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bhlloy 05-10-2017 02:06 PM

Would we be more comfortable trying to coax a few of the inactives out of their shell today instead then?

JAG 05-10-2017 02:19 PM

Partway through my day 1 read I looked back at D0 just to be sure. Basically nothing from Jackal, trying to point out some potential doubt with our seer scans and basically just going along with Autumn's idea.

JAG 05-10-2017 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3159675)
Would we be more comfortable trying to coax a few of the inactives out of their shell today instead then?


Well, we have a good bit of info to work with it seems, I just dont feel like I have a great handle on how to interpret some of what happened. I think it might be easier for me to make a list of people and put down thoughts on all of them, just not sure I have time for that.

But it would be nice if tarcone showed up or if he could get replaced if possible (Henry maybe?) just because he's only posted his D0 vote.

Telle 05-10-2017 02:41 PM

Well I don't want to vote and run like yesterday, so I'm going to put in my vote now with about twenty minutes before the end of my day. And like yesterday I don't know if I'll be back before deadline.

We have two players with votes, and I don't want to just bandwagon on fontisian, so it'll be mauchow. I've had limited time today to really tease apart everyone's posts so I'm not going to put forth a candidate on my own.. and mauchow's moves near deadline yesterday do leave me wondering (although I really need to go back and read through it all some more).

Telle 05-10-2017 02:42 PM

vote mauchow's

Telle 05-10-2017 02:42 PM

That's what I get for using copy-past... well just in case...

Telle 05-10-2017 02:42 PM

vote mauchow

Telle 05-10-2017 02:45 PM

Votes as of post #507:
4 fontisian - Autumn (466), cheekimonk (471), britrock88 (481), Abe Sargent (495)
2 mauchow - bllhoy (486), Telle (507)

Telle 05-10-2017 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159685)
Votes as of post #507:
4 fontisian - Autumn (466), cheekimonk (471), britrock88 (481), Abe Sargent (495)
2 mauchow - bllhoy (486), Telle (507)


Yet to vote: JAG, tarcone, mauchow, fontisian

fontisian 05-10-2017 03:34 PM

I told myself I wasn't going to be abrasive this game, but what the hell guys?

First of all, I'm obviously not with Jackal:
Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3159388)
I think Jackal is thinking about a town pming group because the idea came up in wolf chat and he feels like he has to talk about /something/.

The other possibility is that he's part of a small town group with pm abilities, which would suck, but in that case he'd have to be pretty crazy to bring it up of his own volition.


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159399)
Yeah.. I really felt forced to talk about something early in the day, this is probably the weakest case for voting me I've seen so far


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159400)
I was likely going to vote font anyways for self preservation but that post actually makes me feel much better about it


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159401)
vote font


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159402)
Plus the continued blatant disregard for the rules and no real explanation as to why..


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159404)
Though the klink targetting doesn't really smell of wolf, cam someone think of a reason why that would behoove them?


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159405)
Could see it being a neutral win condition ploy like getting scanned, or maybe klink and font are both wolves and font is skippy and wants to get the seer scan, but that's probably a bold move this early


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159408)
Or maybe font is klink, that'd be tricky except JAG probably accounted for that with his votes


Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3159419)
What disregard would that be, exactly?

Aldo, can I ask why you initially responded to my post without any issues with it and then changed your mind shortly afterwards?


Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3159434)
I mean, it does bother me, but if I flipped out every time it happened, I'd never have time for anything else.

Chief, look at Jackal's vote on me, please. The reasoning seems very lazy, though I am admittedly biased.


If you think Jackal and I decided to try to kill each other for no reason D1 and then I backed off afterwards, you're insane. Like, if I was going to take an out, I would have taken it when Chief popped in and called Jackal town instead of asking Chief to look at Jackal again for me and explaining my scumread.

Also, also, if I was scum with Jackal he probably would have noticed I was still voting for him and pm'd me so I could change it.

Second, mauchow is probably not scum:
Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow (Post 3159496)
I am a villager with a minor role so if it's me that's got to go I am okay with that, but it's semi disappointing at the same time.


Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow (Post 3159500)
I'd lean jackal before font...


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3159505)
i mean.. i kind of have to vote for you now mau


Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow (Post 3159506)
Don't vote me ffs

1. When he was under lynch pressure, he claimed a minor role, which would make him more likely to die at that time.
2. He decided to go for Jackal over me and I know I'm town.
3. That would be the weirdest interaction between scummates ever. What kind of wolf buddy says "don't vote me, ffs," and then does a bunch of weird vote shifts back and forth.

I'm reasonable certain mau is just a confused townie.

