Overall, I would love a draft of Mcclain, Cambell/Saffold/Brown and then a Linvall Joseph/Cam Thomas/ Lamarr Houston in round 1-3.

Wow, just listened to Cable interview Video Gallery

Looks like things may be really changing based on things he said. I really like the sound of him and the way he acknowledges past picks and his genuineness. I think it's just a matter of not having Davis get too involved which is unlikely, but we'll see.

I see why the players like Cable.

Thanks! I'm genuinely surprised.

Saffold would be nice.

Swapping an early 4th for a late 4th on a team where a 4th round pick, imo isn't swapping 4th's. Overall I'm happy, I'm curious if they heard of someone else trying to trade up to get in front of them.

Good. If you didn't like Cable, he'd probably punch you in the face.

Sorry. Let's make-out.

was really disappointed with ESPN's coverage of the draft last night (don't have NFL Network-thanks Time Warner!) Too many talking heads that had to get their air time-hardly no interviews with players drafted/GM's/coaches. Too much confusion even with a live ever changing show-not knowing Baltimore had traded the pick to Denver to get Tebow and going balistic over that-Mortensen not ready when they went to him for analysis, etc. And a very cranky Chris Berman, who seemed to have issues with his fellow broadcasters. And for god's sake stop showing the damn players on the phone about to get drafted! One of the biggest draws of the draft is not really knowing who your team is going to take until the Commish announces it, despite the so-called "experts" analysis.

I didn't watch any of the ESPN coverage this year to compare, but NFL Network was showing the guys on the phone before they were picked. They usually did it about 2 minutes or so before the pick was announced. So, I don't think they were any better in that regard.

Deion was annoying by the end of the night because he asked the guys the same questions. Maybe there's not many questions to ask for this situation, but it got annoying.

I like McCourty; I'm going to withhold my opinion on actually taking him until I see what the Pats come away with tonight. If they get some help at OLB/DE in the 2nd, then the McCourty pick is absolutely fine by me.

i liked the nfln coverage. the fan reactions are great.

'with the tenth pick the jaguars select tyson alualu.'

jags fan in faded keenan mccardell jersey: 'what? who? wooooo. we're number 1!'

Picking Osamoah over Pouncey, Gronkowski over Gresham and Gibson over Hughes are very strange choices for the AP.

Rams have to be second-guessing their selection of Bradford at this point. They could have had Suh AND any other QB except Bradford. I think that would have been a much better option.

Glad to see Spoon drafted high by the Falcons. I was hoping he'd fall to a point where KC could scoop him up early in the 2nd round, but that was mostly wishful thinking. Falcons' fans are going to love him.

So yeah, uh, as a Seminole and Broncos fan, what happened last night is the equivalent of your best friend hiring Kathy Griffin to strip for you at your bachelor party.

Fuck Josh McDaniels. I've basically disagreed with every big decision he's made while trying to pprove that he's in charge of this team, but that just takes the cake. That's such a bad pick that even if it works, I'm not sure I want to root for him. Fuck ME!

SOSH Poll

Speaking of Deion, saw a blog entry about how Eric Berry wanted nothing to do with Sanders at a recent charity event because Deion basically snubbed him for an autograph request a number of years ago & he's never forgotten it. Berry said that influenced how he tries to treat fans himself now “I just try to make sure that if someone comes up to me, whether it’s for an autograph or a handshake — because I’ve been shot down before like I told you — I don’t want nobody to feel like that.”

“That’s why I try to make sure I give back. To make sure that I treat them with respect. To make sure I remind myself that they are looking up to me and really want to meet me, so I’m going to treat them like they should be treated.”

As a Browns fan, I'm not sold on Haden - he's been showing up in a lot of mocks for the Browns ever since the end of the season, so I'm ok with the overall value... just doesn't really get me excited, though. One of those drafts where I'd have much rather been one pick higher or eight picks later.

That said, I'm pretty happy with the way the second round shapes up. Scout.com has a 2nd/3rd round mock up at Scout.com: NFL Draft: Day Two Mock Draft - highlights are Clausen to Minnesota, Kindle to KC - but I'd be happy with Cleveland sitting where they are at #7 and getting a good, quality player. Don't think they have to move up to get one.

I like Tate to Miami. More WRs is a good thing rather than just Marshall, although Camarillo and Bess showed flashes last season.

I would LOVE the Pats getting Gerhart in the third.

Y'know the pick in that mock that made me go "I can really see that one being good"? TE Aaron Hernandez to the Patriots. The other one I thought "hmm, that would work pretty well" was RB Toby Gerhart, also to the freakin' Patriots.

