dubb (and others in Study) - You may recall that it was I that passed what turned out to be the Seer Spell to dzilla. Remember... this is the same spell that cleared you. If I was a wolf, would I have passed that to a player now known to have been a Human?

I'll confirm that it was likely tyke that passed the spell to dzilla, however, it might be a situation where you can't pass items among wolves. You also claimed you didn't know what it was. I'm not going to worry about my vote until I can catch up w/ what happened in this thread.

He had a shovel when he headed down there, and from skimming the thread there was something about digging up a corpse and dismembering it. Hence why he wants the chainsaw to head downstairs I'm guessing.

uninvestigate woods
investigate cellar

I believe I can probably be of some help down there if we are on the right track, and I'd like to hear what Autumn has to say

If you don't mind, I will join you. I think I may have something to help him out as well. I just want to make sure I'm not going alone down there.

INVESTIGATE CELLAR

If there really were such a restriction, and I was a wolf, then I would have kept it myself and never mentioned it or revealed. There was no compelling reason for me to pass the item if I didn't want to. There are plenty of other examples of players who held on to an item for several days.

I claimed I didn't know what it was because I am a Weapons expert.

Well, at least CR was a bad guy. I wonder why Autumn stayed in the cellar - perhaps something happened down there that suggested to him that he should investigate again? What troubles me is if he's the only one down there and he is bad, he's had two chances to investigate and almost certainly has the book of the dead now.

Sadly, my WW inexperience will show at this point. You guys railroaded Commo (Annie) and then the wolves killed dzilla (possessed a Seer spell that cleared dubb). Not sure he would have been a big target in other rooms, so I feel fairly certain he was killed based on intel inside the Study.

That only leaves four of us alive who were in the study.

dubb - Cleared by dzilla scan

tyke
J23
Jackal

I've already pled my villager case. I do have the very early suspicions on Chief Rum, and then subsequently voted for him (now known to be a wolf). I also was the lone holdout on Commo, and I was the one that passed the spell to dzilla (both known humans)

So play along with me. If dubb is in the clear, and I know I am... that leaves two (J23 & Jackal).

I want to go back to my notes and review voting records. But here's something that strikes me odd:





In the Study yesterday, you originally voted dzilla (now known to be the Professor's Student), then switched over to Commo (now known to be Annie).

Either you've been very unlucky in your votes... or you've got something more nefarious in mind...

Didn't we all agree to come back to the cabin in two days? That makes me even a little more suspicious of Autumn. And that's true what you just posted, tyke. Multi-thread games are tough for vote analysis but I think you've posted some pretty good stuff right there.

VOTE J23

It's unfortunate what happened with Commo - sort of spoke to how little we had to go on as far as candidates that a simple slip up could seal one's fate. I do wish he had revealed earlier, in that case we may have only lost one of him/dzilla, though I imagine tyke would have been the lynch in that case just because of what had been going on yesterday.

Well here's my hunch, and I hope some more of you will join bhlloy and I down in the Cellar.





Either he's a wolf, and is hoping to trick us individually to go into the Cellar where he kills us with important objects; or he's one of the good guys (possibly even roled) and wants those with weapons to go to the basement to help him dig up and dismember the body.

While I'm leaning towards the second, I'm not positive. I do know we have safety with numbers. So if the majority of us (why not all?) head downstairs as well, we'll see what has happened before. We'll also find out whether getting all the items together in the Cellar is as good an idea as was mentioned earlier.

You're certainly got a point there, Jackal. I can't think of a good reason for him to remain in the Cellar. If we all met here in the Main Room, then Autumn could have explained what was down there, and his plan, and we all collectively go down the next day. Sure we possibly lose one day, but we all feel much more comfortable with the information and safety.

I'm interested to hear what others say. I really would like to see the Cellar for myself, but as I've stated many times before, I won't go alone.

Sorry I should have said remain in the Cellar alone.

Mau - did he give you any good reason that he wanted to stay alone. Why didn't he meet all of us here in the Main Room, and we all go back down together. Hmmm... don't you think that is a bit odd?

Well work will get in the way soon. I won't have as much time during the day as I have the past couple.

If we go under the assumption that there were 4 wolves to begin with, can we all agree that at this point, Chief Rum is the only known Evil to be killed? That would leave three.

I truly believe there was at least one wolf in the Study with us yesterday. Based on my postings above, my suspicions point to either J23/Jackal.