Fix your votes.

fontisian 05-10-2017 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3159430)
I doubt she would be offended, anymore than you are. But thought I should throw it out there.

Thoughts on the two vote leaders...

I think the Jackal roll up is built on pretty flimsy evidence from his post. His post actually brought up to my mind the possibility of an inner circle villager team, something I hadn't considered.

But I don't see going after font as the right way either. She may indeed be a wolf but she is clearly thinking proactively and forcing action, which she started doing on Day 0, likely before she knew her allegiance. I don't see much value in removing her from the game at this point.

Instead, I will focus my vote on a third option, so that we can get more vote info from this one down the line.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3159436)
The four one votes are britrock, Autumn, tarcone and myself. I'm not voting myself and tarcone is newer to WW games, I believe (and has been quiet), so I don't want to push him out yet.

That leaves britrock and Autumn. JAG voted brit and JR voted Autumn. On the basis of JAG being the more experienced player, I will roll with his instinct here for now.


I'm going to vote Chief. I think a wolf in his position would want to create another wagon, hence Chief going after someone who already has a vote, but not go after me as I already had a wolf in Jackal voting on me. Creating another wagon obfuscates the votes and makes in less likely that it will come down to a fight between me and Jackal.

He claimed he didn't want to vote for Jackal because the case against him was flimsy, then voted for brit because JAG voted there early on. This reasoning is far flimsier than the Jackal case, and Chief seemed to know it as he added "for now."

The "for now" also allows him to avoid some of the responsibility for his vote, should brit turn out to be town down the line. Add in that I've generally liked brit's content, and I think Chief is the best lynch for Today.

fontisian 05-10-2017 03:42 PM

Vote Chief Rum

fontisian 05-10-2017 03:47 PM

I don't like that Autumn is voting for me or that he started up the wagon mau either, but his reasoning for voting mau was better than Chief's for voting brit and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I think Telle is very likely town for pointing out the vote discrepancy and getting jackal killed.

bhlloy also gets the benefit of the doubt for voting Jackal.

Cheekimonk's point about wolves probably bussing Jackal is interesting, but probably wrong, and thus his vote is null.

I think if there was a wolf voting me besides the Jackal, it was almost certainly Abe, as his tunnel on me is past the point of absurdity. I would look at him after killing Chief, as if Chief is a wolf, he would definitely be reluctant to join a wagon that already has two of his partners on it.

I actually really like what JAG's doing, but it's JAG, so I can't clear him off of it.

fontisian 05-10-2017 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekimonk (Post 3159600)
Same here. Obvious wolf was obvious.

Also, I'll point out that Autumn and cheekimonk are never both wolves, as if cheekimonk is a wolf, then this is an attempt to interact with a villager. I don't think he says this if he's Autumn's partber.

fontisian 05-10-2017 03:50 PM

Lmao, they shot Chief, I am an idiot.

fontisian 05-10-2017 03:50 PM

Unvote
Vote Abe Sargent

fontisian 05-10-2017 03:51 PM

Ahaha, I was thinking about all these worlds and what it means if he's mafia, and this probably looks fake, bluh.

fontisian 05-10-2017 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3159672)
I feel like I need to take a step back here. Things I'm thinking of include:

Did the wolves know we were working with a borked vote count? My suspicion is not based on how Jackal reacted to mau's vote moving around towards the end.

Were the wolves in 'save him' mode or 'look good when he dies' mode?

I read back over the first part of day 1. I'd like to hear from font why she went with her plan of trying to nullify Klink's role but didn't vote / unvote for about five players that could possibly be Klink. Reading the start of D1, bhlloy and Julio floated my name as a possible vote and Abe actually pushed back a little on them, which I read as more a villager move than wolf. I still need to read back and think on things some more.

I just lost a post, ffs. Here we go again.

Jag, those five were already voted by someone else, so me voting them d0 was pointless and d1 would have given more info.

With chief cleared, I suspect Autumn was a wolf trying to make a competing wagon, (though it would have been easier to build up the wagon on brit, which is weird). I think he should know better than to be voting for me now. Also, if I were on the wolf team and deciding who to brutal, I would always go for JAG and Autumn before Chief, and JAG's role was known, which left Autumn as the obvious target. Maybe I'm overestimating him though.

I wanted to say something else, but I forgot what it was.

EagleFan 05-10-2017 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3159691)
Vote Chief Rum


Let him rest in peace... :D

fontisian 05-10-2017 04:07 PM

Oh, yeah, my reason for voting Abe and why I think wolves probably didn't bus. I feel like he's just not thinking about the game critically, like he latched onto something I did /before I even knew my alignment/ and has just kept rolling with it because it's easy. Plus the post he made yesterday about how voting lurkers is a good idea felt like he was trying to get into that person's (I forget who and I'm on my phone so I can't check easily) good graces.

