Irrelevent really. At that time and point I'd have given that reveal at least a day to resolve itself and changed my vote.

I'd be fine with that, even if it were me.

Holy shit i went over 5k...like a 49posts ago!!!! Go me =)

I don't think anyone else need worry about who lathum would take if he were the Brutal wolf ;)


*chuckles*

I imagine it probably would have. I'd be surprised if someone would draft a husband/wife or BFF as wolves together. Then again, maybe Hoops was thinking that same way.

Fair enough I suppose, but I really don't think Poli makes Lathum the seer.

I'm being taunted now. ;)

I am sorry... I have played with Ardent in a lot of games (back in the day, granted) and I dont think he is that smart. No way he left Lathum there through out the whole process.

I miss doing that. People starting killing me for it, even though it was my trademark. And swearing in WW.

Fucking edit this BK!!!!!

let the slight backtracking begin

I work until 3 Central time tomorrow with no computer access so I am going to have to vote tonight.. I am going to wait till after dinner to see if something comes up, hopefully a number 2 to race against Lathum because I will not be voting for him.

Its all about the timing. revealing now doesn't make any sense, good bad or otherwise, its a mistake, a bad play. You're a damned fine WW player, Wolf or Villager, so you already know why I would believe you then and not now.

Yeah, good point.

Actually, it's great to get the brutal out of the way early before we have any reveals. Since a brutal kill is never subject to a bodyguard block, it's the perfect way to off a revealed seer.

or just a way to get good information lost in all the non-WW banter too

You people need to remember one important factor.


Hoopsguy IS the antichrist of WW, he knows all and controls all, if you think of an angle, he's already countered it. if you have a concrete alibi he's already cracked it.

All hail the infernal one, All HAIL HOOPS!

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

I hate to dissapoint but I'm not the brutal wolf or any other wolf.

As for the timing of my reveal I think it would have been a challange to swing 8-10 votes tomorrow and I have a dentist apointment and won't be around much.

No backtracking at all. But for the people who are saying to themselves that my theory is a stretch, I'm just pointing out to them that even if it is a stretch and I'm giving poli too much credit, it's still a hell of a lot more likely than just a typical shot in the dark vote for player x like most day ones are.

And I guess you guys have scared me away from my theory a bit by saying how out there it is. It seems like a total obvious play to me. One I would have done in poli's shoes immediately. I think it's a good strategy and one I figured a lot of people here would think of.

Maybe I'm just a lot smarter than I give myself credit for.


:)

Lathum and Render...

Out for a while guys and gals, but should be able to check back in later tonight.

hey, jsut because two guys like to dance together.....damn sexist women....

I could have made it this...

Olie delivering the thread-killer.

For the record, I'm not moving my vote. This could be a fake reveal. Or he could be the fake seer. Or he could be the real seer. I don't see any of those possibilities being greater than the other so it's 2/3 eh or good, 1/3 uh oh.

you leave Telle and I out of this =):banana::banana::banana:

I find it interesting that you think killing a villager is a good outcome

Killing the fake seer is a neutral outcome since there's no chance for disinformation.

Reason?

kwhitts play bothers me. and I would like to see a second candidate emerge.
he does seem to be backtrackign on lathum, and i worry NO ONE is evern considering that lathum is telling the truth. I dont belive he is, but....... we have to at least consider he is, and if its 20-1 on say one all we have is ketchcup porn and no one wants that!

Dude. I am totally disassociating myself with this vote change.

If anyone (Alan, hoops, blah, blah, blah, blah....) looks at this at day 16 or whatever, I have nothing to do with it. I would rather have more votes. I mean, I don't want to be lynched, regardless of my post and deadline rants, but I'd rather have a few day 1 votes so that I blend in.

