I disagree. Even having read the comic, I think it wouldn't make sense for Herschel to really ask what happened to Otis or why Shane didn't bring the body back or the search party. I think the look in Shane's eye said it all: Otis didn't make it. Bringing the body back? The big fella looked to be well over 300 lbs. Between all of the equipment his was carrying and the sprained ankle, there was no way he would have been able to carry Otis out. As for a search party, well, there's dead and there's really dead.

Poor Otis...

You can't make white bread?

meanwhile, I was hung up on the orange juice.

A lot of people were hung up on the orange juice. I didn't quite get that at all. There's bottled orange juice, just like there's bottled water. Maybe Herschel has a case of Nantucket Nectars in his cellar, broke one out and poored Rick a glass in the kitchen.

There was also a glass of milk near a sandwich on the nightstand. I don't think they have cows on that farm and the shelf-life of milk, even when refrigerated aint that long... So, it was very likey either soy milk or rice milk. Those come in boxes and stay good for long, long time until you open them.

yeah, it could be that.

or, the writers are a little lazy.

Well this is Season 2, and probably only 3 months since the whole thing started?

If we reach Season 10 and they're still pulling out glasses of orange juice, then we'll have reason to be annoyed.

For sure. It's not like that stuff grows on trees.

Nice! :D

25 cool points for Glenn in the well, he gives back 10-15 of those in the pharmacy but it was still funny.

The world's slowest falling shoe finally drops, but after a slower-paced episode tonight next week suddenly shapes up to be a barn-burner (no pun intended).

Yep, looking forward to seeing how it plays out next week. Wasn't too surprised by the ending either. Next week's previews were the highlight this week.

It was good to see more Glenn. He is easily one of the more personable characters. More Gleen and More Darryl are always good things.

Talking Dead aftershow had Glenn & Maggie on briefly, would you believe that she's another Brit-accented performer playing a Southerner? I had no idea, although raised in New Jersey, moved to England in her teens, and spent time (see the linkage below) with her grandparents in Columbus, GA, I guess she's heard a lot of accents to work with.

Actress Lauren Cohan has a lively time on AMC’s ‘The Walking Dead’ - KansasCity.com

I didn't like last nights episode...

First the zombie in the well- why are they trying to get it out? I wouldn't drink the water even if he was out of it for a month... There are 5 (I think?) other wells on the property- board it up and call it a loss.

I may be forgetting one...but I think there was 1 zombie this whole episode. I understand they want there to be some more story lines, some drama, but I personally don't care about the little girl missing, and how many episodes have we focused on this? I hope they are able to pull it all together, because I really want to like this show, but it's losing me.

Surviving in a zombie infested world is a story enough to me, I want to see the characters search for shelter, food, water, supplies. I want to see them try to fortify their shelter...get pushed out for some reason, search for others, find where the helicopters are coming from, search for a "cure". I just think there is enough great story there that it's unnecessary to bring in the added drama, especially this early.

I agree about the well. I would never have chanced it. Sure, it's possible that it wouldn't be contaminated, but there is no way of ever knowing it. Yes, fresh water is a valuable resource and it's possible that the other 4 wells could run dry at some point, so you'd want to have well 5 as an option, but I'm not sure it was worth all of that. Once Plan A failed, I would have called it a day.

I disagree about the drama. A bunch of nameless characters with no background, interactions, feelings, emotions or what not running around a zombie apacolypse is fine and all and I would enjoy that, but I find it much more meaningful when there is more to characters. I also enjoy seeing how people deal with what's going on and the interactions with one another.

The Sophia thing doesn't bother me either. It took a pretty big back seat to Carl being shot and is now working as a decent excuse for why Hershel is letting the group stay at his place.

And it's giving Darryl a chance to have his better nature highlighted ... something I suspect is about to either be sorely tested or get a complete reversal.

I would be sad if we got a complete reversal on Darryl. I think they've done a great job with him and he's been my favorite character so far. They so easily could have made him just a stupid, stereo-typical redneck, but didn't. It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Merle shows up.