I think wolves didn't bus much so much as distance, because most people called Jackal out but very few voted and I'm townreading most of the ones who did independently. Also, while I acknowledge that killing the brutal first is good for the wolf team, they still really don't want to kill him right away and would probably want to use him the cop or something through our nk protection. Plus, Jackal seemed to be trying pretty hard to live.

fontisian 05-10-2017 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3159700)
Let him rest in peace... :D

I figured it out, do not mock me.

EagleFan 05-10-2017 04:09 PM

Votes as of post 519

4 fontisian - Autumn (466), cheekimonk (471), britrock88 (481), Abe Sargent (495)
2 mauchow - bllhoy (486), Telle (507)
1 Abe Sargent - fontisian (516)

EagleFan 05-10-2017 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3159702)
I figured it out, do not mock me.


No mocking. Just found it to be funny for reasons I will share after the game.

mauchow 05-10-2017 04:13 PM

I think font is making good points. A lot Of times villagers start runs unknowingly on villagers , So that is what we could-be saying here too w runs on me and font. I've got a 2 he drive now so I will do my best and stop ocasionally.

mauchow 05-10-2017 04:34 PM

I would lean on voting For cheeki or tarcone.

Tarcone Because of no vote so far and very in active . Cheeky because a useless vote Yesterday ,

JAG 05-10-2017 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3159699)
I just lost a post, ffs. Here we go again.

Jag, those five were already voted by someone else, so me voting them d0 was pointless and d1 would have given more info.

With chief cleared, I suspect Autumn was a wolf trying to make a competing wagon, (though it would have been easier to build up the wagon on brit, which is weird). I think he should know better than to be voting for me now. Also, if I were on the wolf team and deciding who to brutal, I would always go for JAG and Autumn before Chief, and JAG's role was known, which left Autumn as the obvious target. Maybe I'm overestimating him though.

I wanted to say something else, but I forgot what it was.


The reason I am a little uneasy about Autumn is that he had the initial vote on Jackal but then switched it later and didn't revote him. He was also pushing Telle to break a tie between mau and Brit when it was 3-3-2 Brit-mau-Jackal, and one other had 2 I believe (can't read back now).

Having said that, the reason I liked him and followed him D1 is because he jumped on Jackal's comments right away. No one else had said anything about them and there had been some posts before that point.

Font, the issue I had with your not voting those others is that if your role is minor, then even if you're giving them more information, at least you'd still be protecting more important roles from voting those players with their first vote. Or you could've suggested I do it since my role was already revealed. That said, it's more a point of strategy than me thinking you're doing something shady. I also felt uneasy about Chief's reasoning for his vote yesterday, so I got where you were coming from.

fontisian 05-10-2017 04:41 PM

I would hope for a replacement on tarcone before lynching him.

Cheek is a good person to vote, though.

fontisian 05-10-2017 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3159711)
The reason I am a little uneasy about Autumn is that he had the initial vote on Jackal but then switched it later and didn't revote him. He was also pushing Telle to break a tie between mau and Brit when it was 3-3-2 Brit-mau-Jackal, and one other had 2 I believe (can't read back now).

Having said that, the reason I liked him and followed him D1 is because he jumped on Jackal's comments right away. No one else had said anything about them and there had been some posts before that point.

Font, the issue I had with your not voting those others is that if your role is minor, then even if you're giving them more information, at least you'd still be protecting more important roles from voting those players with their first vote. Or you could've suggested I do it since my role was already revealed. That said, it's more a point of strategy than me thinking you're doing something shady. I also felt uneasy about Chief's reasoning for his vote yesterday, so I got where you were coming from.

I kind of assumed you would just do it or it wasn't worth doing Today, sorry. It was mostly a laziness thing as I was pretty distracted. >_>

I really should be putting more effort in, sorry, sorry.

fontisian 05-10-2017 04:44 PM

JAG, why did you unvote Abe? Do you think he's town for some reason?

JAG 05-10-2017 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow (Post 3159708)
I would lean on voting For cheeki or tarcone.

Tarcone Because of no vote so far and very in active . Cheeky because a useless vote Yesterday ,


The minor thing I had as a plus for cheek's side is that they probably would not have wanted him to have an isolated vote on a guy they were going to reveal as villager. But I didn't think that Jackal probably thought he was safe last night, so that's pretty minor. His vote on Chief was when Jackal was in some trouble though I think, which would seem odd. I'd still like an explanation why he voted Chief.

