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SackAttack 10-18-2010 01:57 PM

That should read 'new,' I hope, or else I have to tear Take-Two a new one for emailing me to say that they ARE coming.

Butter 10-18-2010 02:02 PM

What is a "standard bias start"?

Buccaneer 10-18-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69 (Post 2367210)
What is a "standard bias start"?


Each civ tends to favor a set of resources/terrain/location that plays toward their UA, UU and/or UB bias. For example, Iroquois starting in a large forest; Egypt starting near marble.

Ben E Lou 10-19-2010 05:29 AM

Is it just me, or can you pretty much always get another Civ to back off an attack on your city-state ally as long as said c-s hasn't declared permanent war?

Buccaneer 10-19-2010 05:58 PM

I would go even further in saying that you can usually get a civ to stop fighting and to give you almost every thing he or she has. But the permanent war thing is a drag when the civ initiated hostilities in the first place.

Ben E Lou 10-20-2010 09:19 AM

Upcoming Changes (Updated 10/14) - 2K Forums

Upcoming Patch Info...

Quote:

Also, many people have been asking for an ETA on when this patch will be released. I said I'd do what I can to get some sort of ETA and now I have it for you. However! I am about to do something I don't normally like to do: Give an ETA. Big emphasis on the E. So what I am about to tell you is the current estimation of when it will be available. This patch is not done with testing at the current time, and most everyone in software development has experienced the dreaded last minute showstopper bug that forces a delay. This could happen! So, with all of that in mind:
The patch will be available as early as next week.


UI
  • Fix for production prompt that sometimes appears with newly created puppet states that could stop the player from being able to end the turn.
  • Aircraft banner corrections – now when you rebase an aircraft, the number will move with it.
  • Resource icons now come up with Ctrl-R again, instead of sharing the same button with Build Roads.
  • Selecting a great general will no longer cause yield icons to appear.
  • Added option to disable auto-unit cycling.
  • Fix for full-screen game when running dual monitors. Previously, the curser could scroll off the “open” side, and not be able to scroll the map in that direction.
  • Misc additional fixes to mouse controls, and other interface issues.
  • Rounded out financial information in the Economic Overview screen. Details now provided on the amount of gold provided by each city, the cost of buildings in each city, etc.
  • Auto-populate save menu with save file name
  • Allow selection of other cities by hex from within the city screen
  • Added detailed trade route info to Economic Overview screen
  • Added new tab to the Economic Overview Screen: "Resources & Happiness." (new 10/14)
  • Added option to activate the mp score list in single player (for “always up” score similar to Civ IV.) (new 10/14)
  • The Annex/Puppet/Raze popup now indicates how much extra Unhappiness will be assumed with each action. (new 10/14)
MODDING
  • Category list now displays correctly
  • “Installed” panel now displays ALL versions of a mod but prevents the user from enabling multiple versions. (new 10/14)
GAMEPLAY
  • Workers - Added option to force workers to ignore manually made improvements (so they don’t change what you decide was best for a plot).
  • Workers - Fixed bug where number of turns to complete were incorrect in build action button tool-tip.
  • Economy - Fixed bug where players could disband a single unit, and not see the economic return until disbanding 1 more.
  • Economy – Increased city wealth setting to 25%
  • Economy – Multiple fixes to the way trade-routes are tabulated and recognized.
  • Economy - Can now sell Buildings in a city (to help lower maintenance for obsolete buildings later in the game).
  • Trade – Found and corrected a Trade problem that could cause your Resource inventory to multiply.
  • City States - Fixed a bug where you could not gift aircraft to city states.
  • Military - Medic promotion now only provides healing bonus for adjacent units.
  • Military – Fix for Minuteman movement.
  • Military – Correct promotions for “archer-like” units (horse archers, chariots).
  • Military - Embarked units will no longer slow enemy land units
  • Military - Improved unit cycling logic. Camera will jump around much less.
  • Balance - Engineers +1 hammer
AI
  • Military – Better handling of unit need (navy vs land, etc.) .
  • Military - AI will tend to build ships to deal with blockaded cities more often
  • Military – Corrected an issue hampering movement of AI armies, especially when in close proximity to enemy forces
  • Diplomacy – AI will be more reluctant to offer or accept open border agreements with more powerful opponents.
  • Diplomacy – Fix for never ending deals (peace, research agreements, etc).
  • City – City specialization and city focus improvements.
  • City - Cities that are Avoiding Growth will not grow while that option is selected
  • Workers – Priority of trading posts reduced, and rebalanced priorities on other improvements
  • Workers – Improved the path-finding mechanic when building route-to roads improved, including a large performance increase when evaluating road-pathing.
  • City - Make sure Puppets don't construct buildings that require Resources. (new 10/14)
  • City - Add a Puppet city strategy that turns off training buildings and emphasizes gold. (new 10/14)
MULTIPLAYER
  • Exploit – Fix for gifting unit exploit
  • Chat – Color-coding, sound alerts, etc., added for in-game chat system, including a larger window.
  • Deals – Additional deal validation put in place to verify deals before they are committed
MISC
  • Research treaties that end because you declare war will no longer grant the free tech
  • Save/Load – Fix for corrupted saves being experienced by some players in late-game.
  • Map - Huge map crash-during-load fix that were reported on some specific systems.
  • Map – Terrain caching fix that could cause problems for certain video cards (the “glowing red orbs” seen on the map are an indicator of this).
  • Map – Fix for the low res terrain that appears the first time the game is run (terrain tiles would not load in anything but low-res the first time you play on some computer configurations)
  • Strategic View – Crash fix for units rendering in background.
  • Strategic View – Fix for selecting units either standing on a city plot, or garrisoned in the city plot.
  • Eyefinity – Better handling of leader scenes when using Eyefinity displays.
  • Tutorials – Many tutorial tweaks and adjustments.
  • Multiple crash fixes.
  • Taller than wide map crash fix. (new 10/14)

When the patch is actually released I'll unstick and close this thread.

Buccaneer 10-20-2010 06:46 PM

and added today

Quote:

UI
* If there are less than 5 buildings still needed to construct a National Wonder, the production popup tool-tip now lists which cities lack them. (new 10/20)
* Added Yield & Culture tool-tip info to the production popup. (new 10/20)
* Tweak information on the Global Politics tab in the Diplomacy Overview screen. (new 10/20)

GAMEPLAY
* Balance - Disbanding units now provides only 10% of their production cost in gold. (new 10/20)
* Request – Enable “one more turn” button if you lose, but are still alive. (new 10/20)

AI
* Military – Defensive tactical AI update. When you are at war and threatening an enemy city, the AI will better utilize the garrison, as well as the surrounding terrain in defense of the target city. (new 10/20)

Finally some small improvements in tactical AI and removing overpowered features.

Jughead Spock 10-21-2010 02:43 AM

Cool, moving in the right direction, for sure.

The more I've played it, the more it's definitely felt like it needs a patch or three. I'm still not complaining, because I'm overwhelmingly positive about the changes they did make. Once it's patched to BTS-era IV, it'll be awesome.

Jughead Spock 10-21-2010 02:56 AM

Holy smokes, it's coming to Mac this 'holiday season'. Awesome. I don't have a Mac, but I know a few hardcore Civvies that do.

Ben E Lou 10-22-2010 10:58 AM

Patch Released.


Quote:

1.0.0.62
Released 10/22/2010
UI
  • Fix for production prompt that sometimes appears with newly created puppet states that could stop the player from being able to end the turn.
  • Aircraft banner corrections – now when you rebase an aircraft, the number will move with it.
  • Resource icons now come up with Ctrl-R again, instead of sharing the same button with Build Roads.
  • Selecting a great general will no longer cause yield icons to appear.
  • Added option to disable auto-unit cycling.
  • Fix for full-screen game when running dual monitors. Previously, the curser could scroll off the “open” side, and not be able to scroll the map in that direction.
  • Misc additional fixes to mouse controls, and other interface issues.
  • Rounded out financial information in the Economic Overview screen. Details now provided on the amount of gold provided by each city, the cost of buildings in each city, etc.
  • Auto-populate save menu with save file name
  • Allow selection of other cities by hex from within the city screen
  • Added detailed trade route info to Economic Overview screen
  • Added new tab to the Economic Overview Screen: "Resources & Happiness."
  • Added option to activate the mp score list in single player (for “always up” score similar to Civ IV.)
  • The Annex/Puppet/Raze popup now indicates how much extra Unhappiness will be assumed with each action.
  • If there are less than 5 buildings still needed to construct a National Wonder, the production popup tool-tip now lists which cities lack them.
  • Added Yield & Culture tool-tip info to the production popup.
  • Tweak information on the Global Politics tab in the Diplomacy Overview screen.
MODDING
  • Category list now displays correctly
  • “Installed” panel now displays ALL versions of a mod but prevents the user from enabling multiple versions.
GAMEPLAY
  • Workers - Added option to force workers to ignore manually made improvements (so they don’t change what you decide was best for a plot).
  • Workers - Fixed bug where number of turns to complete were incorrect in build action button tool-tip.
  • Economy - Fixed bug where players could disband a single unit, and not see the economic return until disbanding 1 more.
  • Economy – Increased city wealth setting to 25%
  • Economy – Multiple fixes to the way trade-routes are tabulated and recognized.
  • Economy - Can now sell Buildings in a city (to help lower maintenance for obsolete buildings later in the game).
  • Trade – Found and corrected a Trade problem that could cause your Resource inventory to multiply.
  • City States - Fixed a bug where you could not gift aircraft to city states.
  • Military - Medic promotion now only provides healing bonus for adjacent units.
  • Military – Fix for Minuteman movement.
  • Military – Correct promotions for “archer-like” units (horse archers, chariots).
  • Military - Embarked units will no longer slow enemy land units
  • Military - Improved unit cycling logic. Camera will jump around much less.
  • Balance - Engineers +1 hammer
  • Balance - Disbanding units now provides only 10% of their production cost in gold.
  • Request – Enable “one more turn” button if you lose, but are still alive.
AI
  • Military – Better handling of unit need (navy vs land, etc.) .
  • Military - AI will tend to build ships to deal with blockaded cities more often
  • Military – Corrected an issue hampering movement of AI armies, especially when in close proximity to enemy forces
  • Diplomacy – AI will be more reluctant to offer or accept open border agreements with more powerful opponents.
  • Diplomacy – Fix for never ending deals (peace, research agreements, etc).
  • City – City specialization and city focus improvements.
  • City - Cities that are Avoiding Growth will not grow while that option is selected
  • Workers – Priority of trading posts reduced, and rebalanced priorities on other improvements
  • Workers – Improved the path-finding mechanic when building route-to roads improved, including a large performance increase when evaluating road-pathing.
  • City - Make sure Puppets don't construct buildings that require Resources.
  • City - Add a Puppet city strategy that turns off training buildings and emphasizes gold.
  • Military – Defensive tactical AI update. When you are at war and threatening an enemy city, the AI will better utilize the garrison, as well as the surrounding terrain in defense of the target city.
MULTIPLAYER
  • Exploit – Fix for gifting unit exploit
  • Chat – Color-coding, sound alerts, etc., added for in-game chat system, including a larger window.
  • Deals – Additional deal validation put in place to verify deals before they are committed
MISC
  • Research treaties that end because you declare war will no longer grant the free tech
  • Save/Load – Fix for corrupted saves being experienced by some players in late-game.
  • Map - Huge map crash-during-load fix that were reported on some specific systems.
  • Map – Terrain caching fix that could cause problems for certain video cards (the “glowing red orbs” seen on the map are an indicator of this).
  • Map – Fix for the low res terrain that appears the first time the game is run (terrain tiles would not load in anything but low-res the first time you play on some computer configurations)
  • Strategic View – Crash fix for units rendering in background.
  • Strategic View – Fix for selecting units either standing on a city plot, or garrisoned in the city plot.
  • Eyefinity – Better handling of leader scenes when using Eyefinity displays.
  • Tutorials – Many tutorial tweaks and adjustments.
  • Multiple crash fixes.
  • Taller than wide map crash fix.