Another part of the drama that I like is showing how people deal with this new reality. If Shane wasn't feeling tortured or fucked up after what he did to Otis, I think that would be a sign of lazy, callous writing. Similarly, Andrea dealing with her sister's death or Carol with her missing daughter.

That said, I do think they need to balance it out with good old zombie action. So far, I've been all right with it. All zombies all the time would get old. And if they were acting like some sort of para-military group always scavenging, always building shelters, arming themselves, etc. I think it would strain credibility. The only guy with any real survival type skills is Darryl. That said, we've already seen the difference between Rick's group who has been "on the road" for a while and the group at Hershel's farm. The moment Rick's group got there (not Rick, Shane and Lori, who were dealing with the Carl situation), they noted the need for a look out, guns, supplies, etc.

I liked how they managed to address all the critiques almost immediately in this episode. Five wells to provide water. A generator that is housed in its own unit. A shot of the cows in the field to address the milk. And, a shot of Hershel and Rick looking over the lay of the land to show how isolated they are (and how far away civilization and zombies are).

The only thing I was waiting on was to see a grain silo to explain the bread. :)

I guess my point was I think there could be enough drama in simply doing the normal things at this point still, and would be able to develop the characters while doing the things I mentioned. You'd still be able to have the leaders, the followers, the handy man, the whiny ones cracking under pressure. You'd still be able to develop all these people. The missing girl, kid getting shot, and pregnant wife all seem to be like they are adding unnecessary (I don't want to use the word forcing)... drama into it. The story of survival and discovery are enough to carry it a while, while they could slowly add the more.... "added" drama. Again, that's just my opinion on how I'd handle a zombie show. I'm still liking the show enough to keep watching it, and it'd have to go wayyyy down hill for me to give up on it (hell I stuck with The Killing to the end)

Except the episode sucked. If they make any more episodes like that, the Walking Dead show will be dead because their entire audience will be asleep. What a stupid episode. This series is quickly starting to circle the toilet bowl.

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The whole episode was awful.

The well scene was moronic. Who was going to drink that water after a fat zombie floated in it anyway?

The Glenn/Maggie scene was painful to watch. Could there be any less chemistry between two characters?

"Hi!"
"Hi!"
*awkward stare*
"Let's have sex now!"

Could Shame (my new name for him) look any more guilty during the funeral?

Why does Lori need to go into the field right past the camper to pee? And that's an awfully small knife to carry around in case of a zombie attack. Finally, we're tired of Lori being a pathetic excuse for a human being. Either kill the bitch off or make her a little likable please!

Even Rick is getting annoying, though I liked his take on God. But otherwise he's coming across like a weenie lately.

Really, the only compelling character right now is Daryl. That's it. I'm hoping that the coming dynamic change (thanks for the HUGE FAT spoiler in the preview of next week's episode, AMC! Assholes.) mixes things up a bit, because this series is starting to suck this season.

I need for this show to have more meaning...I feel as if our time is being wasted as we look for the daughter of abused Jamie Lee Curtis. They need to start trimming some characters, or at least separate the groups into different stories. There are way too many characters for not enough time.

I suppose the fact that the show is split into 7 and 6 episode chunks might lead toward a better spring chunk.

Obviously, I disagree.

As noted above, I agree about the water thing. It was looooong term thinking at best.

I liked all the Shane stuff. He should be tortured and feel guilty for what he did. It's not his fault he doesn't have a poker face.

I didn't find anything about Rick annoying.

Lori is Lori. She was desperate to do the pregnancy test in private. What difference does it make whether she did it outside of the camp or in a locked bathroom? She needed her space, so outside made sense.

I liked the Maggie/Glenn exchanges. She was lonely and forward. What did you want? A long courtship of roses and chocolates? She's a woman who wanted some, so it happened. That's also pretty much 50% of the character interactions in the comic, to be honest.

I guess I missed that huge fat spoiler. Yay for me.

I agree with all this, although the water well thing was pretty dumb. The rest feels like a bit of an overreaction to me.

I'm with Blue and Rum.