JAG 05-10-2017 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3159714)
JAG, why did you unvote Abe? Do you think he's town for some reason?


Posts 180+181 I think, near when D1 started, he pushed back some on Julio and bhlloy talking about voting me. I'm not saying it's a great case, but I forgot that that made me feel a bit better about him. Although you've done that to me as a wolf. :). I still have to complete my look at D1, but I don't think Abe was around much after his vote on you.

mauchow 05-10-2017 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3159278)
This seems like the kind of thing a villager should know.


I would also consider voting autumn because of his un vote on jackal when he was the one that started the voting on jackal . It strikes to me as a ohcrap moment when your fellow Wolf is actually being piled on for votes for that reason. Like he called him out on it as a way to put a vote on a fellow wolf to look better down the road...but instead used flimsy reasoning to start a run on me.

mauchow 05-10-2017 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3159711)
The reason I am a little uneasy about Autumn is that he had the initial vote on Jackal but then switched it later and didn't revote him. He was also pushing Telle to break a tie between mau and Brit when it was 3-3-2 Brit-mau-Jackal, and one other had 2 I believe (can't read back now).

Having said that, the reason I liked him and followed him D1 is because he jumped on Jackal's comments right away. No one else had said anything about them and there had been some posts before that point.

Font, the issue I had with your not voting those others is that if your role is minor, then even if you're giving them more information, at least you'd still be protecting more important roles from voting those players with their first vote. Or you could've suggested I do it since my role was already revealed. That said, it's more a point of strategy than me thinking you're doing something shady. I also felt uneasy about Chief's reasoning for his vote yesterday, so I got where you were coming from.

Lol you said it better than me. I typed at stoplights...

JAG 05-10-2017 05:01 PM

Mau, I just don't think Autumn would have that same immediate reaction I had when I read it if he wasn't a villager.

I'm thinking cheek for now, but I'm not confident.

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow (Post 3159718)
I would also consider voting autumn because of his un vote on jackal when he was the one that started the voting on jackal . It strikes to me as a ohcrap moment when your fellow Wolf is actually being piled on for votes for that reason. Like he called him out on it as a way to put a vote on a fellow wolf to look better down the road...but instead used flimsy reasoning to start a run on me.


I've had that thought as well, FWIW

Font is playing the strangest game I've ever seen, screaming cultist or some hidden win mechanism to me

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:14 PM

I'm happy with my vote on mau right now just because it's already a bit of a runaway on day 1, I wish we could get some of these inactives and votes moved around a bit. If font is the lynch and shows clean (or at least not wolf) we're going to have very little to go on for day 3

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:14 PM

Sorry, I'm not as available as I hoped this afternoon, with rush work coming up at work.

I actually like Font's reply--as I said this morning, I wanted to put some pressure there and see what comes of it. My case for Font just comes out of wanting something useful to be in the end of the day voting, and some possible protection by Jackal seemed the most possible.

I was checking in mostly to say I won't have a lot of time tonight, so I'm not sure what I will do with my vote right now. I did my research this morning but only got back a few hours from the end of D1. Maybe someone can dig some more and give us stuff to work with.

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:15 PM

I'd also consider moving to cheekimonk or tarcone, just because I've always been a huge proponent of getting the inactives out of the way early even if it's just for the fun of the game

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:16 PM

Hmm, my Autumn as a possible wolf sensor is tingling...

mauchow 05-10-2017 05:16 PM

vote cheeki

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3159711)
The reason I am a little uneasy about Autumn is that he had the initial vote on Jackal but then switched it later and didn't revote him. He was also pushing Telle to break a tie between mau and Brit when it was 3-3-2 Brit-mau-Jackal, and one other had 2 I believe (can't read back now).

Having said that, the reason I liked him and followed him D1 is because he jumped on Jackal's comments right away. No one else had said anything about them and there had been some posts before that point.


Just to respond to the second point a bit -- I was pushing Telle at a point when I think we had three or four minutes left before deadline. I certainly wasn't going to recommend she make it 3-3-3 at that point. We needed to break the tie and she was the only one in thread who wasn't on one of those two leaders, I think. I believe I was pretty transparent in thread in that last half hour about being willing to vote wherever was needed to avoid shenanigans. But yes, I admit having moved off of Jackal is a point against me.

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3159694)
Lmao, they shot Chief, I am an idiot.


The funny thing is you had me halfway convinced.

mauchow 05-10-2017 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3159716)
The minor thing I had as a plus for cheek's side is that they probably would not have wanted him to have an isolated vote on a guy they were going to reveal as villager..


