With the votes 3-1 at one point dt puts a second vote onto cf. This is a good spot for a wolf to look good. Boo makes it 3-3 before cf and brit make it 5-3. Then I made the switch after chief made it 5-4. I will admit I folded under pressure cr and wanted to ensure a non-tie situation. Perhaps I could have waited another ten minutes before doing that but still...

I still don't have much clue on where to go.

Glad we are getting some good discussion on what will be the last day if I die as we will not get a blocked nk. 3-3 and wolves win at that point.

Putting a second vote onto CF would be a horrible wolf-play at that point if I was a wolf (which I'm not). The smart wolf play would be to not lay a vote there, or to lay a vote onto any of the other candidates to put them up ahead of my supposed fellow wolf. There were like 3 people with one vote at that point.

I put my vote on CF early and elevated him into the discussion as a legitimate candidate and I kept it there, unlike you, who switched around late (and early too). That's not a wolfish play by me.

Too bad I have things to do this afternoon and can't sit around and discuss this all day (work meeting and then hopefully some Xmas shopping during which I'll try to pop on a bit).

Had to get to sleep early to work the desk for another hotel in the area's x-mas party tonight (switching from night shift to afternoon). Went to bed around 4 so I didn't get to see where the wagons were rolling. I'm 95% sure that all 3 wolves and the cultist were on boo, Suicane's dead and I'm pretty sure I trust britrock.

I see this as an attempt to get the bodyguard to counter reveal. I don't think that's the right move as long as everyone's pretty sure mau is full of it, which is where I'm at.

If people would rather go to CrimsonFox, I'd be all for that too.

I'm not sure why I am option. I am parr of the village. If I die and wolves get nk. Game fucking over.

Sheep.

The wolves would not all go in on boo. The cultist was likely the other. Two wolves me and cultist and one other villager.

Back from a short three hour trip. Getting caught up, but for now, I'm going to follow our revealed bg with no counter reveal.


Vote Chief Rum

TO give mor einfo, follow because he makes some sense in sevearl places and posts.

I'm with you 100% of the way. At this point, I'm afraid mau is the cultist, trying to draw our attention to him so that we lynch a villager, the wolves get a NK (if the real BG is unsuccessful), and the game ends.

It has been a few hours now since mauboy1 revealed, and no one has countered, so it appears to me he is telling the truth. If he was faking, in an end game situation, the real BG would have great incentive to reveal to get him, while the wolves in this game have pretty much no incentive to reveal, because we have no idea who they are.

UNVOTE MAUBOY1

I'm just a vanilla villager. The wolves have no reason to step out right now and make a scene, nor did they last night. As a wolf, why would I attract attention--post lynch deadline I might add--by making a big deal about mauboy1's vote switch? That makes no sense.

If I'm the cultist and u kill me the game is over. No point to kill me period. Unless I'm a wolf which I am not.

It's important to get a wolf into this vote, because it's 4-4 now with respect to allegiances. The cultist would vote with the wolves to lynch the non-wolf candidate. And every villager would have to vote the wolf. Which means the best we can hope for today is likely a tie.

One thing I'm hung up on is why mau (or any BG who revealed) would lay out who they protected in a situation where the village's backs are against the wall. Why give the wolves any extra information as to whom the BG trusts, or whom the BG is able/unable to protect tonight?

I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone is really questioning that you're the BG at this point.

Except for me and Simbo.

We have 2 to 2, with Abe and mau on CR and Simbo and I on mau.

Simbo, what do you want to do?

I'm going to chalk that one to mau being mau. He wanted to show that he was the BG by noting who he protected. It's a shame he told the wolves who he protected last night, though.

I am pretty sure he is the BG. If he isn't, the real BG would have come out by now. Any reveal by a BG now would be very suspicious. The BG would have come out shortly after mau revealed.

I'll disagree with Simbo on one thing -- I think CR is a baddy and somebody else who was on Boo (maybe Abe?) is a villager. Which leads me to wonder how to figure out who's a wolf and who's the cultist.

If I am a wolf or even a cultist, what is my incentive to make a big deal about mau's vote post deadline?

unvote cr
Vote crimson

The votes stayed solidly in position all evening until I made the switch at the end. I gotta believe we have something with cf.

I'm as stuck as everyone is.