I do feel like the well scene was a bit unnecessary. Didn't Maggie say there were five wells on the property? Why worry about the ONE with the walker in it, it's not going anywhere, that water's not going to be drinkable for quite a long time.

I liked the awkwardness between Glenn and Maggie in pharmacy, I don't think it's supposed to be a matter of chemistry between the two of them. She wanted it, so did he, but in a boyish, stammering "Really!?" kind of way. I felt like his reactions after they got back to the farm were perfect.

Beneath that big racist exterior, Darryl's got quite a big heart.

We were all screaming at Glenn to brace himself on the wall and inch away from the zombie spider style. That distress was embarrassing. The diameter of the well looked to be 4 feet at most.

So yeah, wasn't a fan of the episode and the show is losing me a bit as well. I like when they bring up moral dilemmas (like "how long would you search for the girl?" or "would you want your child to survive in this world?"), and like tense scenes. I like to see zombies, but you can accomplish a tense scene without using zombies. When Darryl was looking around that other farmhouse or whatever, I wish it was a bit longer, but that was done pretty well.

For what I didn't like... the well thing, as has been said, was just stupid. There are other wells, are you really going to drink water from this one? Who's to say the zombie isn't dripping some sort of bodily fluid into it already? And what was Glenn going to do? What was the actual plan? I don't really follow. Was he going to untie himself, fight off the zombie, tie the rope onto the zombie, then drag the zombie up?

I hated Daryl's speech there with the flower. I want him to be a smart/resourceful bad-ass. Since it really appears he's not like that, I want a character to fill that role. I find a lot of the current characters to be too boring.

The little girl being gone has gotten to annoying levels right now. I know they need a reason to stay at the farm and do other story stuff, but the little girl pay off better be good.

I think the plan was, as executed. For Glenn to get close enough to the zombie that he could get the rope around its neck so the people could haul the zombie up out of the well. There was no intention of him getting into the well or fighting the zombie, but he needed to be close enough to get the noose around the zombie's neck. That was the plan and that's how it worked out, though they weren't expected the pump to break and everything.

I loved Darryl's speech. I actually consider it to be the highlight of the episode.

Yeah, maybe if I didn't have my heart set up what type of character I'd love in this series, I would like the speech too. I've just totally read and/or wanted his character to be different.

I hope they learn a lesson or something from the well thing.

I was just surprised that an episode of this show could be so boring.

Did I miss what happened when Daryl was looking for her? One moment he is checking out a house that obviously appears to have had someone there very recently and then the next moment he is giving Sophia's mom a flower... WTF.

WALT! WALT! WAAAAAALT! Where is my boy WALT!?

Yeah I know, you'd think the first words out of his mouth would be "I have found a spot that your daughter could've been staying at" instead of the flower speech followed by "I'm not naive enough to think there's a flower for my brother."

I'm really hoping that they find the girl, and then that she gets bitten the following episode.

He came out, called out to Sophia a bit,got no answer. Walked toward the camera & spotted the flower on/near a fence. (which I first thought was a scrap of cloth or some other tangible sign that she'd been there).

That flower, btw, is the Cherokee Rose, which is the state flower of Georgia. The story he told however is one that I'd never heard in my life.

If I had to guess, she's already bitten & her mother will let the girl bite her too, forcing the group to shoot them both.

Actually, I think it will be a spring/second half season AMC promo. They will end the fall season discovering that the girl is bitten, and then ask for fan submissions on what to do with her. Then whoever wins gets that scene played out and, as a bonus, the fan gets to shoot the mom, too, to the cheers of fans everywhere.

The flower / hiding spot is one thing I didn't have a problem with- he knows it's possible she was there, he smelt the can of food- must not have been too old, so he knows someone was there. I can see him not wanting to get her hopes up, and not telling her- but I hope he left some sort of signal to stay there and he goes back tomorrow.

If she did find that spot, and can go out searching during the day and find it again at night, then surely she'd be able to find her way to either the new house / barn, or back to the highway?

Fixed.

That would be sweet as well.