I just saw this for cheek..i can still see leaning that way tho w my vote on cheeki.

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159681)
Well I don't want to vote and run like yesterday, so I'm going to put in my vote now with about twenty minutes before the end of my day. And like yesterday I don't know if I'll be back before deadline.

We have two players with votes, and I don't want to just bandwagon on fontisian, so it'll be mauchow. I've had limited time today to really tease apart everyone's posts so I'm not going to put forth a candidate on my own.. and mauchow's moves near deadline yesterday do leave me wondering (although I really need to go back and read through it all some more).


I want to just push Telle into the fray a bit here. Not for today, since she's someone who won't be around at deadline. But looking back at her posts I'm struck by how they are mostly things like vote counts, rules clarifications, and then once a day a vague vote like this where she votes simply to avoid the bandwagon. Could be just a villager without a lot of time, but also could be a way to keep up post counts and be helpful without putting out any rope to hang yourself with.

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:28 PM

Obviously colored however by her spreadsheet work, which gives her a plus in the villager category. Just trying to go through and read some players who I didn't read this morning.

Just finished Abe. Pretty bland there -- tunneling on Font, for sure.

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:33 PM

I actually think Abe is a little bit fishy in #263-265

It's after Jackal gets heat for his PM statement, and it's a vague defense/misdirection and then he puts a vote on font.

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:33 PM

Finished reading Bhlloy. Day 1 was almost all rule speculation. But has been active today with some thoughts on votes. However, very broad. Says initially Font and Mau should be the focus, agrees with JAG about considering Abe, and then also suggests considering cheeki and tarcone for being quiet. And now me ;-) Quite a spread, though he put a vote early today.

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3159737)
I actually think Abe is a little bit fishy in #263-265

It's after Jackal gets heat for his PM statement, and it's a vague defense/misdirection and then he puts a vote on font.


I agree with vague. It seems like he's arguing against Jackal, but I don't think Jackal was talking about a lovers arrangement. But Abe's argument seems to convince himself that Jackal's not bad and he moves the vote, so I'm not clear what his thinking was. I could see that as misdirection without wanting to clearly defend Jackal.

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:37 PM

Similar from Autumn in #318 and then obviously moved the vote off Jackal later in the day. The question with Autumn is whether a wolf would be so brazen to start the run on a fellow wolf in the first place - maybe with the brutal ability that's a trade that would be considered

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:40 PM

Hey, just how my mind works. Don't hold it against me :)

I do think I'm going to switch to Abe here. I'm looking back at mauchow close the deadline and I just don't see a wolf there, I see an uncoordinated villager panicking.

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:41 PM

unvote mauchow

bhlloy 05-10-2017 05:41 PM

vote abe sargent

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:54 PM

I don't have a lot of time, and I don't feel like I found anything strong in my readings. Fontisian pings me better with her posts tonight, and my vote on her was not based on her but on Jackal's move. I think Mauchow had a weird last second vote switch but otherwise looks good, so I don't think that's a strong vote at this point.

I will move to Abe as the third candidate at this point. I can see the possibility of misdirection that bhlloy points out, and the tunnelling on Font is a typical wolf move of keeping the village fixated on one option. So could be something there. Only other option I'm feeling at this point is cheekimonk if we thought votes would put a fire under his ass.

Autumn 05-10-2017 05:55 PM

unvote font
vote abe

cheekimonk 05-10-2017 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow (Post 3159708)
I would lean on voting For cheeki or tarcone.

Tarcone Because of no vote so far and very in active . Cheeky because a useless vote Yesterday ,


I was down for the count yesterday. Had a doc appt in the afternoon that turned out needing a bunch of tests and drained me. In my defense, I said my vote on Chief was bait because we hadn't heard much from him. I just wasn't around to change it later.

cheekimonk 05-10-2017 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3159716)
The minor thing I had as a plus for cheek's side is that they probably would not have wanted him to have an isolated vote on a guy they were going to reveal as villager. But I didn't think that Jackal probably thought he was safe last night, so that's pretty minor. His vote on Chief was when Jackal was in some trouble though I think, which would seem odd. I'd still like an explanation why he voted Chief.


Delivered in my previous post

mauchow 05-10-2017 06:54 PM

unvote cheeki
Vote autumn

mauchow 05-10-2017 06:55 PM

An attempt to get a two person race. I don't believe font should be that 2nd person and obviously I don't want it to be me.