As for Cleveland, you'd end up with pretty fair value out of Morgan Burnett in the 3rd round if they're right.

Hate the Tony Pike pick, but the Houston and Jones would be great fits for the Bengals.

How did this post get no love?!

Don't have time to read the entire thread but I had it on NFLn most of the night, turned to ESPN every few minutes- and I must say Chris Berman is just a tool. He looked like an angry old ass-hat. One time he freaked out when the camera was on the crew like waving his arm.

Also- agree with the person above QUIT SHOWING THE PLAYERS ON THE PHONE! I like the commissioner to announce the surprise I don't want to know 2 minutes before and then have a cluster fuck while they get everything together then announce it.


And absolutely love the Saints pick of a CB- when our defense was horrible in the middle of the season it was because our top 2 guys were hurt. Have to add depth there.

It's all about getting the answer first. FWIW Schefter was reporting on twitter the picks/trades two or three minutes before the TV.

Sergio Kindle? Vladimir Ducasse? Was there a sudden surge in European names amongst African American kids 20-odd years ago?

Here's a possible reason Kindle fell out of the first round. TBH, this is the first I've heard of the potential issue:

What is the story surrounding the knee of Texas LB Sergio Kindle? - BostonHerald.com

An easy answer here is for the NFL to get the teams to agree to not call the players/agents until after the commish reads the pick.

KC fans love to hear that. After the Larry Johnson saga, it will be nice to have someone to root for again.


That would be fantastic if KC could pick up Kindle. Those first two picks would shore up some of KC's defensive needs in a big hurry.

I wonder who is going to trade up for Colt McCoy & Claussen. I don't think Colt can play in Cleveland, he doesn't have the arm for the cold weather games... I wonder if he ends up in Carolina maybe.

I was hoping the Colts would take Saffold. Would've been nice to see a Hoosier go an hour north to the Colts. Guess it can still happen...

Also, Clausen to the Raiders would be great, and support my Jerk Magnet theory nicely. Make it so!

I forgot to add that I love when the Steelers take a banal first rounder with 5 minutes left on the clock. And don't bother to trade down. Sometimes the front office pisses me off so much.

I like the centre they got. :(

You may have centres up there in the CFL, but in the NFL, we have centers, son.

:D

The Broncs should be good for a few good lols until he's canned.

ESPN's draft tracker had them up before they were announced on TV.

I'd be so happy if the Pats got Touchdown Toby. And Hernandez (he was the Gators TE right?). Neither address defensive needs, but they both address offensive needs.

Yep.

6'3, 255, 4.58 40 time, really a set of WR skills in a TE body

I loved when the Broncos used their 1st round pick on an unproven WR who reminds them of their franchise WR who they just traded away for 2- 2nd round picks. Why not just keep Marshall if thats the type of player you want- he already proved he was a great player, sure he had some off the field issues but he was a great player- pay him and hope he grows up.

Sounds like Sergio Kindle may need microfracture surgery on his knee according to Schefter. It so, he is going to go no earlier then the 3rd.

Hmmmmm, I wonder who KC will select then.

Sorry Broncos are taking him in the before you guys:)

That's easy to say now. I believe they got the best QB in the draft and although I wanted SUH, I'm fine with this pick. If McCoy and Clausen are so good, why are they still available at #2?

I hate to say it but WR Briscoe from Kansas would be a great pick up in round two.

I think they passed up a once a generation talent to get the 4th best QB in a draft with 2 starters.

McCoy being available at 33 will just be the salt rubbed into the wounds of Rams fans over how bad a pick that was.

Love the Packer pick of the tackle. One of the lesser reported bonuses of that pick is that GB's current OC (Philbin) worked for Ferrence at Iowa and uses a similar OL scheme. This means Bulaga can compete immediately at RT with Tauscher and eventually replace Clifton at LT (or slide there in week 3 when Chad gets one of his many injuries).

I'm don't have any biases regarding Denver, but I really don't have a problem with the Tebow pick. The cost was mitigated by them trading down and getting those picks. Plus, when was the last time a mentally strong QB drafted in the top round or two flamed out? It's always the Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell guys that seem to struggle - ie, guys with cannons for arms but struggle with mental ability/leadership. I'd rather have a tough, mentally strong leader with an average arm than a physical specimen who can't think to save his life. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Bernie Kozar,... None of these guys had great arms, but they all were mentally tough and good leaders. I think (in the mid 20s), it's not a bad idea to roll the dice on Tebow given when he could be given his makeup.