Yeah, agree the well scene was just idiotic & pointless. I was also uncertain why the 1 person that is most likely capable of lassoing a zombie around the neck (i.e. the farmer's daughter) didn't give it a shot from the top of the well. I mean...I can understand the practical benefit of getting the zombie out of there as a "nice to have" luxury...but screw it if isn't easy enough to do.

Despite liking the character at a basic level, Shane's overacting in dialog is consistently annoying me. Not his actions themselves...those I get & like the dynamics of. I mean...I've grown up in a pretty rural, backwoods environment myself. I knew many people (including cops) who weren't very bright (or downright stupid) but this guy just seems like the Josh Brolin version of GWB after a lobotomy. Its just too cliche & contrived. I'm waiting for him to have a moment alone and scream for momma.

Yeah, agreed that Jamie Lee Curtis needs to go soon. Not enough time for the amount of characters & she rates at the bottom of the interesting meter.

Overall, just need to get things moving. I don't mind a setup episode but I feel like we've been seeing too many setup episodes already.

Well, at least things are moving as far as Darryl is concerned.

Okay, even I have to admit that the first 15 minutes tonight was incredibly slow.

Other than the flashback intro, which was at least interesting at the end, that first segment was a dud (since we'd seen what was going to happen to Darryl in the previews already).

You have GOT to be shitting me.

They wouldn't kill off the most interesting character...

Good thing Andrea is just a beginner...

And the barn is a... GO.

Had a feeling this was coming. Herschel has been increasingly suspicious and Rick's "Herschel said he wants to take care of the walkers" line, followed by Maggie's reaction to reading the note sealed it.

And what an asinine question by Glenn, she's a farm girl, of course she's done it in a hayloft.

Was trying to figure out why my TiVo wasn't recording the earlier episode, and why the channel was unavailable. Suddenly the TV springs back to life just as she shot him. Ended up watching the whole 11:00 showing of the episode thinking that he was going to die.

I liked the drumbeats as he cut the ears off the zombies and climbed the embankment.

I figured Merle would be reappearing in that form.

This whole season is just dragging on for me. I want something to happen. And while I suppose the mild inter-personal dramatics of "how are we going to stay on the farm" may be somewhat interesting to some, it is killing my interest being there like 7 consecutive episodes. They are SLOWLY getting to answer some questions that it is taking way too long to answer. I can't believe they are spending this amount of time trying to find this girl, although that is a personal moral beef rather than a narrative one.

Based on the reveal at the end of the episode in the barn, I think this "phase" of the show is going to wrap up pretty quickly. I am not sure if they will be forced to flee Hershel's farm or what will become of Sophia, but I would be surprised if they remain in this pattern - which has been 4 episodes to date - much longer.

As I have noted before, I think this is going to be an on-going problem with this show. There is no real story arc. The show is about survival. Survival isn't inherently interesting. I like the inter-personal dramas well enough and haven't even come close to losing interest in the show. They have spent a lot of time on Sophia, but that kind of makes sense and the cracks are beginning to show a bit. That said, there have been some sequences like the zombie in the well and - as much as I love Darryl - some of the Darryl down the chasm - that felt like they went on a little too long.

I do think they will need to ratchet things up a bit. There is a big plotline in the comic - for example - that depending on how they time things - would appear to kick off either near the end of this season or season 3. I think that could be wildly entertaining and really something quite different.

This is still the only show currently on that I *must* watch "live" (well, a 20 minute delay to fast foward commercials) (The only other one is "Game of Thrones" and that isn't on right now). The rest I watch when I can.

I agree with a lot of this. They need a 'McGuffin' to keep the group at the farm so they can tell the part of the story with the barn. So, they lose Sophia. Kind of dragging on a little too long with it in my opinion, but, I see what they are doing.

I want to know Herschel's reasoning for keeping the walkers in the barn. Are the family? Farmhands?

I agree that things have been a bit tedious at times, but I'm not close to losing interest in the show. I'm still hoping Merle (with one hand) and the guy and his son from the first episode turn up again at some point. (I've forgotten his name.)

As for Sophia, I'd like to assume she's become a walker, wasn't the black walker one of the two that were chasing her and Rick?