If tarcone is just playing quiet villager, that sucks. If he's playuing quiet wolf well, kudos...i guess.

cheekimonk 05-10-2017 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3159741)
Hey, just how my mind works. Don't hold it against me :)

I do think I'm going to switch to Abe here. I'm looking back at mauchow close the deadline and I just don't see a wolf there, I see an uncoordinated villager panicking.


I concur

fontisian 05-10-2017 07:10 PM

Sadly, I am at work until the deadline again. Really happy with most of the vote changes, and I think Autumn's joke about halfway buying the scumread on chief was pretty town, lol.

cheekimonk 05-10-2017 07:11 PM

I'm not comfy sticking with font. I'm not sure about Abe, but I like the call earlier on Autumn jumping off Jackal...

cheekimonk 05-10-2017 07:12 PM

unvote font
vote Autumn

EagleFan 05-10-2017 07:19 PM

Votes as of post 562

3 Abe Sargent - fontisian (516), bhlloy (552), Autumn (554)
2 Autumn - mauchow (557), cheekimonk (562)
2 fontisian - britrock88 (481), Abe Sargent (495)
1 mauchow - Telle (507)

JAG 05-10-2017 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekimonk (Post 3159759)
I'm not comfy sticking with font. I'm not sure about Abe, but I like the call earlier on Autumn jumping off Jackal...


What makes you unsure about Abe, either way?

What about players that didn't vote Jackal at all, or have a hand in getting him to where he got voted out?

Thanks for your explanation about the Chief vote, I forgot you did have 'bait' in your post, I just didn't understand it. Sorry about your doc appt, hopefully you're feeling better today.

cheekimonk 05-10-2017 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3159763)
What makes you unsure about Abe, either way?

What about players that didn't vote Jackal at all, or have a hand in getting him to where he got voted out?

Thanks for your explanation about the Chief vote, I forgot you did have 'bait' in your post, I just didn't understand it. Sorry about your doc appt, hopefully you're feeling better today.


Same as bhlloy's reasoning in #546. It obviously doesn't convince me 100%.

Thanks for the well wishes. It was just too many blood tests.

britrock88 05-10-2017 07:32 PM

Didn't get that late-workday read in; scanned now between trivia rounds don't mind the current tack.

Autumn 05-10-2017 07:33 PM

Not really feeling me as a contender today, but I don't have anyone to push, so I guess I can't complain. That said, me moving off of Jackal should be considered along with me being one of the first to push Jackal, IMHO. I agree, I screwed up by moving, but not sure he would have even been in the running without me.

EagleFan 05-10-2017 07:33 PM

Hope all is well cheekimonk.

JAG 05-10-2017 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3159323)
I wonder. I guess the captains probably drafted based on character names and not our usernames.

I think maybe I'm just slightly bitter because I think a tie would have been worthwhile even if the mechanism for a tie was different on day 0 than it will be from here on out, heh.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3159324)
My thought was that if a captain had a specific role in mind that they wanted to keep out of the spotlight, that that captain could have made a move to keep the role from being revealed, as some of these roles are pretty descriptive and the knowledge of who has one of the more powerful roles would have been a big deal for one team or the other.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3159325)
Times like this I wish I was a more experienced player. I gotta defer to the more experienced of you and try to get a deeper understanding of motives and reasoning that way. I'll check back in later and try to absorb what I can.


Pretty sure this sequence is why Julio was the NK. Seer hunting.

JAG 05-10-2017 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3159447)
I feel like Jackal's idea about a villager team is unlikely, but it feels like what he was really saying. His defense has felt earnest and not panicked, so I'm thinking I will move elsewhere.

The case for font seems like typical D1 stuff, but actually based on D0 stuff before alignment, so I feel like it's not strong.

Brit's posts feel solid, doing some real work.

Mauchow's post below:



pings me a bit as being one of those "too vague to mean anything but I said something" posts. Tarcone on the other hand hasn't said anything. So I'd rather vote mauchow than Tarcone.

Chief hasn't put a lot up today but what's there is solid.

Leads me with mauchow so far, who has no votes. blah.


Here's Autumn an hour before deadline D1 with the vote 4-3-1-1-1 or so (Jackal 4 font 3). He comes off Jackal but he looks like he's doing real work to find another candidate. He was right on his thoughts about Chief too.

JAG 05-10-2017 07:59 PM

Sorry, Brit also had two votes at that time. If he had wanted to help Jackal, he had easier paths to pursue.

JAG 05-10-2017 08:13 PM

Vote Abe

Telle 05-10-2017 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3159762)
Votes as of post 562

3 Abe Sargent - fontisian (516), bhlloy (552), Autumn (554)
2 Autumn - mauchow (557), cheekimonk (562)
2 fontisian - britrock88 (481), Abe Sargent (495)
1 mauchow - Telle (507)


Yet to vote: JAG, tarcone

bhlloy 05-10-2017 08:20 PM

JAG is in - can we replace tarcone if he's inactive for a full 24 hour period?