gi 10-22-2010 11:25 AM

Good, will test out LAN multiplayer tonight and verify it doesn't crash.

Butter 10-22-2010 11:39 AM

Sweet.

Does it work with saved games?

Buccaneer 10-22-2010 10:48 PM

For those with the Deluxe version trying to load a saved game with the new patch, wait till early next week for the hotfix.

Jughead Spock 10-26-2010 08:56 AM

At first glance, the patch seems to be doing its job. At least as far as peace treaties go anyway.

Minor rant... I took my laptop on a trip this weekend. Played Civ (offline) on the train ride over. Got to the hotel, can't start because I can't connect to Steam. No internet all weekend, so no Civ. Wouldn't say I was pissed, but I can certainly see why people are frustrated now.

Especially with the 'you have no network connection. Visit this website for support' Crazy.

gi 10-26-2010 10:34 AM

Still have crashes in multiplayer. Seem to be less now, but once every hour or so, hard crash that makes the screen go black or all goofy. Hard reset is only option.

Ben E Lou 10-26-2010 08:27 PM

Heh.

I am at war with France. They're ahead of me tech-wise. I managed to take Chartres from them, but I know I can't take more, so I built a Citadel on the side of Chartres facing their next city.

I put a Companion Cavalry in it. France then built Cherbourg two hexes away. The city is hitting my Cavalry every turn, but not doing enough damage to drop it below 9 HP. I'm collecting free unit experience from this. I wonder how long it'll last.

Ben E Lou 10-26-2010 09:04 PM

+2 levels so far, with no immediate end in sight.

Eaglesfan27 10-26-2010 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 2371759)
+2 levels so far, with no immediate end in sight.


I've seen that as well in my games. Some definite improvements to the AI are needed. I'm still having fun with the game despite these areas of concern.

Buccaneer 10-26-2010 10:00 PM

I think it's called XP Spamming or something like that. You can even do that early on against Barbarians since they will keep spawning from the camp.

Ben E Lou 10-27-2010 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27 (Post 2371763)
I've seen that as well in my games. Some definite improvements to the AI are needed. I'm still having fun with the game despite these areas of concern.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 2371779)
I think it's called XP Spamming or something like that. You can even do that early on against Barbarians since they will keep spawning from the camp.


Well, this is one of those things that falls more into the camp of "exploit" than "AI failing." In every case I can think of but this very odd one, an AI city should absolutely be hitting the most dangerous enemy unit in its radius every turn. Given that it wouldn't work at all in MP since the human simply wouldn't hit it, I say "just don't do it" when playing SP if you want a challenge. I'm doing it in this game just out of my own curiosity, but I won't do it again.

bulletsponge 10-27-2010 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 2371779)
I think it's called XP Spamming or something like that. You can even do that early on against Barbarians since they will keep spawning from the camp.


you can only max 30 xp against barbarians though

Passacaglia 11-04-2010 09:42 PM

Okay, time for me to buy this thing! I'm looking at steam, and it's got Civ V for 49.99, Civ V Digital Deluxe for 59.99, and Babylon for 49.99. Are there better version or cheaper prices out there?

EDIT: Or is steam the only place you can buy it digi-download? I thought I read something about there being several versions of the game, but it seems like there's really just Civ V, and Civ V plus Babylon.

Buccaneer 11-10-2010 07:43 PM

Info on the next patch.

Quote:

AI
Worker AI improvements .
Update to tactical AI pillaging code. Additionally, always check to make sure it’s not trying to pillage in an enemy dominance zone.
AI victory emphasis improvements (more efficient end-game when focusing on Science and Diplo victories).
AI should colonize other continents regularly.
AI will emphasize production of an Ocean going explorer unit when the time comes.
Adjust Napoleon to make him more likely to go for culture.
More aggressive second wave expansion (mostly off shore) after initial empire building and consolidation has occurred.
Optimization when finding routes (pathfinder improvement).
Multiple tweaks and bug fixes.
AI will now build ranged and mobile units more in line with the flavor settings.
Multiple defensive AI tweaks.

GAMEPLAY
Cities heal more quickly.
Only allow one upgrade per unit from a goody hut.

UI
Tweaked the single-player score list to hide the civs of unmet ai players.

DIPLO
AI's attitude towards you is now visible in the diplo screen and diplo drop-down.
Added info tooltip for an AI leader's mood. Lists things that are making an AI player happy/upset.
New diplo system: Declaration of Friendship (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
New diplo system: Denounce (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
New custom leader responses (Serious Expansion Warning, Aggressive Military, Luxury Exchange, Borders Exchange, Gift Request).

MODDING
Parent category counts now include counts of child categories.
Selecting/deselecting a category now automatically selects/deselects it's children and its parent.
Tweaked category name truncation to better fit names.
Hide categories w/ no children and a count of 0.
Added support for fallback languages (if mod is not translated, fall-back to English so text keys are not showing).

MISC
Fixed save format which causes saves to increase the memory footprint of the game drastically when loading frequently over the course of the game.



Finally a good step in the right direction in making this game more playable. I've stopped playing a month ago and could pick it up again if this patch is good. I think we still need some major AI 1upt tactical changes but those might take a while.

Big Fo 11-10-2010 08:20 PM

That is some good news. I haven't played this in awhile, partially do to a slew of good games that have come out recently but also because there are a number of bothersome flaws. At least a few of them might not be so bad after this patch.

heybrad 11-11-2010 02:32 PM

Sorry if this has already been asked, but how does licensing through Steam work if I want to install CIV 5 on my home PC and a laptop? Is it even possible?

Passacaglia 11-11-2010 02:33 PM

I think you can have the game on as many computers as you want, just not running at the same time.

heybrad 11-11-2010 02:47 PM

Thanks.

Ksyrup 11-11-2010 02:53 PM

I'm almost embarrassed to say this, but I have hardly touched the game since I bought it. And I don't really have an interest in playing it any time soon, either. I don't know why.

chesapeake 11-12-2010 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 2379462)
I'm almost embarrassed to say this, but I have hardly touched the game since I bought it. And I don't really have an interest in playing it any time soon, either. I don't know why.


I got 3.5 full games out of it and it appears that I am now done. I don't know whether to blame this iteration of the game or Civ IV for being such an outstanding game that I played out my Civ needs for a few years.

Ksyrup 11-12-2010 10:01 AM

Yeah, I kinda feel like it's the latter, simply because I haven't played enough of the new one to hate it or anything.

bhlloy 11-12-2010 10:08 AM

I played a couple of games and then put it down, probably for good unless a patch comes out that really gets people raving about it again. It just felt like some of the bugs/new features made the game much easier than it should have been and killed some of the depth of Civ 4. It was definitely a 50% love, 50% hate deal with the new features... if I go back to Civ it will be Civ 4.

Passacaglia 11-12-2010 10:12 AM

Have I been missing something, or is there no way to allocate between tax, science, and culture now?

chesapeake 11-12-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 2379858)
Have I been missing something, or is there no way to allocate between tax, science, and culture now?


No more sliders. Essentially cash comes from working tiles, science production is based on population and culture comes primarily from buildings. There are a host of exceptions and modifications.

Big Fo 11-12-2010 12:06 PM

Now that I have played a few games of Civ V, I think what I'd really love is Civ IV: BTS with a hexagonal map, one unit per tile, and an AI that is good at fighting with one unit per tile.

Butter 11-12-2010 12:24 PM

I don't know, I like some of the building progressions now, but the tech tree and the buildings are almost TOO linear, and the AI makes it a little too easy for you to get where you want to go.

It just seems like the design is a little off, but I can't put my finger on exactly why. It takes way too long to build things now, and the penalty/maintenance for buildings is too great.