Herschel heavily hinted at his reasoning during one of his fist conversations with Rick on the front porch. Based on his take, I think Herschel feels like this is just another plague or virus. That it can be dealt with and that there will be a cure. So, instead of killing family, farmhands, or even just poor "diseased" strangers, he puts them in the barn in hopes that they will one day be "cured". Good intentions, but... so very, very flawed.

I think the black guy and his son are Morgan and Dwayne, if I recall correctly. I'd love to see them again too. I thought Morgan was a terrific actor and his scene where he tried, but couldn't, shoot his zombie-wife was one of the most powerful in the show.

I thought Rick killed both walkers that were after them.

Good question. Hershel is a vet, so it could be curiosity/try to find a cure or vaccine or they could be family members and farmhands like you said. There was a interesting line where someone said not to kill a walker or something, but, to let Hershel know first.


I'm still hooked, just wish they'd wrap up the Sophia search here soon. Yes! Merle showing up would be something else. Maybe the helicopter from the first/second(?) episode picked him up after he cut his hand off. The episode prior to last nights, Daryl found the old house with a blanket and pillow in the pantry. It seemed rather small for an adult and then he finds Sophia's doll. So, I'm thinking she's still alive.

I bet he's keeping them just on the off chance that they find a cure for whatever it is. He seemed awfully interested in talking to Rick about that when they first got there.

I hate all of you people that type faster than me.

Mavis Beacon

Yes! I believe Rick said it when Andrea spotted Daryl emerging from the wood.


Did either Rick or Shane notice the piece of blue cloth hanging from the tree when they were talking about their high school sex affairs? I can't remember either of them noticing it as they moved through the woods.

Speaking of which ... that wasn't something we'd ever heard before was it? I mean, I took it that it was from an off-camera conversation with Herschel or something.


Yes, they commented on it. That's how the conversation sort of ended, with something along the lines of "there's T-Bone's & whoever-he-was-with marker, we must have wandered into their search grid".

I don't think it was something we heard Herschel say on screen. Rick just relayed the message that Herschel was supposed to deal with any walkers, not them.

I did like Glenn's reaction to Darryl's ear necklace and Rick's rather practical response to that little situation.

Still too boring for me. I'm welcoming the break coming up, and hope it ends with something cool that makes me want to watch the show as it's happening.

I liked the stuff with Merle and Daryl, showing that they are indeed totally different. I feel like I was projecting Merle's personality onto Daryl and that helped clarify that I was wrong about Daryl's character.

Other than that, it was just a bunch of stuff that annoyed me. The first 15 minutes were so boring (flashback to show that Atlanta was bombed took too long, Lori/Jamie Lee Curtis talking while hanging clothes, Daryl with the horse), the talk Rick/Shane had while walking was too boring. If they have scenes like that, I need to think a zombie attack can occur. Not sure how it could have been done differently, but I was not thinking about zombies at all during those scenes.

Some of the characters just seem soooo stupid and I loved the old guy saying "it's amazing you guys have survived to this point." Why the hell would Annie Duke blondie shoot Daryl? Is she really THAT immature or wanting to prove herself or something like that? Both sides were clearly not walking towards each other for a bit. Why still shoot, especially when you were told not to? That's one of those things where the rest of the party should be like "ok, you're an idiot and you'll en-danger our lives, no more guns for you."

The zombie chewing Daryl's shoe was a nice filming transition from Merle, but it seems kind of weird for the zombie to be doing that. Maybe I give zombies too much credit, but I'd think they could smell the flesh or something and go directly for at least his leg.

The zombies in the farmhouse bugged me too. How has no one heard this herd of zombies before, or how have the zombies not tried to break out because people are clearly walking around the farmhouse. It could have been easily explained away with something like the generator right beside the farmhouse to drown out noise or something.

I think this show has become something I wasn't expecting out of a zombie show. Maybe zombie shows don't work for me then, and just concentrated efforts like movies. Or maybe they're not doing a good job of creating an environment where they have to survive. The farm stuff has been so boring, just a random zombie here or there. I hope they hit the road soon and come across more zombies next episode or I may be done.

