wait... my count can't be right. That's only 9 players.

*flips coin*


VOTE LSG

Gah, my mind went elsewhere and I forgot why the vote went to a tie!

Don't you know exactly the same information as Chief?

SOrry LSG, I literally just flipped a coin, I can't base it on anything factual and we can't have another tie.

It's not looking random at this point.

Everthing RendeR's said about Chief tonight has been very odd and evasive. But they can't both be teammate baddies again, right?

I am unable to confirm nor deny anything specific, I'm sorry.

Are you saying you got a scan result? And a positive one on CR or Render?

I'll say this, we weren't exactly chatterboxes in PMs. Not much discussion. We were both confused as to whether we had a night kill, and deduced we did from indications we received from EF, both privately and in the thread.

I have a gag order, and even saying that is probably going to get me yelled at.

I never got the result of my scan.

It sure seems like they could. That is why I've kept my vote on Chief today. The reluctance to out his partner could be related to the fact that they're still partners. Otherwise, I'm in the dark why he or RendeR would be so wary of telling us anything.

I don’t know how to reassure any of you that I’m a vanilla wolf but I am. Hopefully you all learn something from this killing

[b]Unvote henry 296

Vote chief rum/B]

??? So Chief doesn't have a gag order but you do? That's odd to say the least.

I'd suggest a move from LSG to Chief myself, but people gotta do their thing.

Render, can you actually confirm CRs side of things?

In fairness, I'd say CR has come forward with his neck on the line.

For the team.

I checked my PM to confirm. I did not have a gag order.

CR unvoting... probably indicates he's vanilla wolf and is willing to be LSG is a wolf, too?

I can confirm that nothing I've seen him post is a lie.

WTF? You're TRYING to create a tie? I need to re-read the ruleset.. is there a role that thrives on chaos?

Don't know if LSG is good or bad. But I am not going to allow a tie.

What the hell just happened?

I am so confused...

Getting the vote totals together.

There’s clearly some kind of mechanism in this game that rewards ties

Apparently EF got tired of all my questions and told me to shut up LOL

Maybe someone wins something special if we get two or three ties in a row

I'm thinking based on votes LSG is lynched tonight?

:D

I don't know what's going on, but assuming I am done, good luck lol

Sorry, off a late family call just catching up. So thought it was about to end up tied and you would have made my week.... :D

This is worth remembering

DOH!

Umm... what?

Best of luck wolves.

Shit, Sorry CR!

Oh christ.....

Well, that sucked.

Indeed.

OK, gotta get some actual work done, back later....

You REALLY need to explain yourself. I'm going to bed now so I'll read the explanation tomorrow... but really, WTF? You KNOW that ties can be very very bad. And it really looks like you actively moved your vote to henry to allow a situation to happen that would give you the ability to create a tie at the last second. Thankfully Chief was the self-sacrificing type. Who knows what the hell would have happened otherwise (well, maybe you know)

I am absolutely convinced there's a mechanism that rewards ties at this point... which means you presumably know that pretty well Telle considering you triggered it N1?

My bad reads were on lsg and my good reads on chief. No tie mechanism that I am aware of. I assume the 3 howls meant a protect order of some sort is in play but who knows.

I don't see how we can't at least start down the LSG and timmae line of questioning tomorrow, but I'm open to somebody else trying to make sense of what just happened... with 2 of the 4 that claimed confirmed vanilla, LSG and GE aren't looking great right now.

I'm very interested to go back and look at when timmae posted and about what now. Given the known effect of a tie, I just don't understand that vote at the end.

I just went back and looked through the last page... I can think of 2 reasonable scenarios at this point

1) timmae is trying to watch the world burn and create ties
2) timmae and LSG are teammates and baddies

I mean 2 feels too good to be true this early, but I'm struggling to come up with anything else reasonable. Anyone got a better read?

I could be way off but I don't like anyone sitting on LSG. Chief seemed to be vanilla wolf at worst a baddie at best. I had autumn, chief, render, ge and bhlloy on my good list. I want to here from render and my suspicion lies with him and whoever voted on lsg. Just my gut feel right now.

You are starting to look suspicious bhlloy. I guarantee 100% i am not a baddie. I would recommend you look elsewhere unless you are on the bad side. Then try ro railroad me.

why RendeR?

vote LSG

One of the more no-brainer votes I'll have I think, pending new information

He could have helped the village but didnt.. i will reread but i dont remember him backing chief hard. If they were both wolves now that would be a team that would fight hard together.

Sorry.. wolves in lieu of village. You get my drift.