To confuse the village as to who's whom...

Sorry for the double post on the vote.

This is really dumb.

And incriminating.

I have thought all along that there is a veteran behind the scenes pulling all the strings. Do we really think that the wolves got extremely lucky by basically betting a 1.000 with their night kills? I doubt that. Something tipped them off about spleen and sucaine. Sucaine especially makes no sense because he had been quiet almost the entire game.

And then I got to wondering, why is Chief Rum still alive? I mean, typically the veterans are killed pretty early on. But he is still around.

I think this CR/mauboy thing is a pretty good attempt an confusing the hell out of the village. Both have voted for each other and already retracted them. Plus the might get the benefit of getting the real body guard to come out and make their kill easier tonight.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Interesting.

So you don't believe my reveal ?

No. Because I don't think the real bg would reveal who he protected last night. If we vote off a villager today, we are done because the wolves are just going to kill me with no chance of a block.

It just convenient that you and CR got each in others face in the early in the day (in WW terms), but now have already backed down and are probably going to pin your vote on someone like CF.

That sounds like a typical wolf end game of confuse the hell out of everyone by making a fake reveal.

This about my thirtieth game of werewolf. If it needs to seriously be clarified that I would not give my n3 target up while risking myself thus ending the game if we do miss a wolf with our vote...

I can only be so sly to throw off the wolves.

My n3 block may or may not be true...in other words.

Its probably more than 30 games... I don't know.

So you are admitting that you provided false information about your reveal? You keep getting caught up in this web of lies. What would be the point, if you were the real bg, of coming out and saying I protected so and so?

I don't see anyway that you are the real bg here.

If the information isn't pertinent either way what's your problem?

I originally only said that I was bg..that was it. I took some extra time to think about whether or not to reveal then decided to put together my first two nights that I protected and left the third up to the imagination of the wolves.

I'm not sure why you're so adamant. But okay.

If I'm the cultist and the votes are on me I would sacrifice myself to die because the wolves would likely win in that scenario. As I've mentioned miltiple times now if we lynch a villager this game iiisssss oooooveeeerrrrrr.. slo mo for you.

I am just trying to put two and two together to see if I buy your statement, which I just don't. It looked like it was going to be a run away of votes on you and then all the sudden you come up with this super reveal that your the bg.

Then you tell us who you protected and then your retract that information back.

I am keeping my vote on CR on the off-chance that you are not telling some sort of crazy story.

...so you're trying to fool us by being obnoxious enough that we might think you're a wolf instead of the cultist. Good luck with it.

UNVOTE mauboy1
VOTE Chief Rum

I never retracted any statement. The n3 block is an important bit of info.

Now brit rock is being adamant too. Sheesh.

I love this game. It gets me riled up and excited at the same time.

I don't think either GE or britrock are making the logical decisions here. Since I know they're not dumb, I have to think they're in league with one another.

I also was leaning toward CF, so mau going there makes me feel better about it. I'm pretty much certain mau is who he says he is.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

In league... as villagers! :D

The only beef I have with you, CR, is that you believe mau's reveal.

While mauboy's reveal and subsequent behavior are admittedly a bit...erratic...I'm not convinced it's wolfish. Not without a counter-reveal.

Just to make sure we are all clear...



I. Am. Not. The. Bodyguard.



:)

Quote for truth.

I am 85% sure that Brit is the cultist. I am only about 50/50 on GE at this point. I won't be voting him just yet until voting finalizes tonight.

unvote mauboy1
vote crimson fox

at work so it'll be tough for me to be on too much. I'm betting the wolves are waiting for as close to deadline as possible to spring whatever plan they have on us.

And now the transformation is complete as Chief and mau have backed off each other entirely and pinned their votes on CF.

I think the logical choice here is to vote for you. It is all just a bit too coincidental that you mau had this blow up, went in different directions, and now have pinned your vote back on square one.

mhmm

One other thing comes to mind -- where are Abe and DT in all of this? I'm not activity-pinging; I'm trying to figure out what role they play, as their relative silence gives fewer clues to pick up on.

Just so we understand as we get closer to deadline --- if the voting is 5-3 for a person, you're on the wrong side of the voting if you're on the (5) team.

And I'm talking to the villager -- if you are the 5 side of the voting when this goes down, switch it for the tie.