I hope mau can be a little more helpful. But I'd like to throw another theory out there. What if Jackal is right and Autumn is bad. It would be kinda cool to have Mau come back up with no cuts and scrapes, and then point us down to the wolf. You know, a wolf leading the lambs to the slaughter? This could very well be a crazy theory, and I'm welcome to any of you to poke holes through it. But we really need to consolidate information and proceed together (figuratively and literally). As was stated above, there's relatively little overall to help us root out Evil. I need someone smarter than me to help connect the dots...

Well, it's possible Autumn thinks he needs to do some more digging in the cellar. He's been a big proponent of making sure to investigate each room thoroughly the whole game. I'm cool with going down to the cellar though.

INVESTIGATE CELLAR

For anyone that's seen the movie, did bad things happen in the cellar?

I have to agree with tyke here... if Autumn is bad, we have to go down to the cellar to flush him out, and even if he can kill one of us, he can't kill us all so there is some safety in numbers. And if he's good, he's going to need some of our items presumably to kill whatever he might have found down there, and we can't just leave him to get picked off.

Knowing that you guys agreed to meet back here and he didn't show makes me a little more uncertain about him.

Of course if Autumn is bad (which he could be) and smart (which he usually is) he's found whatever item is down there and he knows we're going to mass up and come down with our items, so he could just head back up here and we all go charging in the other direction. But that's just part of the fun of the game I guess. Not sure if you guys think it's worth leaving at least a couple of people up here in case that happens? I think three of us with items going down to the cellar is probably enough safety in numbers, I don't want to get caught playing a game of Autumn tag.

For those down there with him 2 days ago, was he always staying in the cellar or did he pull a late switcheroo? That would make me feel a whole lot worse about the chances of him being evil dead.

Of course we could just all lynch Autumn and then take the book of the dead from his corpse! But that's only if we really think he's a baddie.

This is autumns second day down there.

He felt that he needed to stay down there with the shovel and needed extra help figuring out what it is that needs to be done down there. I was unable to help with anything because i had no tools so i made my way back up to pass the news that cr was bad.

Ask me any questions i will try to help best i can. I will try to be around as well. Work dictates though.

What do you all make of the whole Zinto "possession" from post 457 - 465? Weird stuff. Something caused him to change his vote from J23 to himself. And then relatively late, it changed again to Commo. And with other people in the room, only ZInto himself remarked about it. Odd don't you think?

Its not so much that no one else remarked about it, it is that they had already seen it and remarked about it the day before.

I think that makes J23 look a little better TBH. I don't think a wolf in possession of somebody changes a vote off another wolf who isn't in much danger because it looks too bad.

Of course, it could be a double double cross. But in lieu of other information, does make me trust J23 a little more.

Wait... I thought this happened last night. Was this a retelling from a previous day?

It has happened the last three nights.

I will hopefully be able to put this in context more at around 2:30 since I have to go to class.

I'm crazy busy w/ work today, so I won't be around much for conversation, but I do think that someone in the study yesterday was evil or at the very least they had some way of knowing about dzilla having the seance spell.

I had a good feeling about Autumn when I was in here last, but him not coming back up as part of the plan he had a part in hatching certainly makes me feel a bit more uneasy about it. I do know he had the shovel, but he mentioned that he was planning on passing it too, so I'm really not sure how to take that whole thing.

I have no problem heading down to the cellar with a group, but don't we also want to go looking for these parchments mentioned? Do we think they were avaliable from day1 so areas we've been in already dont need to be checked again? I'm not sure what to make of that whole thing.

Anyway, I'll be back on after work to try to help out some.

Ok I have a parchment but at this point the only person I would feel comfortable passing it to is Dubb so I may pass it to Dubb and I may not.

I have been possessed for the last three nights. It happened once when I was by myself on the trail before I was almost killed by the thorn bushes closing it off. The first two nights I voted for myself.

We have no idea what the possession entails though, whether it is wolf or game flavor. It could be a random vote either way, so I'm not going to see it as a huge boost to J. I think tyke is right in that there was probably a wolf in the room with us yesterday and I know dubb and I are clean, so it's a short list of choices.

Dubb are you coming down to the cellar? I only ask because if you get NKed or something we don't want your corpse to be in a place with few people in case people pass you important items or what not.

I would say there is a decent chance it was wolves who have changed my vote. I don't think it mattered that I voted J23 though I could have voted anyone and they would have moved my vote onto me. They did so when I was by myself in a room. The fact it ended up on Commo is the reason why I believe that it was with evil intent.