One other thing is that you can get immediate value from him in the first season or two. While Clausen or McCoy is holding a clipboard, Tebow can play in redzone/short yardage packages, run the wildcat and even play a little H-Back off the bat. If I were Denver, I'd feel a lot better about getting Tebow than Clausen at the spot - even though the pundits would be pulling a 180 on the pick had it been Jimmy.

What do you mean by mentally strong?

Its tough to find example of guys who fit any definition of mentally stong but did not have the top notch physical skills who flamed out after being drafted in the top round or two because guys without those physical skills do not get drafted in those rounds. Guys you are describing - mentally tough, but without the top-notch physical skills - actually fail to become legitimate NFL QBs far more often, but then again, they are drafted in the 7th round.

Tebow better be ready to take some hard hits. Can only imagine how much an LB will be salivating when they see Tebow running out on some bootleg/option play. See: White, Pat.

Yeah, pretty much this.

Although personally I've got Bradford 5th most likely to become even a serviceable regular NFL starter (Claussen, Tebow, McCoy, Pike, then Bradford) and only one of those do I think is a sure thing eventual starter (unsure is whether he'll be a better than average starter).

LOL, surely you didn't just compare Pat White to Tim Tebow in any way other than them having the same number of letters in their first & last names.

I was referring to the vicious hit that White took last year and not making any talent comparisons.

Ah, okay.

The issue with Tebow is his biggest strength is intangibles. That's fine but those do nothing if you can't play. Drew Stanton was a huge leader at MSU, played special teams when needed, was an absolute warrior who could run but had no idea how to play QB. We took him in the second round, changed his throwing motion and what happened? He's our 3rd QB like many assumed he would be when he was picked.

Tebow is going to be a left handed Drew Stanton, no question in my mind.

Because there's never been anyone available in the 2nd round that was really good? Paging Drew Brees.....

To me, the talent difference between Suh and whoever they draft next is much wider than the talent difference between Bradford and Clausen/McCoy/Pike

Really not a good year for QB's. Never trust a QB who doesn't spend the pre-snap time looking at the defense, but instead is looking at his coach for what to do next.

For the life of me I can not find what draft picks Denver traded last night - any know?

I hope Denver plans to use Tebow in a variety of ways. I just don't see how he will be any good runnign the wildcat. He has very little speed. His biggest asset running the ball was his size, and that will be mitigated by the smackdowns he'll receive in the NFL.

It's kind of a no-win situation - to use him effectively, I guess you've got to run him up the gut. But in doing so, you may end up hurting his future value as a QB if he takes one wrong hit. No way he's going to be Cribbs back there.

I mean guys viewed as top leaders at the QB position in the draft. Rarely is this mentioned among the top qualities teams look for in a QB - esp when compared to arm strength. However, many QBs with slightly above average arms have gone on to have great careers because of their mental toughness and leadership abilities.

Which is why I think the Tebow pick is interesting. It might be time to stop treating QB like WR or CB and looking just at athletic skills. For this position, I'm not sure there's a big risk difference between the power arm and limited leader and the non-elite arm but great leader. Given the importance of the QB position, it might start making sense to draft the second group in a similar spot at the first. But, again, we really don't know as there hasn't been a ton of data on leadership and opportunities given to QBs who have been good leaders but don't have the cannon.

I think there's a "mendoza line" of arm strength needed. Tebow was given "above average" by scouts on his arm, so it's not like he's terrible. But if you look at the top 10 QBs last season, just as many had questions about their arm and slipped out of the first (Brees, Schaub, Brady, Romo, Warner) as were first round picks (Favre, Rivers, Rodgers, Big Ben, Peyton). And only 3 of the top 10 QBs were drafted in the top 20.

I don't know the numbers, but I think they traded down twice and got 2 4s, and then traded up and gave up a 2, a 3, and a 4.

Yes, a 6-3, 240-pound guy is not nearly as ready for a physical pounding as a 5-11, 188 pound guy. I can see the parallel...

the throwing motion thing was always interesting to me. leftwich winds from his shoelaces. rivers throws like uncle rico. but tebows motion is fatally flawed?

Isn't the point that nearly all teams don't want even their bigger-than-Tebow QBs taking ANY hits? If Tebow has any value at #25, it's as a QB. Why would they potentially damage that value running a too-slow Wildcat QB as if he was Ricky Williams?

He'll be good in the right system, but he can't block.