As someone said (not sure if it was here or one of the Civ boards), this is the first Civ game that seems to be all about how not to build units, buildings, and cities and still win.

bhlloy 11-12-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2379946)
Now that I have played a few games of Civ V, I think what I'd really love is Civ IV: BTS with a hexagonal map, one unit per tile, and an AI that is good at fighting with one unit per tile.


+infinity

Toddzilla 11-12-2010 12:59 PM

I find it strange to be plugging along and around 1300 AD you discover another Civ that has 13,000 GP. Happens in every game, no matter the difficulty. How the hell does one civ just sit back and rake in the cash?

AlexB 11-12-2010 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2379946)
Now that I have played a few games of Civ V, I think what I'd really love is Civ IV: BTS with a hexagonal map, one unit per tile, and an AI that is good at fighting with one unit per tile.


but without the espionage

Passacaglia 11-13-2010 08:20 AM

Does anyone know exactly what a 'pact of cooperation' is? I can't find it in the manual.

chesapeake 11-15-2010 12:53 PM

I've wondered the same thing myself. It seems to play as an unofficial alliance of sorts. But, as near as I can tell, there are no formal obligations involved.

Celeval 11-15-2010 03:24 PM

My impression is that's a positive diplomatic value, and future negative impacts will be more impactful if done during the cooperation pact.

Toddzilla 11-17-2010 06:41 PM

I remember in Civ4 there were a large variety of strange maps - mazes, a wheel with a hub, etc.

Are there any available for Civ5?

Passacaglia 11-17-2010 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celeval (Post 2381108)
My impression is that's a positive diplomatic value, and future negative impacts will be more impactful if done during the cooperation pact.


So there's no documentation of what it actually means? That's insane.

Buccaneer 11-18-2010 07:18 PM

New info on the upcoming patch

Quote:

AI

* Worker AI improvements.
* Update to tactical AI pillaging code. Additionally, always check to make sure it’s not trying to pillage in an enemy dominance zone.
* AI victory emphasis improvements (more efficient end-game when focusing on Science and Diplo victories).
* AI should colonize other continents regularly.
* AI will emphasize production of an Ocean going explorer unit when the time comes.
* Adjust Napoleon to make him more likely to go for culture.
* More aggressive second wave expansion (mostly off shore) after initial empire building and consolidation has occurred.
* Optimization when finding routes (pathfinder improvement).
* Multiple tweaks and bug fixes.
* AI will now build ranged and mobile units more in line with the flavor settings.
* Multiple defensive AI tweaks.
* Never use ranged units to provide flanking bonuses. (Added 11/18)
* Improve AI use of protected bombard attacks (melee in front, ranged in the rear). (Added 11/18)
* Worker priority adjustments (prioritize pillaged tiles, etc.). (Added 11/18)
* Further pathfinder optimization. (Added 11/18)


GAMEPLAY

* Cities heal more quickly.
* Only allow one upgrade per unit from a goody hut.
* Science building track adjustments (cost, specialist slots, GP Points, etc). (Added 11/18)
* Amount of damage caused during naval combat increased. (Added 11/18)
* Melee horse units combat value lowered, and now receive a penalty when attacking cities. (Added 11/18)
* Lowered bonuses received from Maritime city-states. (Added 11/18)
* Removed maintenance from defensive buildings. (Added 11/18)
* Multiple unit upgrade track adjustments. Most (but not all) units now have a full upgrade path from start to finish. (Added 11/18)
* Open terrain penalty lowered. (Added 11/18)
* Policies must be selected the turn they are earned. (Added 11/18)
* Promotions must be selected the turn they are earned. If it’s as a result of combat, then the beginning of the next turn. (Added 11/18)


UI

* Tweaked the single-player score list to hide the civs of unmet ai players.
* Added game option to disable automated workers from removing features. (Added 11/18)


DIPLO

* AI's attitude towards you is now visible in the diplo screen and diplo drop-down.
* Added info tooltip for an AI leader's mood. Lists things that are making an AI player happy/upset.
* New diplo system: Declaration of Friendship (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
* New diplo system: Denounce (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
* New custom leader responses (Serious Expansion Warning, Aggressive Military, Luxury Exchange, Borders Exchange, Gift Request).


MODDING

* Parent category counts now include counts of child categories.
* Selecting/deselecting a category now automatically selects/deselects it's children and its parent.
* Tweaked category name truncation to better fit names.
* Hide categories w/ no children and a count of 0.
* Added support for fallback languages (if mod is not translated, fall-back to English so text keys are not showing).


MISC

* Fixed save format which causes saves to increase the memory footprint of the game drastically when loading frequently over the course of the game.

Now I am confident that Civ5 is heading in the right direction. The initial release was "dumbed downed" and I wonder if they would keep it that way or work on reducing or eliminating the cheese, exploits and overpowered features and elements.

Celeval 11-19-2010 10:41 PM

Wow, major changes in there - that'll knock out a lot of the "agreed-upon" strategies at this point. Probably a good thing.

Schmidty 11-19-2010 11:17 PM

I have a strange, annoying problem. I suddenly can't play Civ 5 in DirectX 11, even though I've always been able to before. It says I need Service Pack 2, but I have have Windows 7, not Vista.

For some reason, I can't post in the forums at all. I emailed a mod, but haven't heard back yet. Frustrating.

Jughead Spock 11-20-2010 12:33 PM

Imagine the patch should be literally any day now, since the Mac version hits on Nov. 23.

Flasch186 11-20-2010 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 2383666)
I have a strange, annoying problem. I suddenly can't play Civ 5 in DirectX 11, even though I've always been able to before. It says I need Service Pack 2, but I have have Windows 7, not Vista.

For some reason, I can't post in the forums at all. I emailed a mod, but haven't heard back yet. Frustrating.


I never have been able to.

MizzouRah 11-25-2010 04:39 PM

I've finally had some time to get into Civ 5 and I'm having a blast.

Buccaneer 12-03-2010 07:24 PM

Ok, now it's adding up to something serious - almost like a new game. Here are the additions to the list above:

Quote:

AI

* AI will be more aggressive about pursuing Diplo victory if they are wealthy. (Added 12/3)
* AI more effective with building, moving, and using aircraft and anti-aircraft more effectively. (Added 12/3)
* AI more likely to effectively use siege units in a city attack. (Added 12/3)
* Better nuke targeting by AI. (Added 12/3)
* Tactical AI Tuning: Reduce chance of AI civs making "suicide" attacks. (Added 12/3)
* Multiple tweaks and bug fixes. (Added 12/3)


GAMEPLAY

* Increased city strength ramp-up based on technology. (Added 12/3)
* Catapults and Trebuchets now weaker against units but stronger VS cities, and reduced effectiveness of Archers & Crossbowmen (and their UUs) VS cities. (Added 12/3)
* Have culture cost for policies never go down (trading away cities to reduce culture cost exploit). (Added 12/3)
* Reduced effects of Forbidden Palace and Meritocracy (Happiness per city). (Added 12/3)
* Reduced points from Wonders & Cities, increased points for population. (Added 12/3)
* Reduced culture needed for first plot acquisition. (Added 12/3)
* New Building: Circus Maximus (National Wonder for happiness track). (Added 12/3)
* New Building: National Treasury (National Wonder for economic track). (Added 12/3)
* Unhappiness beyond a certain point breeds rebels within your empire, based on the number of cities a player has. (Added 12/3)
* Reduced amount of food needed for cities to grow at larger sizes. (Added 12/3)
* Tradition branch balance (Landed Elite and Monarchy improvements). (Added 12/3)
* Liberty branch balance (Settler training bonus now only applies to capital). (Added 12/3)
* Buildings can now no longer provide more Happiness than there is population in a city (wonders are excluded from this). (Added 12/3)
* 3 new additional Natural Wonders added to gameplay, with accompanying “rarity” code. (Added 12/3)
* Multiple Tech Tree tweaks to address “slingshot” tech exploits. (Added 12/3)
* Killing a barb inside a city-state's territory now gives a 5-turn buffer where there is no Influence intrusion penalty. (Added 12/3)
* Reduced and balanced combat bonuses. (Added 12/3)


UI

* Additional updates to the Global Politics screen. (Added 12/3)
* Added game option to disable turn-blocking promotions and policy choices. (Added 12/3)


DIPLO

* Additional AI attitude tool-tips for cases that were not already covered. (Added 12/3)


MODDING

* Support for mods that perform major restructuring of the tech tree including adding, deleting, and updating techs, buildings, and units. (Added 12/3)
* Added GameEvents system for overriding Gameplay DLL specific functionality. (Added 12/3)
* Fixed "Reload Landmark System" mod flag to now refresh landmarks defined in "ArtDefine_Landmarks". (Added 12/3)
* Multiple SDK Updates (details to come with full patch notes). (Added 12/3)



AFShadow 12-03-2010 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 2388931)
Ok, now it's adding up to something serious - almost like a new game. Here are the additions to the list above:



Great news. I have been waiting for this patch to pick the game back up. Any word on when it will be released?

Ben E Lou 12-10-2010 02:11 PM

Patch estimated release date within a week. Full list of changes published.