EagleFan 05-10-2017 08:21 PM

Votes as of post 573

4 Abe Sargent - fontisian (516), bhlloy (552), Autumn (554), JAG (572)
2 Autumn - mauchow (557), cheekimonk (562)
2 fontisian - britrock88 (481), Abe Sargent (495)
1 mauchow - Telle (507)

EagleFan 05-10-2017 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3159776)
JAG is in - can we replace tarcone if he's inactive for a full 24 hour period?


I've got a couple feelers out to see if someone can step in.

Telle 05-10-2017 08:22 PM

Yeah I think I forgot to refresh the page to check for more posts before I copied EF's vote count and added the "yet to vote".

And I agree.. I don't know why tarcone is absent, but unless this is somehow his game play, I think it could be rather detrimental to the game.

EagleFan 05-10-2017 08:26 PM

I received his confirmation when the roles went out, and even a follow up question so he seemed to be ready to go. I hope everything is okay for him.

Telle 05-10-2017 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3159734)
I want to just push Telle into the fray a bit here. Not for today, since she's someone who won't be around at deadline. But looking back at her posts I'm struck by how they are mostly things like vote counts, rules clarifications, and then once a day a vague vote like this where she votes simply to avoid the bandwagon. Could be just a villager without a lot of time, but also could be a way to keep up post counts and be helpful without putting out any rope to hang yourself with.


Well I got back before deadline. I don't know that I've ever been one to do the kind of in-depth analysis many here seem to do. I tend to make my spreadsheets, consider the theories others are presented, and then ultimately go with my gut. Day 1 there wasn't much to go on at all.. and then today I didn't have time to do more than quickly read through what had been going on while I was in meetings before I had to leave work at the end of the day.. so haven't really had an opportunity to reflect.

I think I'm getting why people are moving away from mauchow now. I'm currently leaning towards Abe.. mainly because if I'm recalling correctly he was someone that tried to push conversation away from discussion of Jackal's flub about villager PMs. I need to go back and reread to verify that though before I commit and change my vote... but luckily today I actually have time before the deadline!

EagleFan 05-10-2017 08:29 PM

Going to run the dogs outside, will be back before the deadline.

bhlloy 05-10-2017 08:33 PM

I'm here but pretty happy with my vote on Abe right now, unless anyone can go back and bring up anything else we may have not already picked up on from day 1?

Telle 05-10-2017 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159782)
...
I think I'm getting why people are moving away from mauchow now. I'm currently leaning towards Abe.. mainly because if I'm recalling correctly he was someone that tried to push conversation away from discussion of Jackal's flub about villager PMs. I need to go back and reread to verify that though before I commit and change my vote... but luckily today I actually have time before the deadline!


Nevermind.. it appears my memory isn't all that great. I'm not finding any posts with Abe mentioning the Jackal villager PM discussion. Looks like I was probably conflating Abe with Autumn.

Excerpt from Autumn's post #318:
Quote:

...
In contrast, Jackal's idea suggest that the Village captain drafts one or two to add to a PM circle. That would be a huge advantage for the village, and not how I thought it worked, but I suppose is possible. Maybe it would offset the handicapped abilities of the good roles. Still, I assume it's not the case.

Excerpt from Autumn's post #353:
Quote:

I feel like Jackal's idea about a villager team is unlikely, but it feels like what he was really saying. His defense has felt earnest and not panicked, so I'm thinking I will move elsewhere.
...


JAG 05-10-2017 08:38 PM

I did read his D1 posts. I felt a little uneasy about them. I will say he never did try to sway anyone away Jackal. He was trying to talk Autumn off mau lightly. He went dark from 40 mins before deadline to 12 minutes after.

Telle 05-10-2017 08:40 PM

unvote mauchow
vote Autumn

EagleFan 05-10-2017 08:42 PM

Votes as of post 584

4 Abe Sargent - fontisian (516), bhlloy (552), Autumn (554), JAG (572)
3 Autumn - mauchow (557), cheekimonk (562), Telle (584)
2 fontisian - britrock88 (481), Abe Sargent (495)

bhlloy 05-10-2017 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 3159785)
Nevermind.. it appears my memory isn't all that great. I'm not finding any posts with Abe mentioning the Jackal villager PM discussion. Looks like I was probably conflating Abe with Autumn.