Not every QB who was a good leader will be a solid starting QB - just like not every QB with a cannon for an arm will make it in the NFL.

My point was this: assuming both have atleast "mendoza line" of arm strength/talent, why is it riskier to take the better leader (Tebow) than the better arm (Clausen)? It's harder to find bad leaders in the top list of QBs each season than it is to find guys without cannons for arms. Warner, Brady, Brees, Romo and Schaub were all guys that had some "intangibles" coming out of college but lacked the big arm. All QBs have risk, I just don't understand why lacking a cannon is worse than lacking the ability to lead or questionable work ethic.

I think it is riskier because Tebow played in what is basically a one read offense. If his first option isn't there he just took off. Clausen played a pro style offense which cannot be discounted at all.

Here's the end result:

Denver traded 11, 43, 70 and 114 to get 22, 25 and 87

That's a valid point; however,



:D

I want to dispute it ... but I can't.

Got it - thanks guys...

:lol:

But he can throw a pigskin a quarter mile!

Exclusive video of Clausen:

Sure, that's one factor. But, again, you can't fault Tebow for the offense he played in. It comes down to what they can handle after a few seasons of seasoning. Clausen was average or below average in Durability, Intangibles, Mental Markup and Mobility - with nothing exceptional. Tebow was average or below average in accuracy and release - everything else was above average (including intangibles where were exceptional).

Assuming those are the actual grades given by scouts (got it from scouts.inc), I don't see how Tebow is any riskier than Clausen given what seems to work for top NFL QBs.

Thats a great way to put it.

I've always thought St Louis should take Suh then get Colt McCoy or Claussen or even Pike. Then go out and get a vet QB to play for 2 years and get the crap beat out of them whiel you build the O-line. Oh well.

I really like what the Seahawks did in Round 1, even though both picks were pretty much no brainers. Both Okung and Earl Thomas will start from day 1 and could see Thomas sneaking into the Pro Bowl as a Rookie. I like Okung much better than Williams, especially after he gets coached up by Alex Gibbs. Watching him on tape, you could see that he didn't go 100% at all times but I just think he was bored, more or less, as nobody could really challenge him.

I'd much rather grab Thomas at 14 than Berry at 6. After watching Thomas on tape, I'd say he is much more comparable to Ed Reed than Berry. Dude had 8 INT's last year and is the youngest player in the draft. He could easily move to CB although I'd like to see him stay at Safety. Beauty.

I think below average in accuracy is exactly why Tebow won't be a great NFL QB. Look at your list of passers above (guys without the "big arm") - you basically named the most accurate passers of the last 10 years.

Isn't there a study showing that the number of college starts for a quarterback has a high correlation to his performance as a pro?

Why is that? Developing leadership and the ability to read a defense? We know Tebow has developed leadership of some sort. But he has not had to read defenses like a quarterback playing in a pro-style offense.

Since the NFL game comes at you a lot faster than the college game, the question is whether an NFL quarterback who has absolutely no college experience reading defenses is capable of making that transition.

And that might explain why Matt Cassel succeeded in New England, which has an entirely different style of offense (specifically outlined reading by both the receivers and the quarterback) but has struggled in Kansas City.

By that metric, Tebow and McCoy are both interesting prospects. Guys who started and won eleventy-billion games in college, but who came from an offense that makes it hard to know how good they will be at doing all the things that an NFL QB needs to do.

I'd agree with most of this (can't comment on watching any tape on these guys, but that's certainly matching a lot of the scouting reports I'm finding online), especially the no brainer portion (which isn't a bad thing, they took quality players that were there for them and didn't try to get too cute with trading back and trying to push their luck).

What'll make or break this draft for the new brain trust is what they do going forward. Dropping back from the start to the end of round 2 in the Whitehurst deal and not having a 3rd rounder hurts, but with a pair of picks in each of the 4th and 5th rounds I'm expecting a move up at some point. I am kind of curious to see if they might try to snag Mays if he drops a bit further and run him out there at SS. DE (to me) is by far the biggest need for the team right now, but I have no idea if any of the remaining prospects could legitimately have a chance of being anything above depth for this season.

Either way, I think I'm liking the new format with the spread out nature of the draft. It's helped me be way less productive at work today, but the time is flying by much faster :)

I think accuracy is the hardest thing to extrapolate from college to the pros. You have such big windows in college that completion percentages are meaningless. Vince Young was supposed to be terrible in accuracy for the same reasons people nailed Tebow (one read then run). Yet, he has been serviceable on completion percentage in the NFL. I don't think anyone is saying that Tebow is going to be a pro bowl QB anytime soon (if so, he would have gone higher than in the 20s). I just don't see a compelling reason to think Clausen is going to be better than Tebow.