December Patch - Full Change List

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2K Greg
[AI]

[TACTICAL AI]
  • Proper evaluation of which enemy units can reach my units next turn.
  • Sorting enemy targets (within a class) by damage.
  • Combine bombardment fire from cities with other ranged fire where possible.
  • Never target a city for a ranged attack when they are already at (or going to be at) 1 health.
  • Have the tactical AI be more aggressive about fortifying units that aren't moving anyways.
  • Make all forms of guarding improvements the lowest priority tactical AI moves.
  • Don't mark tiles adjacent to enemy at sea as good for flank attacks -- there is no flanking at sea.
  • Update to tactical AI pillaging code - now prioritize enemy land resources and trade routes (never regular mines or farms). Always uses the check to make sure AI is not trying to pillage in an enemy dominance zone. Barbarians will still target everything.
  • Never use ranged units to provide flank bonuses.
  • Reduce chance of AI civs making "suicide" attacks.
  • Changes to better protect the capital or any city with an enemy within 5 tiles.
[VICTORY]
  • AI will be more aggressive about pursuing Diplo victory (bribing City States) if they are wealthy.
  • AI will be more aggressive about building Spaceship parts when going for Science victory.
[CIVS]
  • Tweak a few leader settings to be more likely to use their traits.
  • Adjust Napoleon to make more likely to go for culture.
[COMBAT/UNITS]
  • AI will not use Horse as defenders on hills as much.
  • AI will often build more defensive troops.
  • AI will more aggressively hunt barbs in the early game.
  • Slightly more naval units.
  • AI will now build ranged and mobile units more in line with the flavor settings for the team - in general, this means more mobile units.
  • AI now builds, deploys, and uses air units more effectively.
  • Allow AI to build more units if above Prince.
  • AI will be more likely to build and bring siege units in a city attack.
  • Better nuke targeting by AI.
  • Won't build AA if no air threat.
  • Allow AI or automated human explorers to move to edge of sight range and then explore again.
[EXPLORATION/EXPANSION]
  • AI will emphasize getting an Ocean going explorer unit when the time comes.
  • AI slightly more likely to settle off home continent.
  • AI should colonize other continents regularly.
  • AI second wave expansion more aggressive.
  • Improve the AI's chances of setting up protected bombard attacks.
  • Settlers: should handle watery maps better.
  • AI will grab goody huts on other land masses.
  • AI will grab empty barb camps more often.
[WORKERS/CITY AI]
  • Large Cities should be more willing to build happiness and gold buildings.
  • Workers prioritize repair builds higher than other builds.
  • AI will be more likely to build a wall on any city that was an original capital.
  • Builder tasking now calculates yields appropriately during golden ages and weighs tiles according to how much stuff they provide overall as well as their maximum yield of a certain type.
  • More likely to build up economy early.
  • Multiple worker AI improvements.
[MISC]
  • Factor GS into flavors more.
  • Disband obsolete units even if not losing money.
  • Upgrade units a bit more.
  • Tweak flavors of policies a bit.
  • Have AI factor Grand Strategy into picking policies.
  • AI will factor grand strategy into tech choices a bit more.
  • AI don't send a barb expedition if defenses are critical.
  • AI less likely to pick a city on an inland sea for serious naval production.
  • Additional pathfinder optimization.
[GAMEPLAY]

[CITY/BUILDINGS]
  • Added "National Treasury" national wonder, which requires Markets in all cities. Provides +8 Gold per turn to the city in which it's built.
  • Added “Circus Maximus” national wonder, which requires Colosseums in all cities.. Provides 5 Happiness.
  • Library now has no specialist slots.
  • Wat now has two specialist slots.
  • Public school now has 1 Science per pop, +1 free Great Scientist point, +1 Culture for 3 gold maintenance.
  • Observatory now has 1 specialist slot.
  • Research Lab has two specialist slots.
  • Public school now provides 1 beaker per pop for 3 gold maintenance.
  • Watermill now provides +2 good and +1 production for 2 gold maintenance.
  • Paper Maker now has no specialist slots.
  • Circus now has +2 happiness and no maintenance.
  • Theatre now has +5 happiness.
  • Stadium now has +5 happiness.
  • Reduced production cost and maintenance for the Courthouse.
  • Courthouse can now be purchased in a city (although it is expensive).
  • Removed maintenance from city defense buildings (Walls, Castle, Military Base).
  • City defense buildings now help cities heal.
  • Increased city strength ramp-up based on technology.
  • Reduced effects of Forbidden Palace and Meritocracy (Happiness per city).
  • Reduced amount of food needed for cities to grow at larger sizes.
  • Buildings can now no longer provide more Happiness than there is population in a city (wonders are excluded from this).
  • Ironworks now gives 10 hammers instead of a % bonus.
  • National College now gives +5 science in addition to the % bonus.
  • Hermitage gives 5 culture in addition to its previous bonus.
  • Raze/Unraze exploit fixed.
  • Cities being razed are unhappy about it (only during the razing process).
  • Cities heal more quickly.
[UNITS/PROMOTIONS]
  • Cavalry can now go obsolete with Combustion.
  • Stealth bombers cannot use carriers.
  • Only allow one upgrade per unit from a goody hut.
  • Add second embarkation promotion ("Defensive Embarkation").
  • Amount of damage done during naval combat increased.
  • All melee horse units get penalty attacking cities.
  • Increased city attack penalty for mounted and armor units to 50% (from 40%).
  • Lancers (and Lancer UUs) upgrade to helicopter.
  • Lowered combat value of Horseman and Companion Cavalry.
  • Promotions must be picked the turn they're earned.
  • Can no longer promote a unit that has fought during the turn (instead, the promotion comes up the beginning of the following turn).
  • Catapults and Trebuchets now weaker against units but stronger VS cities.
  • Reduced effectiveness of Archers & Crossbowmen (and their UUs) VS cities.
  • Reduced some combat bonuses: flanking (15 to 10), Great Generals (25 to 20), Discipline (15 to 10), Military Tradition (2x to 1.5x).
  • Remove requirement for aluminum on Mobile SAM.
  • Lower open terrain penalty to 10% .
  • Marsh is now 3 moves to enter (Chariots do not move quickly through it anymore).
  • Cavalry now upgrade to tanks.
[CITY STATES]
  • Reduced bonuses from Maritime city-states - Friends: +2 food in capital, +0 food in other cities - Allies: +3 food in capital, +1 food in other cities
  • Only the first 3 units gifted to a city-state will earn Influence now.
  • Killing a barb inside a city-state's territory now gives a 5-turn buffer where there is no Influence intrusion penalty.
[HAPPINESS]
  • If an empire reaches -20 Happiness, it goes into revolt, and rebels start appearing throughout the empire, based on the number of cities.
  • Amount of Happiness needed to trigger a Golden Age reduced.
  • Amount of Happiness needed to trigger a Golden Age now increases as the number of cities in the empire goes up.
[POLICIES]
  • Landed Elite (Tradition Branch) now reduces culture cost of border growth by 2/3.
  • Monarchy (Tradition Branch) now provides +1 Gold per 2 pop in the Capital..
  • Liberty now provides a Settler training bonus to only the capital, and not every city.
  • Tradition now provides +50% growth in the capital.
  • Theocracy now reduces Unhappiness by 25% .
  • Reformation now gives a 10-turn GA.
  • Adopting Rationalism now gives a 4-turn GA.
[TECH TREE]
  • Add link between Military Science and Dynamite.
  • Add link between Civil Service and Education.
  • Add link between Economics and Scientific Theory.
  • Add link between Chivalry and Acoustics.
  • Research overflow now works correctly (extra beakers after completing a tech will rollover to the next tech).
[GENERAL]
  • Fixed bug where clicking on a city plot wouldn't select the garrison.
  • Natural wonders now award culture (if worked) and happiness (if in border) if that trait is assigned to a wonder in XML.
  • Players must now always adopt Policies immediately, and cannot defer picking until later.
  • Have culture cost for policies never go down (trading away cities to reduce culture cost exploit). Razing cities will not raise your policy cost ceiling.
  • Reduced culture needed for first plot acquisition from 20 to 15.
  • 3 new Natural Wonders and rarity code for both base game and New World scenario.
  • Reduced points from Wonders (40 to 25) & Cities (10 to 8), increased points for pop by 1 (3 to 4).
[DIPLOMACY]
  • AI's attitude towards you is now visible in the diplo screen and diplo drop-down.
  • Added info tooltip for an AI leader's mood. Lists things that are making an AI player happy/upset.
  • New diplo system: Declaration of Friendship (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
  • New diplo system: Denounce (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
  • New custom leader responses (Serious Expansion Warning, Aggressive Military, Luxury Exchange, Borders Exchange, Gift Request, etc.).
  • Not agreeing to a friend's request now results in a relations hit.
  • Third party AIs can now respond when a player makes a DoF or denounces someone. What they say is based on the situation - e.g. if you make friends with someone they don't like, they'll scold you.
  • AI leaders will now sometimes ask their friends to denounce one of their enemies as a show of support, and refusing to denounce someone when an AI asks can now make them very upset.
  • AI is now capable of denouncing friends (aka, backstabbing) and added backstabbing info to diplo overview screen.
[UI]
  • Add XP bar for air units, do not allow XP for air units attacking a city that is already down to its last hit-point.
  • Change ActivePlayer's name to "You" in single player in score list.
  • Added game option to disable automated workers from removing features.
  • Fixed bug where Happiness from garrisoned units wasn't being listed in Happiness info tooltip.
  • Load Map function will now display correct size and type of saved map.
  • New “Angry Genghis” loading screen (replaces the “fluffy-bunny Genghis” loading screen).
  • Added setup options to allow players to defer choosing Policies and Promotions right away.
  • Show the river penalty when attacking city across river (the penalty was there but was not being shown in the preview).
  • Global politics screen updated to reflect new diplo system.
  • Can no longer Force End Turn (shift-enter) through blocking notifications. CAN now use it to skip over units which need orders.
  • Multiple tweaks and bug fixes.