The cultist knows where teh wolves are going and will vote their way. The wolves are 100% going one way or another today. 100% guaranteed.

Come to think of it, we're pretty much screwed as a village. If the tie kills both or neither, the village will never be able to get ahead.

Damn it. I've been playing my ass off today.

I guess I shouldnt be saying this stuff.. sorry

I have my doubts all 4 baddies will vote the same way.

Which is why it is paramount that we don't miss today. I also think that leads more credence to your and Chief's blowup. Confuse the hell out of everyone and hope we just end in a tie or whatever.

The village can still win this thing, but its going to take a spectacular play from the real bg tonight.

This stuck out to me too when I was thinking this over today.

XMas shopping was mildly successful. Between 1-3 more presents still to pickup.

Run the numbers.

relative quiet? I've been busy all day (as i stated last night and early this morning). Trying to catch up and think it through right now.

Oh yeah, no worries, DT. Hopefully we manage the easier reads first.

My only concern is that we find an honest-to-God wolf instead of just the cultist today.

We'll be in the same situation tomorrow if we lynch a wolf today. 4:2 village (barring a block) with the cultist having wolfish sympathies. We have to hope the wolves accidentally NK the cultist at some point.

In fact, it might even help the wolves' cause if the cultist were to reveal...

Go ahead and reveal then.

I'm actually on the train on the way home, more detailed posts will have to wait till I get home I think (unless I get inspired).

Initially when mau revealed I was very suspicious and was expecting a counter-reveal, and was also curious to see where his posts about CR (didn't he have some last night right after the reveal) went.

The lack of any counter-reveal tells me that either he's the real BG, or else for some reason the real-BG hasn't been on today (is that true of anyone?) or hasn't done the math. But really...yeah...I'm leaning 99.some odd percent that he's the BG.

That doesn't mean he necessarily has any better read on any of the other players in the game than a regular villager though - I just think it's important to point that out.

He gets bonus points for being the BG in terms of trust, but that doesn't make his logic infallible. So I'm not about to just pile on whoever he thinks I should - and nor should anyone else.

I'm not sure what the current vote-count is like, I haven't been around to keep it updated, so not sure what the situation is, although I gather it's CR vs. CF? I'll want to go home and look through the game and try to figure out what I think between those two.

I've been relatively silent???? :confused:

If mauboy is a wolf and did a fake reveal, it would benefit the wolves to know who the real bodyguard is. If there plan goes wrong, they know who the bg is and gives them a backup option to still win the game.

It is a pretty slick play.

Well, you weren't in the mau/CR smoke-and-mirrors bit, you haven't been spamming the board posting about it like I have... it's not meant as a slight.

I guffawed at this.

It could be villager-villager. It could be the villager is split 1-3 or 2-2 across two candidates so the wolves/cultist do as well, etc. And it could be a lot of votes on a wolf early, and then wolves are pushing you to move late.

Just had a caffeine-deprived thought:

wolves + cultist are 4/8 of the game right now. They can force a tie tonight and roll the dice with a double-kill vs. no-kill and put mau on the block that way and take their chances with a night-kill avoiding him if he survives.

Gaming that scenario out, because it's scary:

Mau (BG) vs. wolf/cultist on block - double kill would leave the game at 3 (2 wolves + cultist) vs. 4 villagers. Night-kill would make it 3:3. Following that pattern, we'd lose via night-kills without the BG being around, right? Even if it was dragged out (a double-kill day to make it 2:2, then a night-kill). I think this holds true in any scenario, and even faster if the wolves/cultist put the cultist on the block via their ability to tie. Since he counts as a villager but cooperates with the furries. Is my math correct on that? I'm caffeine-deprived, so I'm not quite sure. Also coming to the end of my train ride, so I can't really check it anymore.

If it's a no-kill then it's 4:4 (assuming no BG block of the night kill) and we're done?

Mau (BG) vs. non-wolf tonight: If it's a double-kill it's game-over. If it's a no-kill then we have to hope for a BG-block to keep us in the game.

So basically it's down to hoping we have a wolf on the block, we get a no-kill, and that we get a BG-block?

Fuck me. Yikes.

The only way, we as a village have a chance is if one of the wolves or cultist don't vote...