I confirmed everything that I knew to be true. Not sure where you get anything else from my posts.

Try not to Drift, this game is confusing enough.

assuming you are talking D2, why would they fight hard together? RendeR presumably had no idea what CR was at that point. Don't get where you are going here at all.

This.


I have no idea what CR was until he was killed after the flip on night 1. I did not want to play into whatever scheme he had going. Turns out there was no scheme and I was wrong, sort of, I voted for LSG.

Ok, after sleeping on it and thinking things through I think we (wolfies) are in pretty good shape. Really good shape if we have a seer and some info. Worst case in my mind is that render is a wise wolf and picked me to look at. At any rate, we are down to 8. Hopefully at worst we have 3 villagers or 2 villagers and 2 vamps. Since no one has any info on vamps (even a villager who was a vamp D1 would likely indicate their presence since they also need to get rid of the vamps to win) maybe we have 3 villagers. It is likely 5 against 3 unless existence of a vamp is exposed. It would be crazy if both vamps stayed vamps. If villager seeking revenge is in play then after tonight we could be down to 3 against 2. Then after N3 we would be 1 to 0. Win. Am I an idiot or are we ok?

Note, my two solids are no longer here but I have a small trust group in lsg, telle and ge right now.

My evil empire group right now consists of render, bhlloy, brit and henry.

I could still be an idiot though so let's discuss all of this.

Wait, maybe N3 it is 2 to 1 and D4 it would be a win?

Oh, and sorry chief... you deserved to live but at least we didn't lose a strength role.

So, still not even a whiff of explanation from timmae on that attempt to create a tie last night. It's obvious to me that it was intentional. He moved his vote over to someone with no votes, but didn't give any big push for others to follow his lead. I actually forgot about that vote and focused on the existing tie, thinking RendeR had the deciding vote. RendeR then voted for LoneStarGirl. At 9:59 timmae suddenly moved his vote to Chief, creating a tie, with no explanation. If Chief hadn't self-sacrificed, who knows where we'd be right now?

Maybe I shouldn't harp on this so much since I created the first tie and so people may think I'm in on whatever nefarious thing went on last night, but timmae's move last night was seriously messed up and I can see zero reason for him doing it that would be on the side of good.

Also let's not lose sight of RendeR's "gag order". Chief said he had no such order himself. We learned that Chief was a good guy, so he had no reason to lie about anything he said. If RendeR's still a bad guy, him letting there be suspicion on Chief works in his favor.

If I didn't move my vote to chief then it would have been chief's unvote that created a tie. Both occurred simultaneously and I actually expected some other last minute snipping to occur also.

My move to henry at 8:46pm was an attempt to allow people to move off of chief for an option other than lsg if they wanted. henry was an unknown and suspect in my mind at that point. Telling people to move at that point would be excuses for baddies that could have shifted onto a henry-wolf at that point of chief was lying about his villager role. No one moved so I moved back to what I then assumed was a worst case vanilla wolf in chief. Chief exposed a possible villager RendeR at 8:36pm but RendeR's weird response came at 8:53pm, probably too late to get a railroad going on him.

I seriously can't wait for EF's recap of this whole mess... gotta know his thoughts on what he's created!

That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would a vanilla wolf purposely create a tie? Especially after we saw the mess the first one caused after D1? Him unvoting was him self-sacrificing to disable the tie you created. Chief's posts #522 and #527 confirm this, and as a vanilla wolf he had zero reason to lie.

And just in case you want to claim that Chief unvoted before you voted... You first moved your vote to create the tie in #515, but messed up the formatting. He saw your vote move, and unvoted LSG in #518, thus putting himself in the lead. You then fixed your formatting in #520. It's not certain but is likely that EF would have allowed the #515 vote to stand if it was pointed out to him since it's obvious you were trying to make it bold but just had a typo.

Truly I thought that Chief and RendeR were still playing some shenanigans of some sort. Maybe both being bad and trying to lure our seer was a thought as well as a contained wolf possibility. Not sure any of it makes sense now but I sure as heck didn't expect chief to claim something with 30 minutes to go that he easily could have claimed when questioned very early in the day. We'll see what chief's reasoning is for stating he would not out anyone else (post #394) and then doing just that late in the day.

I totally get why people would question the heck out of my play this game, you all should. We need discussion to win this.

A series of unfortunate events.


It was actually 5-4 at this point. But is a little typo like that going to lead to anything serious?


Oh. Hmm. We get a rationale for the vote change. This ties the count up at 4-4-1, though timmae might think it's 4-3-1 based on the tally.