[MISC]
  • Fix small bugs with adding long roads around existing features.
  • Fixed bombard arrow across world wrap.
[MODDING]
  • Parent category counts now include counts of child categories.
  • Selecting/deselecting a category now automatically selects/deselects it's children and its parent.
  • Tweaked category name truncation to better fit names.
  • Hide categories w/ no children and a count of 0.
  • Added support for fallback languages (if mod is not translated, fall-back to English so text keys are not showing).
  • The pager for the installed mods tab of the mods browser is now displayed in the correct location.
  • Long values for properties such as "Special Thanks" will no longer extend past the edge browser frame.
  • Categories refresh much faster now in the mods browser.
  • Multiple additional tweaks and fixes to the mod browser.
  • Support for mods that perform major restructuring of the tech tree including adding, deleting, and updating techs, buildings, and units.
  • Added GameEvents system for overriding Gameplay DLL specific functionality.
  • Fixed "Reload Landmark System" mod flag to now refresh landmarks defined in "ArtDefine_Landmarks".
  • Multiple SDK updates (new version to go live shortly).
[SERIALIZATION/SAVES]
  • Fixed save format which causes saves to increase the memory footprint of the game drastically when loading frequently over the course of the game. This heightened the risk of late-game our of memory crashes significantly.


Mizzou B-ball fan 12-10-2010 04:50 PM

Ton of changes. Looking forward to seeing AI with new fixes.

Buccaneer 12-10-2010 07:14 PM

Full Patch Notes released.

December Patch - Full Change List

Looking awesome, esp. the AI changes and the nerfing of the overpowered Horsemen of the Apocalypse and the City-States ATM.

Ben E Lou 12-15-2010 04:57 PM

Patch is released. Downloading now.

aran 12-15-2010 05:39 PM

I'm quite impressed with this changelist. It looks like they've cut out some of the annoyingly common tactics that pushed me towards shelving the game.

Buccaneer 12-15-2010 07:05 PM

Impressions post-patch?

Alan T 12-16-2010 12:21 PM

Just a note for those that got in on the pre-order deals, I just got a note from direct2drive that my bonus free first DLC is now available to me. The Inca/Spain double civilization/scenerio pack.

Ben E Lou 12-27-2010 02:18 PM

Got a great person from a C-S ally, but because of the lay of the land, the cultural borders of the nearby nation make it impossible to move it out. I haven't made it to the extreme late game due to crashes before now. Is there any sort of airlift that I can do out of the C-S, or do I have only two choices as to how I can get it out of there?

1. Open Borders
2. War

bulletsponge 12-28-2010 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 2399605)
Got a great person from a C-S ally, but because of the lay of the land, the cultural borders of the nearby nation make it impossible to move it out. I haven't made it to the extreme late game due to crashes before now. Is there any sort of airlift that I can do out of the C-S, or do I have only two choices as to how I can get it out of there?

1. Open Borders
2. War


boat. your GP can embark and swim home

Ben E Lou 12-28-2010 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletsponge (Post 2399998)
boat. your GP can embark and swim home


No. Surrounded on all sides by a civ that refuses to do open borders with me.

henry296 12-28-2010 10:40 PM

Has anyone seen this?

I traded a couple of my excess luxury resources for another luxury resource and my hapinees got much worse? In fact, I lost credit for the items I traded. I'm extremely confident I had extras as I have tons of land and resources.

Mike Lowe 01-21-2011 11:28 PM

This may be a silly question, but is there a reason this game suddenly runs incredibly slow after upgrading to Windows 7?

It's either that or the patch...

cartman 01-25-2011 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Lowe (Post 2412824)
This may be a silly question, but is there a reason this game suddenly runs incredibly slow after upgrading to Windows 7?

It's either that or the patch...


I've been getting constant crashes in Civ 5 since the last patch. A search of The Google shows that there are a ton of cases with the latest patch causing issues with folks running Win 7 64 bit. I can't make it more than 10 or 15 turns before a crash happens.

Coffee Warlord 01-25-2011 11:17 AM

It'd be nice if I could play a huge map game without it blowing up / being incredibly slow once it gets to the later eras.

Jughead Spock 02-02-2011 02:16 AM

How's this going for everyone? I've kinda shelved it for now until there's some AI improvements. I still like it a lot, but it gets mundane pretty quickly as it is. For better/worse, it definitely doesn't feel as 'deep' as IV.

I've pondered putting IV back on, but I don't know if I can go back to squares and stacks of doom. Hexes & 1UPT is awesome.

Buccaneer 02-02-2011 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jughead Spock (Post 2418336)
I've pondered putting IV back on, but I don't know if I can go back to squares and stacks of doom. Hexes & 1UPT is awesome.


I cannot go back to squares and SoD (unless playing Civ4:Col AoD2). I am finding the AI to be more aggressive in trying to win and thus, making it harder for me to beat them. For example, if Greece is on the map, they will go hard after city-states, your cities-states and what they can't bribe, they will conquer. That's what happened in my last game in which I tried to win a cultural game (which is challenging to do). Other than that, the AI still has trouble tactically but it's noticeably improved post-patch, imo.

Butter 02-02-2011 11:54 AM

Yeah, I think the CPU is definitely harder to beat now. It's a pretty fun game on Prince difficulty (the even-with-the-AI difficulty). But it's still not matching the fun I had with Civ IV. Still needs some tweaks. Something is definitely still missing.

Mike Lowe 02-02-2011 03:28 PM

Is there a plan for another patch? Seems odd for Sid to just ignore this game!

Buccaneer 02-02-2011 04:14 PM

Even with Jon Shafer gone, 2K announced that new patches were forthcoming (perhaps even an expansion pack?). Sid has left this ship a long time ago and have been working on a facebook version of Civ (ugh).

Bobble 02-03-2011 07:10 AM

Anyone else getting a crashload....I mean, crapload of crashes? There's points in the game, using a large map, that I can't go 10 turns without a crash.

A-Husker-4-Life 02-03-2011 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 2418651)
Even with Jon Shafer gone, 2K announced that new patches were forthcoming (perhaps even an expansion pack?). Sid has left this ship a long time ago and have been working on a facebook version of Civ (ugh).


Oh gosh, really... Wow the civ franschise is dieing a horrible death, Facebook really.....

I really hope Sid comes down from his high horse and start to work on Civ6. Maybe in 4 years we'll get a descent CIV game again..

Jughead Spock 02-03-2011 08:40 AM

I don't think Sid's actually been involved since Civ II, if that.

gi 02-03-2011 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobble (Post 2418952)
Anyone else getting a crashload....I mean, crapload of crashes? There's points in the game, using a large map, that I can't go 10 turns without a crash.


ATI video card?

Bobble 02-04-2011 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gi (Post 2419090)
ATI video card?


Why, yes. Talk to me. Solutions?

Edward64 02-05-2011 06:46 AM

I had fun with Civ5 and played it on-and-off for a couple months. It was fun but hasn't grabbed -- in fact seeing this thread again made me feel guilty that I had not played it in a while.

Haven't figured out why exactly. I remember enjoying it for the first month.

Ready for some expansion packs and additional goodies.

gi 02-05-2011 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobble (Post 2419892)
Why, yes. Talk to me. Solutions?



My wife and I had the same issue, have to up the overclock with a tool I found. The problem was with the card powering up and down depending on resource need. I had to set it to always be HIGH.

I'll get the link to the tool as soon as my kid is taking his nap in a couple hours.

gi 02-05-2011 09:01 AM

Okay:

ATI Tray Tools by Ray Adams

ATI Tray Tools Free Download and Reviews - Fileforum

You can find it else where as well. ATI Tray Tools Public Beta Section - Guru3D.com Forums


After you install it, right click on the taskbar icon -> Choose Hardware -> Overclock Settings

Change Voltage to the highest. On my card it is changed from 0.950 to 1.100

Click Apply

I'm good to go when I do this. Still need to invest time to make this change happen automatically every time I boot the computer.

Hope this helps.

Ksyrup 02-05-2011 09:18 AM

It is hard for me to figure out why, but I haven't had the faintest interest in playing this game since the first week it came out. Of course, I haven't gone back to CIV IV either, so I don't know if I'm all played out of this game or if the new one has soured me on the entire thing. I've played the new one so little that I'm pretty sure I could go back to IV without a problem.

Bobble 02-06-2011 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gi (Post 2420053)
Okay:

ATI Tray Tools by Ray Adams

ATI Tray Tools Free Download and Reviews - Fileforum

You can find it else where as well. ATI Tray Tools Public Beta Section - Guru3D.com Forums


After you install it, right click on the taskbar icon -> Choose Hardware -> Overclock Settings

Change Voltage to the highest. On my card it is changed from 0.950 to 1.100

Click Apply

I'm good to go when I do this. Still need to invest time to make this change happen automatically every time I boot the computer.

Hope this helps.


Cool. Thanks. I updated the drivers (thanks, Dell, for making that hard to do) and I'll try this if I continue to have issues.

Carman Bulldog 02-16-2011 02:31 PM

So I've been out of the Civ game for awhile, and in fact the only Civ game that I had really played was the original for a big period of time in the mid-late Nineties.

Recently, I played a bit of Civ Revolution for the Xbox 360 and want to get back into the PC version.

Is there a recommendation for the best version? Is Civ better than Civ IV? From some of what I've read, Civ II is still some people's favourite.

Jughead Spock 02-16-2011 03:03 PM

You will find a religious faction for all of 'em, but I *think* Civ IV (w/ BTS expansion) is the go-to. You certainly won't regret it.

molson 02-16-2011 03:31 PM

I haven't played CIV V yet, but the reaction to it has been underwhelming. And CIV IV with the expansions gets thrown around in "best PC game ever" conversations. And it's not really that old a game - it was perfected with the last patch/expansion within the last 2 years or so.

Meanwhile, this thread is depressing.

dolfin 02-16-2011 03:38 PM

I've been playing Civ V again recently and while I am having fun, I think I'd recommend Civ IV as well. With you mentioning Civ:Rev and wanting to get back to the PC version, I'd think you will get more enjoyment out Civ IV. To me, Civ V seems a little more akin to Civ:Rev than Civ IV

PadresFan104 02-16-2011 03:58 PM

I prefer Civ V as it looks prettier than the older versions. And no, I'm not kidding... :)

gstelmack 02-16-2011 04:32 PM

Giving Up On Civilization 5 | No High Scores seems to be an interesting writeup on Civ V.