This Bradford & Suh debate reminds me of the one a few years back concerning Matt Ryan & Glenn Dorsey. I remember a bunch of people (including myself) saying the Falcons were idiots for passing on an amazing talent in Dorsey and then waiting for the 2nd round to pick up Brian Brohm or Chad Henne.

Basically, this may just work out fine for the Rams. We just have to wait and see.

Maybe, but I don't remember Dorsey having nearly as much hype as Suh.

We can agree on that Arles. I think Clausen has bust written all over him too.

Watching Tebow in the Senior Bowl it was glaringingly obvious that he is at least 2 years away from taking meaningful snaps in the NFL, IMO. He looked slow and horribly inexperienced in terms of taking snaps from under center and making reads. It doesn't matter how great a leader you are if you aren't playing. The problem in Denver is, McDaniels will be out of a job before Tebow is ready to take over.

anybody catch the "Gruden QB camp" thing that ESPN ran? he meets with Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, and Clausen, does a mock draft interview, breaks down tape with them, etc. also goes through some passing drills with Tebow.

my program guide says they're re-running it next thursday.

it was pretty cool, and Clausen did come off as a douche...

I don't think Bradford is that bad of a player. But Suh is going to be fantastic. His physical ability is jaw-dropping and his work ethic is unmatched. If they would have picked Suh, they still had to know that there would be a couple good QB's available in the 2nd round. They would have been much better off in that scenario.

Dorsey didn't have the ability that Suh has. I don't disagree that it may work out just fine, but at this point, it's a questionable choice.

The study you mention states that if a QB was picked in the first round, you can predict his NFL performance by college Games Started and college Completion Percentage.

Looks like the Cards were psyched with their pick. Had him #11 on their board and couldn't believe he lasted till #26.

I think this is fair. The point is that he can still contribute while learning. Play in some short-yardage sets, the wildcat and even H-Back at times while learning how to be a QB. So, you get some value while he sits the pine. For someone like Clausen, he's also 2 years away but gives you no value in the meantime and is just as much of a risk.

The Cowboys are already selling #88 Dez Bryant jerseys on their website.

I just got back from Denver. It was a blast filling in over there.

LOL

I thought it was funny how Roy Williams was talking about how they now have one of the strongest WR groups in the league. And I was thinking, "How long til they decide to just cut Roy Williams cause he's overpaid and not that good."

The Tuna has his own study.

Assessing Parcells' four criteria
By KC Joyner
ESPN Insider


Are some of Tebow's intangibles enough to make up for his lack of certain tangibles?

The biggest question mark for any team going into a draft is how to measure intangibles at the quarterback position.

Personnel legend Don "Duke" Klosterman may have put this quandary best when he told former Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi, "Do not evaluate a quarterback the way you evaluate the other 21 positions. They're playing a different sport. With a quarterback, it's the things you can't put down on paper that make all the difference."

The problem this presents is simple: Those items that can't be put down on paper all generally lend themselves to emotional swings; a perfect example of this comes via the case of Tim Tebow. Tebow's significant pocket passer weaknesses have ESPN draft experts Mel Kiper (fourth round) and Todd McShay (third round) grading him as a less-than-stellar choice, but Tebow's seemingly off-the-charts intangibles have others -- such as Tony Dungy -- rating him as a first-round pick.

One solution to this quandary is to try to find a way to measure the impact of these seemingly unmeasurable characteristics. This is the path that Bill Parcells took when he put together the following four rules for drafting quarterbacks:

1. Be a three-year starter
2. Post at least 23 wins
3. Be a senior
4. Be a college graduate

The idea behind these guidelines is simple: Any quarterback who achieves each of these goals has proved that he can handle the rigors of frequent play, has a history of winning and will stick to a goal until he finishes it.

"Parcells' Guys"

These 15 quarterbacks meet the four qualities discussed in this article. Twelve of the 15 guys on this list started at least one game in the NFL in 2009.
Player Name First NFL team
Chad Pennington New York Jets
Philip Rivers San Diego Chargers
Kevin Kolb Philadelphia Eagles
Donovan McNabb Philadelphia Eagles
Brady Quinn Cleveland Browns
Carson Palmer Cincinnati Bengals
David Garrard Jacksonville Jaguars
Cade McNown Chicago Bears
Jason Campbell Washington Redskins
Charlie Whitehurst San Diego Chargers
Matt Leinart Arizona Cardinals
Byron Leftwich Jacksonville Jaguars
Eli Manning New York Giants
Drew Brees San Diego Chargers
Chad Henne Miami Dolphins

These sound like terrific mile markers to gauge intangibles, but does this system work? Do quarterbacks with these characteristics significantly outperform players who don't reach these goals?