This puts LSG back in the lead at 5-4-1. Or 5-3-1 if you didn't look at Telle's tally closely.


This vote misfires because the missing bracket means the vote isn't bolded--it's still 5-4-1 LSG. But if you read the words and (not unreasonably) assume it counts, you may think it's now 5-5 or 5-4 LSG.


CR nobly self-sacrifices... prematurely. This unvote actually ties the tally at 4-4-1. But the cascade of little slip-ups means he could see this as making it 5-4 CR.


Timmae makes it count this time, and the tally has now actually flipped to 5-4 CR.

Deadline comes, CR's good, etc.


About an hour deadline, timmae comes up with this stunner. It's a 180 from the indications he gave in his voting pattern.

Haven't heard much of anything from henry, GE, or LSG since deadline. Timmae's chaotic evening sticks out the most to me at this point, but I'm willing to pay closer attention to the silent types as the day goes on.

VOTE timmae

I think brit is a good player and this post smells very wolfy to me. I'd love your take on render brit, if nothing more than to create leads for future days. I already explained the last bit that you say is a 180 degree turn and I think a good brit picks up on this type of thing usually. I think he is trying to build a case I am bad, which I will again state that I am not.

I'm gonna step back for a bit because I do not want to monopolize this for everyone... I feel like my play may have done just that and have to rethink how I play in the future. However, I will be reading intently and will respond to any questions asked.

We had 4 people claim vanilla wolf immediately and 2 are now dead. I'm guessing 4-5 vanilla wolves is all we have. Therefore, I find it unlikely that only the vanilla wolves claimed it. Since GoldenEagle was the next to jump on the bandwagon once he saw the trend, I'm starting with him as my 1st suspect.

Vote GoldenEagle

Well I'm seeing three areas of great suspicion that should be investigated:
1. timmae's last-minute tie making maneuvers last night
2. RendeR and his "gag order"
3. The remaining pool of "vanilla wolf" claimers, GoldenEagle and LoneStarGirl

And apparently I'm not the only one thinking along these lines, at least partially, since all four of them are the current recipients of votes, with one apiece.

I know I am a vanilla wolf. And I do believe that there is one more out there besides myself, but I think that person is keeping it quiet.

vote Goldeneagle

I think Bitrock has the right of it on Timmae. His reasoning is flimsy at best but his actual maneuvers look very distinctly to be caging a wolf.

VOTE TIMMAE

Thinking of pulling some post content summaries together.

GE, LSG, and Telle with no votes.

Going by remaining players in ascending order of posts. First up is GoldenEagle.

Noteworthy posts:









His most consistent negative read has been on LSG. (Have to say I'm enjoying the family dynamics in this game!)

Voted bhlloy while he was absent, but dinged Telle for defending making the same vote.

The most interesting thing to me is that he hasn't had all that much to say about being the D1 seer. I did inquire, and he said he didn't get a result, but that's all we know.

Next up is henry296.








Useful speculation about the distribution of players in the game, which I always appreciate.

Talks about avoiding voting out an inactive player, but changes direction and votes bhlloy.

Draws a distinction between himself and Telle/Render initially in terms of how D1 transpired, but comes around to seeing himself on the same side of things as Render.

LoneStarGirl is next to round out the 25-30 post group.









Another absentee non-voter turned voter. Funny.

Has a read on CR's Day 2 reveal that has aged well, notwithstanding the vote on me :p .

Indicates that she was the town watch, reinforces the idea that N1 actions weren't processed in light of the tie.

Also has a fairly strong and consistent negative read on Telle. When I get to Telle, it might be worth pressing the tie creation, avoidance, and opinion points a little more.

I'm next, as one of two players right around 50 posts, but I'm certainly not qualified to read myself. :D

Taking a break before resuming with bhlloy.

I think I can’t get past what happened last night, and we have to have a read on LSG or Timmae to make sense of it. As LSG seems be Teflon still, I’ll go in the other direction. There’s just no defending his voting pattern last night IMO

Unvote LSG
Vote Timmae

No way that the villagers could be as gutsy to land all three of their votes on me. Something is off on my reads.

I could have sworn I voted for GoldenEagle a few hours ago. I remember because I heard a disgusted yell from the other room when he found out.

With so little info from today I am utterly confused. Brit and Bhlloy's questioning seem to indicate they may be wolves. Render's D2 I do not understand at all so my vote will stay there. EF has created a monster.

I am away for most, if not all of the remainder of the night. I am a wolf and you shouldn't lynch me but I get the mounting evidence I gave you all to do so. The only one I have a read on right now is GE as a wolf.

vote goldeneagle

since it got lost