Buccaneer 02-16-2011 06:16 PM

I'm having fun with Civ5 despite its weaknesses. I don't think I could go back to Civ4.

bhlloy 02-16-2011 06:18 PM

Civ 4 with BTS is almost certainly a more balanced game, but I don't think I could go back to stack of doom and the old hexes. If they could just find a way to mix the two, that would be an incredible game IMO.

Buccaneer 02-16-2011 07:08 PM

Speaking of balancing, here are the notes to the next patch

Quote:

Along with these notes, I have an introduction from Dennis, the Civilization V producer at Firaxis. We wanted to give you a little insight in to the thought process behind this patch's changes, so be sure to give it a read before diving in to the changes themselves:


The upcoming patch will contain some significant balance adjustments to Civ V. We thought it would be a good idea to give everyone a quick run-down on our thoughts behind these changes and a look at what further balance work lies ahead….

This February patch comes at a great time for making balance changes; The five months since Civ V’s release has given us time to analyze reports of dominant strategies and implement and test deeper changes that will better balance the game in several key areas.

Working with our “Frankenstein” gameplay test group, we have been looking closely at the tradeoffs between building a Wide empire (one with lots of smaller cities sprawling across the map) and a Tall empire (one with just a few highly populous, highly productive cities). With this patch you’ll see a number of changes to the economic side of the game to bring these two play styles in closer balance with each other. City spacing, building effects and the Liberty and Tradition policy trees are where the most extensive changes have occurred. We’re now seeing games where a Tall empire can match or even exceed a Wide one in production and science output even deep into the game.

We wanted to improve the effectiveness of buildings. We also wanted to improve how cities interact with the map. Adjustments to terrain have increased production, while buildings that modify production have been adjusted in tune with these changes. You’ll find many buildings to be easier to build, with extra benefits, especially if you’ve settled near beneficial terrain and resources. We've continued to make improvements to pacing, diplomacy, turn times, the AI, and other aspects of the game.

With future patches we’ll continue to iterate through Civ V systems and fine tune the balance of each one. So far we’ve already identified combat, multiplayer, late-game policies, wonders and civilization-unique bonuses as additional areas that will benefit from this sort of attention. And as this journey progresses we promise to keep an ear to the ground for other areas the Civilization community may want us to address. Continued collaboration between community, our gameplay testers, and the development team will be nothing but a win for Civ V.
And so without further ado, the changes:

ENGINE
•Significant turn time improvements.
•Invisible Rivers now display correctly. This caused many issues because the player could not see some rivers, like fresh water showing up in strange places, unit movement suddenly shortened, etc.. Basically, there were certain rivers that did not display where forks occurred, etc.

USER INTERFACE
•Add combat summary when a city bombards a unit
•Add a new diplomatic status "Denouncing" that displays on the turn that an AI civ is denouncing the player
•Embarked units no longer look like they have 500 strength
•User warned if about to declare war on a city state that is under protection of a major power

GAMEPLAY
•Taper off benefit of excess food when building settlers
•City-States now recognize when a road is connected for their road-connection quest.
•Golden Ages now provide +20% production per city rather than +1 hammer per tile

STRATEGIC AI
•Prevent AI from building too many AA units
•Don't allow CSs to build Manhattan Project
•AI calculation of enemy military might are tweaked based on size of enemy gold reserve
•AI calculation of enemy power now takes into account promotions

DIPLOMATIC AI
•Avoid cascades of denunciations against a single player. AI now uses its own current friendliness level with a given power to determine how much weight to place on a denunciation against that power.
•Denunciations expire after 50 turns
•Declarations of Friendship expire after 50 turns

MODDING
•Added support for policies that provide culture from kills
•Added support for policies that provide extra culture from cultural improvements
•Added support for policies that provide extra embarked movement
•Added support for policies that provide free Great People
•Online Panel now displays TOTAL downloads for a mod and not just the downloads for that specific version.
•When you click on a mod in the online browser, you may now use a dropdown to select a previous version.
•Added Line Control for modders to use when creating graphs, etc.

MULTIPLAYER
•Can now use DLC civilizations in multiplayer
•Added Ring, Skirmish and Ancient Lake maps to MP.

BUG FIXES
•Clear up cases where diplomatic status could show as "Friendly" even after that AI power has denounced the player.
•Fix situations where AI demeanor and verbiage didn't match friendliness level shown in diplomatic status string.
•Additional bug fixes and tweaks.

BALANCE CHANGES

Game Rules
•Cities must now have three or more tiles in between them (1 more tile than before), unless separated by a sea/coast tile.
•Cities now only get 1 free production and 0 free gold (1 less in both cases)
•Trade routes get bonus gold based on population of capital; formula changed a bit so minimal gold received for hooking up very small cities
•Bonus production from excess food (used when building settlers) tapers off if excess is 3 or more.
•Allied maritime city states provide 3 food per turn to the capital, not 4
•Balance pass on production and maintenance costs throughout the game.

Buildings
•Aqueduct added (entirely new building). 40% of Food is carried over after a new Citizen is born.
•Palace boosted to 3 gold and 3 production
•Granary gives bonus 1 food for Wheat/Banana Deer; cost reduced
•Market and Bazaar provide 2 gold (as well as +25%)
•Workshop provides 2 production (bonus reduced to +15% but affects ALL production); cost increased
•Windmill now has a +15% production modifier (for buildings only) and provides 2 production
•Stable gives bonus 1 production for Sheep/Cattle/Horse and can be built with Sheep or Cattle; cost reduced
•Lighthouse gives bonus 1 food for Fish; cost reduced
•Ironworks dropped to 8 production (but earlier in tech tree now)
•Factory requires Workshop; add 3 production but boost now just 25%; has 1 more specialist slot (now 2)
•Nuclear and Solar Plants now require Factory but increase to production is now 35% and provide 4 production themselves; these two now mutually exclusive
•Hospital adds 5 food (but no longer retains food), requires Aqueduct
•Forge adds +1 production to each source of Iron
•Reduced Armory maintenance to 2 gold
•Reduced Colosseum happiness to 3, and reduced maintenance to 2 gold
•Reduced Theatre happiness to 4
•Reduced Monastery maintenance to 0 gold
•Reduced Garden maintenance to 1 gold
•Reduced Observatory maintenance to 0 gold
•Reduced Opera House culture to 4, and reduced maintenance to 2 gold
•Removed the Great Person Point from Public School

Specialist Adjustments
•Temple -1 Artist
•Mud Pyramid Mosque -1 Artist
•Opera House +1 Artist
•Bank -1 Merchant
•Satraps Court -1 Merchant
•Stock Exchange +1 Merchant
•Observatory -1 Scientist
•University +1 Scientist
•Garden -1 Artist
•Laboratory -1 Scientist
•Public School +1 Scientist

Improvements/Routes
•Production bonus from Railroads reduced to 25%
•Removed 1 extra gold from Mine on Gems, Gold, Silver, Marble.
•Fishing Boats give 1 food, not gold.
•Fishing Boats give 1 gold with Compass.
•Camps on Deer give production instead of food .
•Remove 1 extra food from Sugar plantations.
•Trading Post gold reduced from 2 to 1 (increases back to 2 when hit Economics).
•Trading Post & Camp gold increases by 1 with Economics.
•Lumbermill production increases by 1 with Scientific Theory (moved up from Steam Power).
•Mine & Quarry production increases by 1 with Chemistry.
•Plantation & Pasture food increases by 1 with Fertilizer.
•Well & Offshore Platform boosted to 3 production (from 1).
•Academy increased to 6 Science.
•Landmark increased to 6 Culture.
•Manufactory increased to 4 Production.

Policies
•Tradition: Culture border expansion discount in cities placed on Tradition branch opener. Discount increases over the course of the game. Also grants +3 Culture in the capital.
•Aristocracy: Wonder bonus reduced by 5% to 20%.
•Legalism: Provides a free Culture building in your first 4 cities.
•Oligarchy: Garrisoned units cost no maintenance, and cities with a garrison gain +100% ranged combat strength.
•Landed Elite: +15% Growth, and +2 Food per city.
•Monarchy: +1 Gold and -1 Unhappiness for every 2 Citizens in your capital.
•Liberty: +1 culture per turn in every city.
•Collective Rule: Settler production increased by 50%, and a free Settler appears near the capital.
•Citizenship: Worker construction rate increased by 25%, and a free Worker appears near the capital.
•Representation: Each city you found will increase the cost of your next Policy by 33% less. Also starts a Golden Age.
•Order: Reduce Order production bonus to 15%.
•Meritocracy: +0.5 Happiness for each city connected to the capital, and a free Great Person of your choice appears near the capital.

Resources
•Fish reduced to 1 food (but can be boosted back to 2 with Lighthouse)
•Marble boosts wonder production by 20%, down from 25%

Technologies
•Scaled up tech costs throughout the game (slight change for early eras; close to double for Modern)
•Move Lumbermills up to Construction
•Move Bridge Building back to Engineering
•Move Ironworks to Machinery

Units
•Workboat cost increased
•Settler cost increased by 25%

Wonders
•Colossus no longer goes obsolete
•Angkor Wat now provides a 25% discount for the costs (both culture and gold) to gain plots empire-wide.

Civ Unique Bonuses
•Reduce Chu-ko-nu from 10 to 9 ranged strength
•Doubled culture from kills for Aztecs
•Krepost now provides a 25% discount for the costs (both culture and gold) to gain plots in the city.
•Paper Maker only provides 2 gold but no longer requires any building maintenance

Map Generation Changes
•Increased Oil quantity per resource.
•Minimum Uranium is now 2.
•Cut Deer Appearance in Arctic regions.
•Adjusted Sheep placement so it is more spread out.
•Decreased Wheat appearance in Plains.
•Increases Cow appearance overall, including adding up to 2 Cow tiles to heavy grass start positions.