Ah, that makes sense with regards to Commo

Well, that's no good for Zinto.

Remember if I die someone should stay here and get my awesome piece of parchment.

Give me back my hand you jerks!

dubb - Since I've first met up with you in the Main Room a couple of days ago, you've been like gangbusters with lots of postings, accusations, theories, etc. I've missed that from you today. I think these three postings are it. So you still feel strongly I'm bad, huh? You haven't responded to any of my postings or let me know otherwise. Just curious if you've had a chance to review all the information from the past couple of days...

Based on my analysis in Post #509, it doesn't seem like your voting record the past couple of days is doing you any favor. You also appear to have missed a vote completely on Day 2. I'm gonna at least plant my vote for now on...

VOTE J23

Yeah, I missed the day2 vote/investigation unfortunately. I'm not sure how that means I'm more of a wolf. The votes I have been around for have been for Commo yesterday because he had said he wasn't a weapons or spells expert. Given that I wasn't in this thread last night to see the speculation about some roled villagers by Commo, the thought that a roled villager might not have those abilities didn't even cross my mind. Of course, 3 others seemed to think that it was worth putting a vote on him for the very same reason including the only cleared villager at this point.

My other vote was on Mckerney who we still don't know if he was good or bad, and I laid out the reasoning behind the vote in the thread at the time. He had moved away from the cabin after there was some discussion about maybe staying together.

As I said earlier today, I agree there was likely a wolf in the study or they had some way of knowing what was going on in there at the very least.

Do we know for sure that Commo is Annie and a good guy btw? He avoided the lynch last night somehow despite at least 4 votes on him from the study and apparently 1 from Zinto in here. Any explanation for it?

Uh, didn't Commo die and get revealed as Annie?

Absolutely correct.

Can you explain that one Bug? That seems like a strange decision given that we're all heading down to the cellar and we need at least one person to stay in the cabin in case Zinto goes down and drops his alleged item. Doesn't seem like a very team oriented move, if I can be so bold as to say so

I haven't even left the Cabin yet, but doesn't the exit out the door lead to the Yard?

hrm, I somehow missed the lynch kill. I could swear I saw him talking in the thread here today, but maybe it was non-game related stuff.

Maybe it was posted in the thread after I took off. When I came back to my pc I read my pm that I was here so I didn't go back into the thread to see what might have happened.

Vote Tyketime

While I know you're the only one who didn't vote Commo in the study thread, the wolves presumably know who each other are, so there was no need for you to pile on there, especially if you're communicating with people in the other rooms to know all of the votes. The fact that you voted for yourself makes me more suspicious, and also more comfortable with the fact that even if I'm wrong, I won't be lynching a special villager since you had stated you were vanilla.

Gee - way to help the team out there. Instead of further discussion (much as you witnessed with dzilla last night), you're gonna vote me and feel comfortable that at least I was vanilla????? :eek:

Well I was going to vote for J23 right now but it looks like I have other ideas.

I will...

Unvote Zinto
Vote J23
Investigate Cellar

Way to try to misinterpret what I say. I'm comfortable in the fact that if I'm wrong, at least we won't kill a key villager. Or was your self-vote a bluff and you want to claim a role now?

As far as Dzilla, I was one of the first to move off of him if I remember correctly and he had his vote on you until he finally followed me onto Commo after the "expert" issue was brought up.

Hm, now we have to decide if we think someone is controlling these votes or not and if they are playing with our heads.

And bug that really doesn't look good for you, to say almost nothing, investigate a place that no one else is going to, not explain it, then disappear again.

I have the option to go back into the Woods to investigate, so I'm taking it that option.

I havent been involved with pretty much any conversation in the game, been mostly outside, so I really don't know much of what's going or what other things have been said or done.

Also, no one has died around me either

Feel free to be so bold to say. :)

So no one is staying here in case Autumn comes back up?

This is tricky, coordinated movements

I haven't chosen a move option, of course I'm also the leading vote getter at the moment. (at least in here)

I guess if we want someone to follow bug, I could be that guy. I've already been in the basement. I'd prefer to go to the Study, but unless people think it's pointless to go there I'll follow Bug outside. Whatever people think.

As for my vote - I'm not privy to what happened in the Study - but it seems like J23 has the biggest negative with his voting history. The other candidate in tyke doesn't seem all the intriguing either but again, I'm not 100% clear on what happened in the other thread. I voted tyke while in the cellar only because that was autumn's only mini-hunch. I had no hunches as I haven't been part of much out here.

