser choice from the country is a bad combination.

I love the Adam Smith pick, much more than the Karl Marx praise going around recently. (Even though Marx was a strong pick in a weak category).

I also love the Ghandi pick. When people in the U.S. think of civil rights leaders, they tend to relate that directly to African Americans and their struggles to try to be equal. There are so many minority groups out there, I am really interested to see where people go with that (including civil rights that aren't just about race).

Anyways, great idea for a draft, and I'll be reading along as best as I can, as this is very interesting to me.


Edit: I meant to also mention as far as Athlete goes, I think a close second to Thorpe would have been Jesse Owens (which I think someone else mentioned). He was an amazing athlete in many different fields, but where he accomplished it and when is just as important and probably trumps Thorpe there.

Izulde 05-13-2009 06:14 AM

*sigh* Aight so I fucked up my draft again... and in the second round to boot. :(

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 06:20 AM

Izulde, to be honest with you I'm having trouble coming up with my next pick, so don't feel too bad. All of the big names left on my board are in categories where I have several very solid alternatives who I can see slipping. The categories where I don't have nearly the bench depth all are people who are second (or even fourth) tier names.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 06:21 AM

DOLA - In other words don't feel bad :)

Alan T 05-13-2009 06:27 AM

I agree, don't feel bad. I apologize if my wording was harsh. I can only imagine it is so tough to try to think of so many world wide categories and then try to rank them, and on top of that try to prioritize them based on when to pick them. That is why it is fun for me to watch, I don't have to do the picking, I can just be a backseat driver :)

Izulde 05-13-2009 06:33 AM

Thanks guys :)

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019858)
Also in terms of American economists Milton Friedman is better than Galbraith. Hell I'd have taken Steven Levitt over Galbraith because I think more people would have heard of him.


I guess that all depends on the circles you run in. I feel good about Galbraith - he served in the administration's of 4 different presidents, from both parties. clearly the guy has the political saavy to be my chief economist, and i like his policies

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 07:37 AM

I'm not knocking Galbraith. He's a giant of the field. I just think his name recognition will hurt you with the voters.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 07:42 AM

The more I think about this draft, the more I appreciate the Red Baron as a pick.

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019928)
I'm not knocking Galbraith. He's a giant of the field. I just think his name recognition will hurt you with the voters.


I'm not going for name-recognition...I think that's a poor way to try to "game" these drafts if you will. I think I've shown that fairly consistently with some of my picks in past drafts.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019857)
What about Jim Thorpe then? There was a guy who could play more than one sport.


I woulda chosen Thorpe from US atheletes.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2019877)
Izulde, to be honest with you I'm having trouble coming up with my next pick, so don't feel too bad. All of the big names left on my board are in categories where I have several very solid alternatives who I can see slipping. The categories where I don't have nearly the bench depth all are people who are second (or even fourth) tier names.


I agree. The obvious names are out. My next pick is to go for someone not anywhere near the level of fame others have or someone not nearly with the impact others have, you know?

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019940)
I'm not going for name-recognition...I think that's a poor way to try to "game" these drafts if you will. I think I've shown that fairly consistently with some of my picks in past drafts.


I do appreciate that.

Coffee Warlord 05-13-2009 08:04 AM

Rather surprised I nabbed Einstein. Wheeeeee!

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 08:07 AM

Einstein was the last of teh big names I think.

lordscarlet 05-13-2009 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2019829)
Yeah, those are the type of athletes I figure would be going. But the reason I somewhat disagree with those is because they're specific to something that happens only every four years and is limited to one sport and ones that furthermore get little attention outside of the Olympics.


I know we settled down on this, but I think the key is national recognition in a nation building draft. Jim Brown was a star in a uniquely American sport.


On another note, I think Jesus has been picked (in some fashion) in something like 3 of the last 4 drafts. :)

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 08:24 AM

No drafting of jesus/god/the bible in my draft, i'm sure.

Noop 05-13-2009 08:47 AM

2.8 King Solomon - Justice Minister - Pre-20th Century - Israel

Coffee Warlord 05-13-2009 08:51 AM

Another unexpected one, but an awesome pick for the category.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop (Post 2020029)
2.8 King Solomon - Justice Minister - Pre-20th Century - Israel


Whoah

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 09:01 AM

well done noop

Danny 05-13-2009 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019989)
No drafting of jesus/god/the bible in my draft, i'm sure.


Oh we'll see about that.

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:02 AM

I totally didn;t see that, and I really, really like it. Good job Noop

Danny 05-13-2009 09:03 AM

Yeah good pick noop

Danny 05-13-2009 09:04 AM

I just hope Judge Dredd makes it to my pick

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:05 AM

Heh

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:11 AM

C'Mon BK. I'm ready as soon as you go. Boom. One-two, one-two

Coffee Warlord 05-13-2009 09:12 AM

I've got 6 picks in the hopper. One of them needs to last till my next one, dammit. :)

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:13 AM

I just hope Bk doesn't take the one i want, but unlike DT, I have a backup ;)

Danny 05-13-2009 09:13 AM

I'm drafting as I go, I have not come up with a list for each spot yet. Maybe later today.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 09:34 AM

Ok. The air cateogry has completely flummoxed me. I can't come up with a name of anyone that someone might have heard of that isn't German or American. Not wanting to lose America, I'm making my pick. I'm guessing this is going to be a Jim Brown sort of pick where others give me all sorts of ideas I didn't think about. However, many of the famous pilots weren't military pilots and that didn't seem in keeping with the draft.

I select John Glenn - Air Chief
Glenn, in adition to being the third person to orbit Earth, was a top notch test pilot, even helping to break the sonic barrier. In his later life he became a US Senator. Glenn would have both the political and practical expertise to make sure this nation had a superior air ability.

Barkeep49 05-13-2009 09:34 AM

Forgot to mention, he's United States 20th Century.

DaddyTorgo 05-13-2009 09:35 AM

kickass - way to go john glenn!

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:35 AM

Marco Polo, Chief Diplomat, Italy, Pre-20th

Coffee Warlord 05-13-2009 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2020091)
I select John Glenn - Air Chief
Glenn, in adition to being the third person to orbit Earth, was a top notch test pilot, even helping to break the sonic barrier. In his later life he became a US Senator. Glenn would have both the political and practical expertise to make sure this nation had a superior air ability.


You ass. EXACTLY the same direction I was gonna go here.

Surtt 05-13-2009 09:37 AM

2.11 Napoleon Bonaparte, Army Chief, France, pre-20th

Abe Sargent 05-13-2009 09:39 AM

Nappy is a solid choice here.


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