4.8 - Pele - Athlete - Brazil - Post 20th Century

Considered to be the greatest soccer player to ever play.

DIE

yeah - i was hoping Genghis would keep sliding a bit and i could grab him

I love the hammurabi pick

You shuttlecock!

By the early part of the 4th round with have an American chosen for every human category except artist and religious figure. That's crazy high.

for the record i didn't want an American economist, but i was a bit...hemmed-in

I'm going outside the box for economist late with a random pick that people will love or hate.

that's cool. i thought about going that way too

Okay, I'm gonna get working to update the first post. Barkeep PM'd me that he will pick early in the morning.

I love that Hammurabi pick - non western and crazy important (although maybe low on the name recognition factor).

Re: Jim Brown - I don't think he's a bad pick at all! Jim Thorpe would've been my #1 USA Athlete because he was good at many sports like Brown and maybe a little more iconic, but you can't fault Brown. Too early? Yes, but if he didn't lose anyone else he wanted to pick, big whoop.

WTF? That sucks, I have my next picks all ready to go and everything

I think everyone except Izulde had Pele

yeah, that sucks for us west coasters and night owls

And us Rocky Mountainers as well;)

That's where I would have taken.Ghengis, but there's not much awareness of his social reforms and most people probably just know him from his military conquests so Military Leader might be a better choice in the eyes of the voters.

dola,

I just looked on the front page. There is no "Military Leader" category. I guess he meant Army Chief?

This pick is intruiging... could go either way, guess it depends on how people are voting.

Sorry there was a miscommunication. I didn't mind larry doing my next pick (sent him a list to do so), but if it came back around to me I wanted to pick.

Moses Lawmaker Egypt Pre-20th

Great pick and one of the two I eventually had as backups for Justiced Minister

Thanks. I had just about decided to go in a different direction, when I thought of a really solid back-up for that category and so I decided to go with Moses.

There goes one of my picks. I've come close to picking her each and every round starting round 2, and each time I've held off. Alas. I was going to put her in Religious, but I think she's an even better pick in Civil Rights. Well done Abe.

crap - i was thinking mother theresa for religious as well

I was going to pick her before Pele. Damn it man.

I actually thought she would be better in Religious. Was she really even a civil rights activist? I mean, I know she was an activist, but most of her work had to do with the poor, homeless and sick and her activism was more in regards of taking care of them and raising awareness than having to do with civil rights.. or so I had thought at least?

but you know what - you can make a case that she'd be a good civil rights activist because of that.

i think people are getting very tied down to "what the person actually did" as opposed to "what else they would be good at."

and i think at some point the draft may veer in that direction

Apathetic Lurker selects:

4.12 Ibn Khaldoun, Economist, Tunisia, Pre-20th century

5.1 Simon Bolivar, Civil Rights, Venezuela, Pre-20th Century

Damn I was hoping to get Bolivar as my leader/ruler later in teh drafy

I had him targeted

I think Khaldoun is a good choice for your team.

He raises liberty % by the current tax rate, you know.

God DAMMIT. There goes my pick this round.

Damn, i was honeslty taking him with my next pick.

Good job Surtt, I have to audible.

It will be a few minutes

Nice pick. Was the only other person I considered beyond Isaac Newton for my scientist. Well and one more guy who hasn't been chosen so I won't mention his name.

There's a Bolivar statue in the park across from my office.

Tōgō Heihachirō, Japan, Navy Chief, 20th


One of the best admirals of all time, but not great name factor. Perhaps a reach here, we'll see.

Nice pick Abe

Simon Bolivar

I did a paper on him very interesting guy. I might need to get my notebooks to finish out the draft since I have studied a lot of people.

???

sorry noop - bolivar just got grabbed this AM

like 2 picks ago

Thanks. I had Togo targeted as my 6th rounder and Churchill as my 5th, but I couldn;t really find anyone quickly so I just decided to go with Togo.

Isn't Barkeep49 up?

I know. I was commenting.

ooooh - lol - i thought it was a pick

*needs more coffee*

Gotcha. Gotcha.


I send BK a pm to let him know btw

Will be picking from BK's list if he doesn't pick by 11:36 EST.

Here I am.

Marie Curie Poland Scientist 20th Century

I struggled which time category to put her in, but decided to go with the 20th as that's when she won her amazing TWO Noble Prizes.