Anyway. Any thoughts on where I should go? Outside? Study?

By my count, there were 8 of us in the room. We need investigations for J23 & mau. Zinto: looks like things are out of your hand at the moment... :lol:

Has anyone seen Danny since he got blown out the window? Was he able to pass his spell to anyone?

It would be nice to have a couple stay here Main Room. Just in case Autumn comes up. I'm also expecting mckerney to come back from the Study (there was no other entrance/exit from that room).

Both very good questions... I suspect since he got blown out the window he wasn't able to pass it to anyone here. I think he was flying into the trail or woods. Anyone see him out there?

Despite really needing to, I haven't been taking notes this game. If memory serves, Dubb voted tyke fairly quickly, Tyke ended up voting dzilla. A couple others (myself included) jumped on dzilla. After being mysterious for a bit, Dzilla revealed he had the seance spell that did a scan, and that he scanned Dubb as clear. I jumped off and the others did eventually as well. After questioning Commo a bit, he said he wasn't a spells or weapons expert, so I put my vote on him and others followed. He revealed as Annie with 3 minutes until deadline, and Dubb and I both were around (at least) and didn't want to swap off considering how late the reveal was meant that there was no time for discussion, and he had been the lead candidate in our room 4-1 (tyke voted himself) for over an hour already.

That a fairly accurate summary?

But his feet are fine. :) Sorry I missed that.

INVESTIGATES:
WOODS - MrBug
CELLAR - dubb, Jackal, tyketime, bhlloy, Zinto

j23 - Jackal (510) tyketime (543) Zinto (563)
tyketime - dubb (493) j23 (551)

This question is for Bhlloy as well, but how are you guys planning on following me?

I'd guess with an "investigate woods", but that's pure speculation....

I guess I'll hang out in the main cabin in case Autumn comes back so he can see me getting suspicious of him and have a nice discussion about it. :)

UNINVESTIGATE CELLAR
INVESTIGATE CABIN

Actually, the question is less for Bhlloy, more for Mauboy

Apparently MrBug has some sort of ability to go straight back to the Woods and bypassing the Yard. Not sure if he can take others with him, or mau will need to take the scenic route.

I can do the same as Mr. Bug but I am not sure why others would not be able to.

Ahh, guess I missed that. I figured more rooms had closed and there was a way there. Guess not.

So I guess the question is do I follow Bug out there?

I would say you should. By being alone in a room, especially one that not everyone can get to easily, it allows people to make votes w/o having accountability for them (at least not for a while).

Bhlloy & I both claim to have an item that may be of some use in the Cellar. So I'd rather we see this out. Anyone else willing to stay put just for one more day?

If you have control, it would be great to stay one more day. If not, you may be alone in the Yard on your way out there. Just saying... nasty things happen to those who wonder off alone...

Apparently he wouldn't have to stop in the yard.

I'll likely just hang out in the main cabin and try to be a bridge now, there's going to be plenty of people coming and going in here so it's not like I'm going to be able to say super secret things to myself.

I just want to say, dubb's sudden complete reversal from being very active to the opposite approach has been missed. Whether we agreed or not, we certainly had a fair amount of exchange yesterday which provided lots of information for us to make note of and use as we go forwards.

Investigate Cellar

If I somehow live, I think the main conversation will be either here or down below. I've already said plenty in this thread I think for people to judge for themselves if they think I'm evil, and I'm yet to check out the cellar.

Thanks... I missed that. So this strikes me a little odd that two separate people have some sort of teleport ability. Some were whisked away (well I'm really thinking just of Danny) - presumably not of their own choosing. This seems to be different from that...

investigate yard

Only to follow bug for now. I may switch back.

I'm not sure what's up with dubb, he's been quiet today but I don't know if that's a result of limited access or what. We know he thinks you're not on the up and up but he hasn't tried very hard to get other people to follow him today.

That won't follow bug, he gets to skip the yard and go to the woods.

Do you have any items of importance?

Why are you looking to go all the way out there when the majority of players are here in the Cabin (Main Room, Study, or Cellar)? What are you hoping to see/do out there. Seems to me like we are nearing a pivotal moment in the game. And with these mechanics - wouldn't it make sense for most of us to be witness to the events?

I don't think he's been on all day since he put in his vote. I don't see how you can think he wasn't pretty adamant about tyke if you were in the study thread yesterday.

Nothing that I can see having an impact on the events in CF's descriptions.