Thing is, it's not a "zombie show," it's a survival show.

I really liked the dialogue between Rick and Shane at the beginning. It was well written and flowed naturally from the mundane topic of Shane's highschool conquests to the bigger issue of whether to fish or cut bait on Sophia. While the first part is a lot what of what we've heard before - but still entertaining - the whole question of making the "tough call" and what not was newer, at least I felt it was. I do agree, however, there does seem to be a lot of going in circles. I also liked Glenn's reaction to Darryl's ear necklace and Rick's response to it.

I think the complaint of the lack of tension/boredom is a good one and I think a big part of it has to do with the current setting. Outside of the barn, Hershel's farm seems too much like an oasis from the zombie apocalypse. Apparently the farm is remote enough and the barb-wired fence around the property is sound enough that they have very few problems with walkers. Add in the fresh water, the generator and what not and all you really have is a bunch of people sitting around talking about their issues. Other than the Shane/Otis adventure, since they've been in the farm the only real zombies we've seen were the two that went after Darryl. The zombie in the well was just a distraction. Hopefully, getting the group off the farm and to a different location will change this dynamic.

I really have no problem at all with the barn. It's far enough away and no one ever went over to it. I think they established pretty well that zombies tend to be pretty placid and quiet when not aroused. Those zombies have been locked in the barn for a while now and have sort of gone on zombie "shutdown" if you will. They don't make too much noise and just sort of stand and wander around. They got all riled up when they saw Glenn.

Darryl and Glenn are the best, no doubt. That said, I still like Rick and Shane. Maggie does show promise.

Ok, then show some surviving, not living fairly comfortably on a farm with electricity, food, no threats, running hot water, etc. The first season had a few great episodes and some bleh episodes, and this season has been very underwhelming so far. I'm hoping for better, but if this is the type of show it'll be... then I don't think it's for me.

I thought the morality question about whether you search for the girl or not was asked when they first decided to look for her... I don't need it asked again now that they've been looking for 72 hours (I think that's what Shane said), especially if it takes that entire scene to pretty much get there. I liked the necklace response too. The necklace was cool, and then Rick's response was appropriate.


Yeah, I'll need to see how it's handled next episode before I can fully have opinions on it.

Another part that I forgot about that was just kind of a wtf? moment was the RV guy's reaction to Glenn sleeping with the farmer's daughter. He seemed pretty outraged and had such a "how could you do that!?" reaction. I guess that's just his character, to show respect to their host and not sleep with the daughter or something, so maybe I just don't like the character then.

Nothing WTF about that one to me.

His reaction was about Glenn putting all of the group at risk by doing something that seems likely to upset an already doubtful Herschel. He (correctly) assumed that ol' Herschel wouldn't like the idea of Maggie becoming the proverbial farmer's daughter.

It happens, to the best of viewers and the best of shows.

Mad Men is a great case in point for me. I like the premise, I love the universe, hated the way into quickly descended into old school nighttime soap opera territory. I was gone by the middle of the first season because of that.

Yea, I can see how it can be a bit boring right now. There's no tension other than trying to find Sophia. Even the pregnancy, I didn't feel any more tension, just more along the lines of, 'well, that was a dumb thing to get yourself into'.

I thought Dale's reaction to Glenn sleeping with Hershel's daughter wasn't out of the blue. He's an older guy and I think it was to show respect for their host. Just like Hershel's reaction to Maggie and Glenn was about him being a father. He wants these people gone as soon as possible and fully intends to get rid of them once they find Sophia and doesn't want his daughter to get hurt when they (including Glenn) get the boot.

I probably like the character stuff more than most, but I think there are currently two problmes. The first, as I mentioned above, is the farm. It's too safe, too secure, too many creature comforts. It really lessens the overall tension in the show.