Buccaneer 03-01-2011 07:48 PM

Patch released. Some changes to what I posted above.

Big Fo 03-02-2011 11:24 PM

I just hit the Industrial Age in my first game with the new patch (and my first game in months). I haven't fought enough battles to comment on any combat AI improvements (I defeated the only other Civ on my continent in the spearmen/knights/crossbowmen era) but the balance between early techs and midgame techs seems better and various aspects of the economy (tile output, building costs/maintenance, building effects) seems better. It's encouraging at least.

cartman 03-12-2011 07:54 PM

The new patch has resolved the issue of the game crashing after 10 or 15 turns for me. Glad to be able to play it again!

thealmighty 03-12-2011 10:48 PM

Recently got the game. Won the first effort on lower end difficulty (I suck at Civ) after 350 turns or so.

Question I have is if/when barbarians quit popping up everywhere, every turn. Quite a pain in the ass to still have them to deal with when a whole continent is under your control.

Mizzou B-ball fan 04-20-2011 10:03 PM

Update ready to download......

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1.0.1.221a

• Fixed graphical issues on Intel HD 3000 GPU.
• Newly supported video cards – ATI HD 6750, ATI HD 6490, ATI HD 5870, ATI HD 5770, and Intel HD 3000.

ENGINE
• Significant turn time improvements.
• Invisible Rivers now display correctly. This caused many issues because the player could not see some rivers, like fresh water showing up in strange places, unit movement suddenly shortened, etc.. Basically, there were certain rivers that did not display where forks occurred, etc.
• Memory leak – UI – Change the way the UI Manager calculates the hash of a texture so that different ways of specifying the same texture will not load the same texture more than once.

CRASH/TURN SPIKE
• Correct coding error that could cause turn-time spikes, incorrect deployments for protected bombard attack, or incorrect deployments as armies marched across the map

USER INTERFACE
• Add combat summary when a city bombards a unit
• Add a new diplomatic status "Denouncing" that displays on the turn that an AI civ is denouncing the player
• Embarked units no longer look like they have 500 strength
• User warned if about to declare war on a city state that is under protection of a major power

GAMEPLAY
• Taper off benefit of excess food when building settlers
• City-States now recognize when a road is connected for their road-connection quest.
• Golden Ages now provide +20% production per city rather than +1 hammer per tile

STRATEGIC AI
• Prevent AI from building too many AA units
• Don't allow CSs to build Manhattan Project
• AI calculation of enemy military might are tweaked based on size of enemy gold reserve
• AI calculation of enemy power now takes into account promotions

DIPLOMATIC AI
• Avoid cascades of denunciations against a single player. AI now uses its own current friendliness level with a given power to determine how much weight to place on a denunciation against that power.
• Denunciations expire after 50 turns
• Declarations of Friendship expire after 50 turns

MULTIPLAYER
• Can now use DLC civilizations in multiplayer
• Added Ring, Skirmish and Ancient Lake maps to MP.

BUG FIXES
• Clear up cases where diplomatic status could show as "Friendly" even after that AI power has denounced the player.
• Fix situations where AI demeanor and verbiage didn't match friendliness level shown in diplomatic status string.
• Additional bug fixes and tweaks.

BALANCE CHANGES

Game Rules
• Cities must now have three or more tiles in between them (1 more tile than before), unless separated by a sea/coast tile.
• Cities now only get 1 free production and 0 free gold (1 less in both cases)
• Trade routes get bonus gold based on population of capital; formula changed a bit so minimal gold received for hooking up very small cities
• Bonus production from excess food (used when building settlers) tapers off if excess is 3 or more.
• Allied maritime city states provide 3 food per turn to the capital, not 4
• Balance pass on production and maintenance costs throughout the game.

Buildings
• Aqueduct added (entirely new building). 40% of Food is carried over after a new Citizen is born.
• Palace boosted to 3 gold and 3 production
• Granary gives bonus 1 food for Wheat/Banana Deer; cost reduced
• Market and Bazaar provide 2 gold (as well as +25%)
• Workshop provides 2 production (bonus reduced to +15% but affects ALL production); cost increased
• Windmill now has a +15% production modifier (for buildings only) and provides 2 production
• Stable gives bonus 1 production for Sheep/Cattle/Horse and can be built with Sheep or Cattle; cost reduced
• Lighthouse gives bonus 1 food for Fish; cost reduced
• Ironworks dropped to 8 production (but earlier in tech tree now)
• Factory requires Workshop; add 3 production but boost now just 25%; has 1 more specialist slot (now 2)
• Nuclear and Solar Plants now require Factory but increase to production is now 35% and provide 4 production themselves; these two now mutually exclusive
• Hospital adds 5 food (but no longer retains food), requires Aqueduct
• Forge adds +1 production to each source of Iron
• Reduced Armory maintenance to 2 gold
• Reduced Colosseum happiness to 3, and reduced maintenance to 2 gold
• Reduced Theatre happiness to 4
• Reduced Monastery maintenance to 0 gold
• Reduced Garden maintenance to 1 gold
• Reduced Observatory maintenance to 0 gold
• Reduced Opera House culture to 4, and reduced maintenance to 2 gold
• Removed the Great Person Point from Public School

Specialist Adjustments
• Temple -1 Artist
• Mud Pyramid Mosque -1 Artist
• Opera House +1 Artist
• Bank -1 Merchant
• Satraps Court -1 Merchant
• Stock Exchange +1 Merchant
• Observatory -1 Scientist
• University +1 Scientist
• Garden -1 Artist
• Laboratory -1 Scientist
• Public School +1 Scientist

Improvements/Routes
• Production bonus from Railroads reduced to 25%
• Removed 1 extra gold from Mine on Gems, Gold, Silver, Marble.
• Fishing Boats give 1 food, not gold.
• Fishing Boats give 1 gold with Compass.
• Camps on Deer give production instead of food .
• Remove 1 extra food from Sugar plantations.
• Trading Post gold reduced from 2 to 1 (increases back to 2 when hit Economics).
• Trading Post & Camp gold increases by 1 with Economics.
• Lumbermill production increases by 1 with Scientific Theory (moved up from Steam Power).
• Mine & Quarry production increases by 1 with Chemistry.
• Plantation & Pasture food increases by 1 with Fertilizer.
• Well & Offshore Platform boosted to 3 production (from 1).
• Academy increased to 6 Science.
• Landmark increased to 6 Culture.
• Manufactory increased to 4 Production.

Policies
• Tradition: Culture border expansion discount in cities placed on Tradition branch opener. Discount increases over the course of the game. Also grants +3 Culture in the capital.
• Aristocracy: Wonder bonus reduced by 5% to 20%.
• Legalism: Provides a free Culture building in your first 4 cities.
• Oligarchy: Garrisoned units cost no maintenance, and cities with a garrison gain +100% ranged combat strength.
• Landed Elite: +15% Growth, and +2 Food per city.
• Monarchy: +1 Gold and -1 Unhappiness for every 2 Citizens in your capital.
• Liberty: +1 culture per turn in every city.
• Collective Rule: Settler production increased by 50%, and a free Settler appears near the capital.
• Citizenship: Worker construction rate increased by 25%, and a free Worker appears near the capital.
• Representation: Each city you found will increase the Culture cost of Policies by 33% less than normal. Also starts a Golden Age.
• Order: Reduce Order production bonus to 15%.
• Meritocracy: +0.5 Happiness for each city connected to the capital, and a free Great Person of your choice appears near the capital.

Resources
• Fish reduced to 1 food (but can be boosted back to 2 with Lighthouse)
• Marble boosts wonder production by 20%, down from 25%

Technologies
• Scaled up tech costs throughout the game (slight change for early eras; close to double for Modern)
• Move Lumbermills up to Construction
• Move Bridge Building back to Engineering
• Move Ironworks to Machinery

Units
• Workboat cost increased
• Settler cost increased by 25%

Wonders
• Colossus no longer goes obsolete
• Angkor Wat now provides a 25% discount for the costs (both culture and gold) to gain plots empire-wide.

Civ Unique Bonuses
• Reduce Chu-ko-nu from 10 to 9 ranged strength
• Doubled culture from kills for Aztecs
• Krepost now provides a 25% discount for the costs (both culture and gold) to gain plots in the city.
• Paper Maker only provides 2 gold but no longer requires any building maintenance

Map Generation Changes
• Increased Oil quantity per resource.
• Minimum Uranium is now 2.
• Cut Deer Appearance in Arctic regions.
• Adjusted Sheep placement so it is more spread out.
• Decreased Wheat appearance in Plains.
• Increases Cow appearance overall, including adding up to 2 Cow tiles to heavy grass start positions.


Buccaneer 04-20-2011 10:17 PM

That patch is the long awaited Mac patch, similar to the PC patch that was released 7 weeks ago.

Passacaglia 04-21-2011 09:22 AM

But it's still good timing to remind me of this game, which I will want to play after my exam next Friday!

Honolulu_Blue 04-21-2011 09:27 AM

I have finally really gotten into this game over the last 2 weeks or so.

I am enjoying it. I am no Civ expert by stretch of the imagination, but played a TON of Civ IV, so I know the basics.

I can't wait to see what expansions they have planned for Civ V. I really enoy the lack of "stacks of death". It makes the later game combat much easier to handle and it goes by much faster.

Butter 04-21-2011 09:37 AM

Yes, my wife and I are having a lot of fun with this since the last patch. The computer is still pretty inept at combat however, and we are usually able to get by with minimal combat if we choose to.

Mizzou B-ball fan 04-28-2011 09:05 PM

New patch downloading.......