To find the answer to these questions, I enlisted the help of the Stats & Information department at ESPN. I asked its researchers to compile the figures for all of the first-round picks in the BCS era (since the 1999 NFL draft) along with every other current starting quarterback who was drafted in that time in the four aforementioned categories.

The first study we did revolved around the three-year starter guideline. The initial quandary here was how to determine how many starts constitute three years. Every FBS (formerly Division I-A) team today plays a minimum of 12 games -- but that level has been in place only since 2006. In the years before that, the minimum was 11 games, so we ran the study with both 33 starts and 36 starts as the qualifying line.

At the 33-start level, quarterbacks were 637-542-1 (54 percent) in the NFL; at the 36-start level, they were 606-515-1, which is a very similar percentage mark of 54.1 percent.

College quarterbacks with fewer than 33 starts were 493-528-1, for a winning percentage of 48.3 percent; those with fewer than 36 starts were 524-555-1, for a winning percentage of 48.6 percent.

The difference here is an NFL win percentage of around 5.6 percent, or about nine-tenths of a win per season (16 games multiplied by 5.6 percent). Not quite a slam dunk for the high-volume college starts criterion, but certainly a notable positive indicator.

Next up is the 23 collegiate wins mark. The findings here were quite similar to the high volume of starts study. The quarterbacks who had a minimum of 23 wins posted an NFL record of 664-575-1, or a winning percentage of 53.6 percent. The quarterbacks who posted fewer than 23 wins had an NFL mark of 466-495-1, or a winning percentage of 48.5 percent. The favorable percentage differential was 5.1 percent, or nearly identical to the 33-36 starts criterion.

The third study looked at how senior quarterbacks fared compared with sophomores and juniors who declared for the draft. The seniors posted a professional record of 914-891-1, or a winning percentage of 50.6 percent. The second-year and third-year collegians did not post anywhere near as high of a volume of games as the seniors, but their 216-179-1 record equates to a 54.7 winning percentage, a mark that is 4.1 percent better than that of their counterparts.


Parcells has a good track record as an evaluator, but his QB guidelines aren't highly statistically significant -- except for college graduation.

The fourth criterion, graduating college, is a bit tougher to gauge because there are some instances where extenuating circumstances need to be taken into account. One example of this can be found in the case of Joe Flacco. Flacco had to put his final college classes on hold because of an odd confluence of rules. Here, we ended up giving any players in situations of this nature the benefit of the doubt and crediting them in the graded category.

The findings here were quite notable. Players who graduated posted a 965-855-1 NFL record, or a winning percentage of 53.0 percent. Quarterbacks who didn't graduate tallied an NFL mark of 165-215-1, or a winning percentage of 43.4 percent. That is a difference of 9.6 percent, or an average of around 1.5 extra wins per year. To put it into perspective, that mark is 75 percent greater than the average extra wins generated by the high-volume starts or collegiate wins criteria.

Each of these individual bars is high on its own, but the Parcells rules require that a player meet all four. That should mean only the best of the best make the final cut, but the numbers do not indicate that is the case. The combined record of the 16 quarterbacks who satisfied all four criteria (all of whom had at least 36 starts) was 494-432-1, or a 53.3 percent winning percentage. That is lower than the winning percentages generated by two of the individual criteria, so this combination of traits cannot make a claim as being the most notable success indicator.

That honor goes to the college graduate criterion. To put it another way, when talent evaluators are looking for a tiebreaker in making a choice of which quarterback to draft, they should turn to the classroom for guidance.

I liked this line:

Tim Tebow - we haven't talked this much about a white Bronco since the OJ Simpson/Al Cowlings saga

I wonder if any study has been done connecting offensive style in college to professional success. It's something we've talked about on Michigan boards because Rich Rodriguez had a bad recruiting year (by Michigan standards) and we're wondering if word is out that a Wolverine uniform is no longer of much help if you want an NFL career down the road.

Odd pick by the Bucs, but happy for Price

KC just made a luxury pick .. They are in no position to make luxury picks.

McCluster that early is a shock.

Darn. I was hoping for Taylor Mays at S for the Eagles :(