The second is that we know the characters. Daryl's little adventure down the chasm was interesting because it gave us a little more insight to him. And, as much as I enjoyed the Rick/Shane conversation in the woods, it was mainly old ground. A lot of the character interactions have a sort of "been there, done that" feel to them. So there is a bit of the old spinning of the wheels from time to time. In fact, I think what makes Glenn and Darryl so interesting is that they tend to do a lot less of that than the other characters.

I've always believed that this show can't be "all zombies all of the time." That would just grow a bit tiresome. The zombies would either stop feeling like a threat or it would just be a bloodbath. That said, it can't be "all characters all of the time" either. We could use a little bit better balance.

Another potential solution to the tension issue is to add "other people" as a threat. Zombie Movie 101 clearly states that "other people" are a much bigger threat than the zombies themselves.

Congrats for Andrea missing the first headshot in this show's history.

I think an interesting dynamic for the show would be to have the group find pockets of normalcy that are suddenly ripped away from them. I thought the best moment in the first season was when they finally get to the CDC and found that the doors were locked. I think they could have handled the final episode better, but I thought it was also effective to show them taking showers and eating hot meals only to get immediately thrown back into danger.

If the whole point of the last few episodes has been to get everyone to relax so that we get hit with a punch from nowhere, I'm ok with that. It's just taken about twice as long to get there as was really needed.

I thought the same thing. :) Though, I do think Otis and Shane had a few misfires during Otis' last moments.

In EP6, did Jenner whisper to Rick that Lori was pregnant?

That's the speculation, but we don't know for sure.

I think the addition of 72 hours passing is the law enforcement response. I don't think anyone was opposed to searching immediately for the girl, but like they said, if you haven't found a missing child after 48 hours or whatever, you're (likely) looking for a corpse. I suppose in their current situation as opposed to regular society, it's more likely that some other group of survivors picked her up and can't get the word out (or doesn't want to), but I also find it highly unlikely that that girl can survive for 4+ days alone in the wilderness with random zombies.

Not a bad episode, felt a little abrupt at times just because so many storylines moved at once after several weeks of build up.

Amidst the pace of the episode there was a moment that was one of my favorites in the series so far: the 2-3 moments where we're shown a character discovering the concept of "bullet time" was pretty well done I thought. Wasn't very complicated really, nor unexpected either, but I liked how they made it clear to us in a matter of a couple of seconds

I thought this was perhaps the best episode this season.

Good zombie action. Moved things forward. Some great writing and acting to boot.

Good stuff.

I have to say that the wounds on the walker in the pharmacy were a bit shelf inflicted.

zing.

I suspect that you'll be moving on...

I really hope Hershel gets killed next week.

When is Shane gonna bang that blonde, for godsake?

edit: well my question was just answered.

I feel like there's a lot of sexual tension with Daryl and Andrea too.

My bet is on Daryl and Sophia's mom....

Yuck.

Seems unlikely that Jenner told Rick about the pregnancy.


I'm amazed these people are still alive. Rather than risking the whole group in an aimless run for Fort Benning, it seems as if maybe you should send out a scout team to make sure the path is clear, plus that it's safe. It's only 120mi.

Fuel wise, I would be siphoning everything. It has now been like 2months, foraging and obtaining supplies should be a daily job.

I'd also be switching to diesel vehicles, it seems you'd be very likely to find abandoned semi trucks. Those things hold 250 gallons of fuel or more.

Based on Rick's reaction to the pills and whot not I think seems much more than "unlikely." Rick's not the kind of guy who would pretend not to know something he knows.


I am not so sure about the scout team idea. 120 mi may not seem like a far distance today, but with blocked roads, wrecks, zombie-infested areas... It's quite a trek. Who do you bring? Who do leave behind? What happens if the group who gets left behind has to move because a herd comes or something else? There is no reliable way of communication across distances. The odds of being able to reconnect your "scout" team with the rest of the group are iffy at best.

There is no saying that foraging supplies isn't a daily job. There are a lot of people doing things off-screen. There is just no reason to show every menial task.

The switch to diesel vehicles isn't a bad idea. Though I am not sure how readily available manageable diesel vehicles would be and there do seem to be plenty non-diesel vehicles around.

"Manageable" might be the key word here.