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AI
• Economic AI: Tweaks to improve the number of workers built.
• Diplo AI: Correct minor error in calculation by AI to decide if it wants to join a coop war.
• City Strategy AI: Fix flavor broadcast to cities just after they are founded. Player level adjustments since start of game weren't being copied over to the new city.
• Operational AI: If AI sees that WarState is Calm (i.e. no one has troops near enemy lands), still consider launching an attack if overall military strengths are at least even.
• Operational AI: Enhancements to more sensibly pick city from which to launch a naval invasion.
• Operational AI: Slightly relax requirements for naval invasion to be on target (to get them onshore and attacking sooner).
• Operational/Tactical AI: Fix to movement/deployment for naval invasion forces.
• Operational/Tactical AI: Improved weighting and selection of muster and target cities for city attack operations.
• Tactical AI: Early game AI tweak to allow occasional sneak attack.
• Tactical AI: Improvements in civilian and embarked units targeting.
• Tactical AI: Units with defensive embarkation had a combat strength when embarked and were being considered for tactical moves (like making ranged attacks) that they weren't actually eligible for.
• Tactical AI: Improved the logic of how units are chosen for tactical moves so embarked units can now drop into place on land as flanking units, bombard units, etc.
• Tactical AI: Changes to more effectively use Great Generals offensively.
• Tactical AI: Citadels now project danger.
• Tactical AI: Units defending citadels are high priority targets; AI will prioritize trying to take these spaces.
• Tactical AI: AI will now pillage undefended citadels.
• Tactical AI: Be wary when approaching an enemy city; don't close on it if enemy clearly has superiority.
• Diplo AI: Make sure the diplomacy AI doesn't declare war on someone they are already at war with. Prevents confusing pop ups.
• Operational AI: AI will now correctly abort operations against a player that were started during a war (like gathering a new attack), but could execute after a peace treaty was declared. This corrects the occasional “AI declared war during a peace treaty” issue.
• Operational AI: Fix muster radius for gathering a naval invasion. Invasions won't get stuck trying to gather and will get moving to target sooner now.
• Operational AI: Don't allow nuke attacks on tiles that will break a peace treaty.
• Homeland AI: Make sure that flavor settings don't prevent workers from building improvements. This would cause some AI players to have large amounts of unimproved space in later parts of the game.
• Homeland AI: Fixed a problem that was causing workers to ignore pillaged non-resource and bonus resource tiles.

GRAPHICS
• Fixed an issue that was not allowing the Americas building set to display properly.
• If a 3D leaderhead scene cannot be created, fallback to 2D.
• Update to river color, texture, and shader.

GAMEPLAY
• Units: Stealth Bombers can now get promotions.
• Units: Add “Fortify until Healed” option for aircraft. Before, they only healed when inactive, which could cause confusion for the player.
• Units: Prevent units with the "No Melee" promotion from capturing cities (archers, catapults, etc.).
• Units: Air units must be in a city to upgrade, and no sneaky "I'm on a carrier in the city" either.
• Units: Fixed a problem that was allowing units to upgrade in territories that were not their own.
• Terrain Improvements: Allow Moai to be built over top of resources.
• Terrain Improvements: Correct an issue that resulted in double resources if you founded a city on top of an improved resource plot.
• Yields: Fix a load order problem where the lake bonus is not applied to a farm after loading an existing save.
• City Management: When selling a building, ensure that all citizens are properly removed.
• City Management: When assigning a specialist to a building, make sure we don't accidentally assign more citizens than we have available.
• City Management: Fix for an issue that was causing workers to go missing when population went down.
• City Management: After the citizen is removed from working, adjust the unassigned worker count before subtracting from the total population. There were rare situations that could cause the worker to disappear.
• Culture: Keep the current culture level of the city after it is captured. The culture production will go to 0, but the culture level must remain the same or else a large city will be able to acquire tiles at the same rate as a smaller city.
• Exploit: Removed ability to gain additional free settlers/workers by gaming the policy system.
• Units: City States in games started in the industrial/modern era now correctly produce workers as needed.

UI
• Pre-Game: The tooltips for unique items in the Loading screen no longer show up until AFTER loading has finished, preventing potential “stuck” UI.
• Pre-Game: Prevented escape key from being used to corrupt starting parameters while starting a tutorial game.
• Pre-Game: Multi-player maps added to Single-player as well.
• Pre-Game: Fixed a rounding issue in the options menu so that values are always integer based for the tooltip delay.
• Pre-Game: Using ":" in a save filename is no longer considered valid since Windows does not allow this. Players could potentially use this character in a save name without knowing that the file was not created when they exited the dialog.
• Notifications: Fix notifications that arise after a city is liberated so they show the name properly.
• Notifications: Extra DOF expiration notifications removed.
• Notifications: Notifications for denouncement or friendship are only displayed if the active player has met one of the teams.
• Tool-tips: Tooltips for worker/workboat build recommendations now build dynamically by looking at tile yields for these improvements: camp, pasture, farm, mine, trading post, fishing boats, custom house and manufactory.
• Tool-tip: Plot Mouse Over text for Natural Wonders will now display the culture yield as if it was in your borders and being worked, similar to how other yields are displayed.
• Mod Browser: Mod Browser panels now reset their scroll value when a new mod is selected.
• New Addition: Resource Panel integrated into upper-left Info Panel UI.
• New Addition: Specialist slots in buildings are now shown in the info tooltip for both the tech tree, production popup, and Civilopedia.
• Combat Preview: "Bonus VS Cities" is now renamed to "Penalty VS Cities" when it's < 0.
• Combat Preview: Fix bonus display issue when bombarding an enemy unit (if enemy had bonuses that required “friendly” territory, it would show up in the preview even though they were obviously in enemy territory).
• Combat Preview: Show Oligarchy Garrisoned Unit bonus for city ranged attacks.
• City Screen: City Growth meter within the City screen now displays the correct amount.
• City Screen: Fix the display of the current research progress UI, which made research estimates appear to be incorrect.
• In-Game: Fix the display of the movement cost for units that can embark.
• In-Game: Fixed a rounding issue in the military overview (actually, a lack of rounding issue).
• In-Game: Properly hide the Aircraft selection UI if hidden from view (fog of war, etc.).
• In-Game: City State's "Quest" icon is now hidden if that City State is at war with your team.
• In Game: City banner now displays different tooltip for puppet cities that are not owned by the player.
• In Game: Top Panel now differentiates between unhappiness from regular population and unhappiness from specialists.
• In-Game: Selecting a unit in the military overview will now select that unit, selecting it twice will now move the camera to it.
• Victory: Fix UI display of Diplomatic Victory votes (it was displaying votes from dead Civs/City States).
• Victory: UN Voting and Results screens now have better support for team games.
• Multiplayer: Human players no longer show an approachability type since that was meant for AI.
• Multiplayer: Multiplayer diplomacy w/ teams no longer has overlapping text.
• Diplomacy: There's now a confirmation dialog when you publicly denounce a civ.
• Diplomacy: Player cannot publicly denounce a civ multiple times in the same turn.
• Unit Panel: Fixed an erroneous display of a needed upgrade resource if the needed resource quantity was 0 and you are running a deficit on that resource (negative return value).
• Production: In UI for national wonders that have a prereq building, don't list each individual city that needs the building if the prereq doesn't have to be in EVERY city in the empire. Instead just continue to show the count.
• Production: City connected by railroad production bonus now correctly displays across all UI.
• Civilopedia: Multiple updates to Civilopedia functionality and accuracy.
• Pre-Game: Civillization Name in Load Menu is now truncated if it's too large.

DIPLO
• Don't allow research agreements if one party has finished the tech tree.
• Correct opinion code so we can get outcomes of friendly or allied.
• Fix the AI's deal adjustment so that it doesn't accidentally treat your luxury items as strategic items. This essentially prevented the AI from ever countering the deal with a request for a strategic resource from the other player. It just re-submitted the counter offer, requesting more luxury items, which the player could not see. If accepted, the player would realize too late that all their luxury resources were gone.

WORLD BUILDER
• Map Resize: Added controls for adding and removing rows of hexes from the top, build, left, or right of a map.
• Added default “map size” drop-down so that players can set the default number of Civs that they want to play on a map.
• Fix permanent war setting in the WB so that it reflects properly in the game.

MODDING
• Support for disabling the Happiness system.
• Support for disabling the Science/Research system.
• Support for disabling Social Policy acquisition.
• Support for disabling the Tutorial system.
• Properly initialize citizens and trade routes when loading for a scenario with a preexisting empire.
• Correct a problem with the awarding of contacts with minor civs in games created from WB scenarios.
• Add "CityCanConstruct" Lua hook.
• Exposed LoadString to Lua scripts.

ACHIEVEMENTS
• Fixed issue for Lancer that was stopping the Model of a Modern Major-General achievement from firing.
• Fixed issue with building type comparison that was keeping the Tomb Raider achievement from firing.
• Fixed issue that was keeping the Barbary Coast achievement from firing.
• Fixed issue with the Flying Fortress achievement that would cause it to fire when the action was performed by an AI player.
• Fixed issue with the God is Great achievement that would cause it to fire when the action was performed by an AI player.

SCENARIOS
• Mongol: Disable all victory conditions except domination.
• Disable tutorial across all Scenarios.

CRASH
• Additional nil checking to prevent possible Lua crashes due to invalid data in the HoF database.
• Tighten up decal culling to reduce the number of decals rendered per cell (Scroll crash).
• Fix to "Moai on the edge of the map" crash.
• Prevent CvDiplomacyAI::DoUpdateEstimateOtherPlayerMilitary Threats from doing a divide by 0 (caused by a city having more damage that hit points).
• Added in additional protections against using invalid player IDs that were causing crashes in community provided saves.
• Fix bad cast of PlayerType to TeamType (and resulting crash).
• Fix random map selection in multiplayer, which could cause a crash.
• Additional crash protections

Buccaneer 05-08-2011 07:33 PM

Post-patch, I've been reading a lot about how the AI civs are playing much tougher, causing some to drop 1-2 difficulty levels.


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