I was going to go with Yamamoto. I'm sad to see myself blocked here, as I thought I'd be safe.

naval blockage may become a problem...

Some of these categories are going to be really hard to fill late in this draft.

not to whine, but do we think people could put pick #'s in front of their picks - gives people reading along a good gague on where things stand...

Personally I do not worry about naval too much since humans have been sailing for a ,longtime. Now finding names that the predominant American audience will know could be a problem I agree. On the other hand, the Air Force is real tough since there has only been a little over hundred years of flight.

this is true mr. galaril

I saw Noop here, but he didn't pick. Maybe he didn't know it was his pick. I'll PM him.

And yes, please put the round and pick# before your pick. That helps your friendly draft coordinator update the first post.

nice pick

I love Noop's drafts - he always drafts the most interesting people

Geez, come on I want to pick, my next two choices are going to set the world on fire!

Nice way of saying he throws a lot of shit on the wall hoping that it sticks. ;)

This is when I draft Oprah

Damn. I had Churchill as a possible Leader pick.

Isoroku was really good, true, but he died during the war, so he didn;t get a chance to lead teh Japanese during the sever counterattcks by the US in the Pacific Theater in teh latter days of the war. That could have have either showed him to be brilliant or overrated, as severe pressure is wont to do. I liked Togo because he was clear and away one of the best admirals of all time, leading the Japanese navy to victory in several major engagements in the early 1900;s over the Russian fleet that was bigger, stronger, and more experienced, and crushed them handily.

And of course, he lost too. He had great insight but was able to be defeated, such as the Battle of Midway. (Although to b e fair that was partly due to cryptography failures)

That's teh kind of guy I want, so I went with Togo, but i did take him a round earlier than I had anticipated, so if I get zinged for it, i totally understand.

Did Izulde know he was up?

Oh wait, is it my turn?

Ayup

Nope I didn't. I missed that Noop picked. Sorry. Picking now.

Let's get these picks knocked out before I have to leave for a bit.

5.6 Confucius - Civil Rights Leader - China - Pre-20th Century

His philosophy established principles of morality, justice and social relationships that have affected not only China, but other Asian countries as well. He strongly believed in a meritocracy rather than inheriting position and encouraged self-cultivation and leadership by example.

5.7 Erwin Rommel, Army Leader, Germany, Post 20th

The Desert Fox, Germany's greatest general during the 2nd World War.

Both strong picks

Really like the Rommel pick. I thought about him myself.

just dont take my pick DT!

You both better not take my picks.

I got two in the pipe, but iwould rather get them both.

ugh i know who i want, i just need to find out who it was

i can put a placeholder without the guy's name just to block the category + country if you want, and then you all can go on while i find his name...

His name is Gary Coleman and he played Arnold on Different Strokers

gotit...nice page this person has!

no it was Alphonso Ribiera and he was on Silver Spoons

I got to go to class soon, PMed Larry my picks but would love to make them myself.

BTW, wouldn't it be funny if someone used all their post 20th century picks and still had air commander left?

or all thier pre 20th century and left natural wonder

5.8 Mordechai Hod, Air Force Leader, Israel, 20th Century

He was the head of the IAF during the 6-Days war when the Israeli Air Force annihilated the Egyptian Air Force...460 kills to 26 or so losses in the war.

Nah, I wanna see someone use all their Pre-20th picks and still have Geographic Location left. :)

Ntn beat me to it.

idk - i sort of see "natural wonder" as "could fit in either time period" cuz it has existed in both

Not too many top of the line air forces left....figured that Israel has always had a dominant one...hence why I went there, and picked perhaps their best time period

Yeah with the geographical categories, you have some wiggle room, but it will be up to the voters. For instance, a manmade location could be made pre-20th but be more relevant later on. If you can make that case, go for it.

OK, I see both Danny and Galaril here, lets go boys!!

5.10 Pope John Paul II, Chief Diplomat - Poland, 20th century

He helped to bridge catholics and the rest of society, including improving relations with judaism and other religions. And aside from being one of the most influential people in the 20th century, Pope John Paul II was instrumental in bringing down communism in eastern Europe and in their being as peaceful a transition as possible.

I spent a whole class on the 6 days war and I know him very well. I was hoping he'd fall. Bastard!

OK, c'mon, I may have time to grab a cup of coffee!

Lathum, I have leave too, let's go boys!