We've had it emphasized a couple of times that Dale is basically the only guy in the group who is much on car maintenance (although I imagine that Daryl would know his way around a bike & could help if so inclined), that was somewhat referenced again last night with the bit about him teaching Glenn a few things.

Maybe Dale's knowledge doesn't extend to the differences between diesel & traditional engines, in which case it would make more sense to stick with something you have a better chance of repairing on the fly.

Agreed....but still my bet. :D

Nothing ruins a show like Kevin Smith appearing on it. Had to suffer thru his dumb ass on Talking Dead.

I’m not relishing the thought of the show finding Sophia alive and then going to great lengths to convince us of how this is plausible. At this point, they need to wrap up that search-party story line immediately. The most gutsy and heartstring-pulling move would be for Sophia to pop up at the Farm as a zombie, but we’ll see if that happens. I’d also be fine with them pretending like she never existed the way they did with that family last season who just walked off into the woods without food or water to go on a family vacation to Birmingham.

This was written after the third episode of the season, even more true now three episodes later. I'm guessing they'll find her next episode and head for Fort Benning with it being the last episode before the midseason break.

There is a plenty to rip on this show about without the need to make shit up. That family didn't "walk off into the woods without food or water." They drove off in a car with plenty of supplies. Given how fucked up and crazy our current group is, they were all the wiser for it. And what does this guy expect? The show to follow this family? For the group to talk fondly about a bunch of strangers they knew for a short time? Come on.

As for this episode...


I thought the scene between Rick and Lori at the end was near perfect, especially Rick's admission that he knew it all along. I thought that was pretty powerful and very consistent with Rick's character. He's not emotional person. He's also not a stupid person. I think he was trying to lie to himself that what he thought happened between Lori and Shane didn't happen, but once she said it, what's the point of lying to yourself? Lori's complaint about Rick has always been that he's distant and unemotional. His reaction was perfect and entirely consistent with his character. I sersiouly doubt that this is the end of it. It's just the beginning and was perfectly written and very well acted. I loved it.

Overall, this was Lori's best episode by far. I had quite a bit of sympathy for her and felt like her acting, which up until this point has been pretty weak or one note, was fantastic. She's desperately trying to hold onto the past. That "well" she was talking about is how she gets by. That's why she was uneasy with the idea of looting the cars or having her son carry a gun around even though that's the world they now live in. I think it helps explain some of her shrillness. I found her tortured decision about what to do with her baby also to be very well done.

Glenn was great as always. Over the last two episodes he's shown more character and personality than he has in some 70? 80? issues of the comic? I love his guileless and earnest nature, as well as his ability to kick zombie ass.

I was happy to see Andrea start becoming the Sone-Cold Killah everybody has been clamoring for.

I liked Dale's reaction to the zombies in the barn information. Dale really isn't a hair trigger type of guy. I mean, he's been holding on to that "I saw Shane point his gun at Rick" fact for a long time before he felt like he needed to unleash it. I really liked that scene between Dale and Shane. Poor Dale, he feels so threatened and cares so much about Andrea, but it's not a good idea to get on crazy Shane's bad side.

I am not at all frustrated by this show. I do agree that there could and probably should be more zombie action. I also think that they need to leave the farm too - it's simply too secure feeling and too removed from the desperation we saw in season 1.

And they most definitely need to wrap up the Sophia thing and it has to be satisfactory. What I would consider satisfactory... I don't quite yet know. Though I think that it would either include Sophia being found dead or a zombie. The only way that I think she could realistically still be alive is if she was found by some other people who took care of her or helped her survive. If they just find her surving on her own and it's a "happy" ending for this laborious plotline... Ugh.

Well

Nuts

Well that certainly did not disappoint.

(For those waiting until the replay to watch and accidentally wonders in here, I'll put it in spoiler tags)

Got this msg from a friend of mine a few minutes ago. He has known the young man who plays Carl & his family for years.

Wow. That was awesome.

Heh! Good stuff. Thanks for sharing that, Jon.

Wow.

On a side note....February before new episodes? Really? Ugh.