Excerpt from Autumn's post #318:


Excerpt from Autumn's post #353:


I read #263-265 as a defense of Jackal and then an immediate vote on somebody else. Is it watertight? No, but it's the best I have to go on

Autumn is a bit more vocal in defense of Jackal but he's also the one who called him out immediately after his post and put the first vote on him. A wolf only does that to build trust and he ruined that by moving his vote off him and leaving it off. I don't see it, but those two are really good players so it's possible. I think it's somewhat unlikely though.

A wolf will never come out strongly in defense of another wolf, they will try to softly introduce doubt and steer the vote elsewhere and that's what I see the Abe posts above doing. Plus I really don't feel Font (I'm sure something is going on but the play is the same since day 0 when she couldn't have been a wolf yet) or Mau who were the other two options, after looking through yesterday in detail.

Autumn 05-10-2017 08:45 PM

Well, if Abe shows up, clearly he moves to me, and that leaves things up to Britrock, if he's around, or someone to switch. Better me than a tie. And maybe better me than Abe if he's not around to defend himself or reveal anything.

Telle 05-10-2017 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3159789)
I read #263-265 as a defense of Jackal and then an immediate vote on somebody else. Is it watertight? No, but it's the best I have to go on

Autumn is a bit more vocal in defense of Jackal but he's also the one who called him out immediately after his post and put the first vote on him. A wolf only does that to build trust and he ruined that by moving his vote off him and leaving it off. I don't see it, but those two are really good players so it's possible. I think it's somewhat unlikely though.

A wolf will never come out strongly in defense of another wolf, they will try to softly introduce doubt and steer the vote elsewhere and that's what I see the Abe posts above doing. Plus I really don't feel Font (I'm sure something is going on but the play is the same since day 0 when she couldn't have been a wolf yet) or Mau who were the other two options, after looking through yesterday in detail.


The posts deflecting attention from Jackal are the one thing really pinging my radar right now. That angle is what started tingling in the back of my mind as I was catching up on posts this evening. And as I mentioned above, I tend to go with more gut reasoning than the hard analysis many others here manage to do. Yes I have my spreadsheets, but they're primarily geared towards tracking votes, and I don't think there's been enough days of real voting for there to be a lot to learn from that yet. But I have to vote one way or another, right? So I'm going with what popped out at me.

EagleFan 05-10-2017 08:55 PM

Five minute warning...

EagleFan 05-10-2017 09:01 PM

Deadline

mauchow 05-10-2017 09:01 PM

Quiet.

EagleFan 05-10-2017 09:01 PM

Final Vote Totals

5 Abe Sargent - fontisian (516), bhlloy (552), Autumn (554), JAG (572)
3 Autumn - mauchow (557), cheekimonk (562), Telle (584)
2 fontisian - britrock88 (481), Abe Sargent (495)

bhlloy 05-10-2017 09:03 PM

Worryingly quiet

EagleFan 05-10-2017 09:08 PM

That time has come again. Everyone has dropped their vote into the hat, almost everyone, and you are ready to begin reading the votes.

Tension is thick, whimpers are heard.

The tally comes out with the one nicknamed Abe Sargent as the one you choose to eliminated.

"It is time; we must ensure our safety by killing again!"

"Abe Sargent, please step forwards!!!"

No one moves. Someone grabs him and begins dragging him to the front.

"No!!! This shall not happen!!!"

Who said that? IS it that easy, just say no?

"It is I, Vinton Harper. You have treated me like I am just another pawn but I declare this vote to be incorrect, and Mama said I could. Autumn, you must step forward!"

What is the protocol for this? You feel compelled to listen to him. Autumn is found and brought forward.

"We sentence you to the great beyond!"

The lights go out, a scream is heard.

In the darkness a voice is heard over the intercom. "You fools, you can't! Oh, too late, okay we can work with this. Ten, we must make ten."

bhlloy 05-10-2017 09:10 PM

Ummm, who the what?

EagleFan 05-10-2017 09:10 PM

When the lights come back on you search Autumn's body.

You find that he was named Larry Dallas. He has a card that says, a wolf draftee.

Two for two, this must be a good sign.

bhlloy 05-10-2017 09:10 PM

DOLA - never mind, for some reason didn't see him there in the character list

Vinton Harper - Not the brightest bulb in the box. His abilities are unknown, maybe even to him.

bhlloy 05-10-2017 09:11 PM

Dayum... whoever is Vinton just absolutely crushed it. If he even knew he was doing it, based on the role description

JAG 05-10-2017 09:14 PM

Lol, awesome.

JAG 05-10-2017 09:15 PM

Well that was an impressive play by Autumn, gotta give him credit.


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