If I were the BG, I would counter-reveal to help the village know more if I did not protect myself N3. However, right now, there are two ways we win. The first is by lynching a wolf. The second is a BG block to get us to tomorrow. I think it's cards on the table time now for the village, and i respect mauboy as trh bg until someone tells me he's not. I might still buy him as the bg post counter-reveal.

Now, if we lynch the Cultist today, then barring a block, we still lose tomorrow. We cannot afford to let the Cultist mess with us overly much. We have to stay on good targets. That's why I like CR as a target.

I am convinced the wolves have the Mayans on their side.

I find that wolves rarely will play this loose with the rules. Hell, they could all reveal with the Cultist, roll the dice and win or lose fast. But, if they lose the dice role with no kill, and if they get a BG block....then it's still 4-4. So, wait...then they do it again the next day, and if they miss then they win.


So yeah. That works.


4-4 vote tonight one on mauboy and one on wolf.


If it works, then both are killed, free and clear kill, and then wolves win 3-2.


If it fails, and no BG block on kill, wolves win 4-3

If it fails, and BG block happens, still 4-4 tomorrow. Have a quick vote nightfall, and do the same, 4 on mauboy, and 4 on everyone else. Again in same sitaution.


It is impossible for the wolves/Cultist to loses if they do that plan.



But like I said, that rarely if ever happens, because plaeyrs are not that ballsy. Plus it requires the wovles to trust whoever reveals as the Cultist in teh thread won;t jump ship at the last minute and vote against them. and my math or reading of the rules may be wrong.

Maybe. But I think if the wolves knew the true identity of the bg, then that helps them. Of course, they still don't know who the bg protected, but it is really the last piece of the wolf puzzle, so to speak.

So I am torn on the real bg counter revealing if mau is in fact a wolf or the cultist.

Back from job 1. sent home from job 2 sick. fuck i knew i should have had danny or ef play instead. haven't had time for this.

I am a villager. That's all i can say.



Based on votes? Huh? We haven't found ANY wolves yet. So how are you saying I;m a wolf based on votes. Yes I've voted for villagers but mostly out of self defense as I don't know who they are either and everyone keeps the ball rolling on me. DO you guys really want to get portaled again? (aka keep voting for the same people every round until we lose?)

I don't think there is much point in playing anymore.

LIke I said, if the village wins that would be a massive fail on the wolves part.

Lewt's liven it up for your mauboy

unvote Chief Rum
Vote mauboy


Vote Nightfall

I am the Cultist

Awesome. In typing that post of mine I zoned out and missed my train stop by 1 (first time I've ever done that in my life). Now I get to wait 30 minutes in the cold for a train coming back the other way, with no jacket.

So fuck you very much wolves.

In allof WW< I have been the Cultist never, except for last game, and now this game. You can imagine my surprise when I found out I was th eCultist twice in a row.


We don;t play this game this way, but why not live alittle. Let's push te hruel and see what happens.

Figures :)

I am not the bodyguard. I am the simple villager.

Oh, and remind me to tell you what Autmum;s and mine pm echxhancge were after game, because I can't post htat stuff in thred

There we go.

Simbo is the body guard

I will NOT out any wolves, U'll let them talk it over first., and i did not send any signnals this game, because cleraly it didn;t work lsat game and I had never tried before so I wanted ot play this one different than last game, since i had identical roles

unless by some miracle he's a wolf

Yes I fake revealed body gaurd as a villager in hopes of pulling out the Cultist.. in the end it didn't matter.

So are you saying you're the BG mau? Because otherwise you're a wolf, because you wouldn't know who was a villager or not (re: simbo).

You confuse me. From now on I'm voting for you just because you confuse the fuck out of me.

Actually I think brit is the body guard maybe golden eagle :)

I am a villager. Simple one. Not a body guard.

In the meantime, come on wolves, let's do it. We NEVER play WW like this ever ever. If the math is wrong or whatever, let's lose spectacularly! Let's lose in a way that will go down forever in FOFC WW history! But if we win....

I knew that if I was a slam dunk vote we would lose because of the numers then I concocted a plan to hope to get the cultist to also fake reveal and pull that reveal out and hope the body guard was still hidden, which he is. THe plan worked exactly as I intended.. except it didn't matter.

Get the cultist to fake reveal as a BG, that is. NOt fake reveal as a cultist..