I'm at a loss right now...the "usual suspects" are of course on my list of possible votes...but I'm also thinking that Mrs Schmidty might be someone to look at - she made a very good impression in her first game, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Hoops decided to make her a wolf and see what happens. I'm also looking at Clap, he's one that usually stays fairly UTR and isn't someone I automatically go to as a wolf suspect...

''serioulsy? I have never ever EVER been UTR, hell this is my first try (not doing so hot :( )

I'm considering the fact that he's telling the truth. I put it at 50/50. Still not the worst thing in the world though as even if he's telling the truth he still might be the fake seer.

fair enogh, but a second candidate will give us more info for day 2-3-4-5

again, I fd it odd that you think killing a villager is nuetral outcome.

generaly killing a villager is a bad thing.

Damn, there's going to be 20 pages by tomorrow.

So far we've had a cock fight between Lathum and RendeR, discussions of post counts, the newly coined olierage and "last minute" reveal with 20 plus hours left before the deadline?

Just checking back in and trying to catch up but will have to go get some sleep soon. I'll try to catch up in my free time over night but I will not be available for the deadline after all, forgot that I have a dentist appointment at that time tomorrow.

Still keeping my vote as-is for now and probably for the rest of the day as I don't know if a real reason for a change so it's a crap shoot either way.

Since I am not going to be here tomorrow until after the deadline I need to go ahead and vote tonight. and I thought to myself, if I was hoops, who would i pick? Going down the list I said I would pick Mrs. Schmidty, because well, you always need one woman, she is new so nobody really has a read on her, she rocked her first game, and nobody is going to vote off Schmidty's wife cuz that would piss him off and we wouldn't like Schmidty when he's angry.

Second I would pick Daddy Torgo. I have played three or four games with him as a wolf and he is has always been terrific. Between him and Chief I would put them as two of the best wolves, because they are generally in the middle of the post counts, not Alant number of posts, but not UTR either. Both of them are honest to goodness solid players, and I would have picked one of them.

Third I would have picked SnDVLs, I dont know if he has played lately or not, but from what I remember he was a good player. And reading some of the comments already in this thread y'all remember him being good as well. And since he hasn't played in awhile Hoops might have taken that into consideration and thought we would let him slide for awhile without putting him on the chopping block.

Last is Kwhit... in all the games I have played with him, he has pissed me off at least once in each. He is usually pushy but right on the money with his assessments of players. And I think he is one of the more talkative players so Hoops might have made him a brutal wolf knowing he would get kicked off before the rest of his clan.


Those would be my five wolves... with consideration saldana and barkeep. I would have only picked one girl, since to be honest, we have to work twice as hard and have twice the posts to get any credit on werewolf. :)

With that in mind I looked at the current vote count, knowing that I would not vote for lathum, and decided to vote between Mrs. Schmidty and DaddyTorgo... I think there will be more of a chance to get more votes on DT than Mrs. so.

vote daddy torgo

Wow longest post ever for me.

Just got home and have 7 pages to catch up on, 7!!

very nice analysis!

Killing a villager who is going to confuse our ability to form a COT is absolutely a positive.

i hope they take a good, long look at you tomorrow

For whatever it's worth I originally had a bad feeling about Barkeep until Cronin clarified some posts earlier... while I originally had a good feeling about you until your later posts. :)

well you need to stick to your original feelings then

That'd be fine with me. Who doesn't enjoy seeing a smiley face all day long?

I feel the love there Kwhit and thanks a lot for making me a possible target now you turkey. How does that work? Is it a vote anytime before deadline, or just someone's final vote?

Worst vote ever.

And:

Worst spelling ever.

i resent that

SPELLING BEE!!!!

nevermind, I'm half way through page 6 and now see how the voting and target thing works now.

Just the votes that are on you at deadline count for the wolf targeting stuff.

LOL Whaterver makes you feel better EF! I'm only on page 8 now though so I hope you moved that to a more worth candidate later on as opposed to a "just to get even" move =P

if you play enough games you'll see alot of day 1 votes are "get even" votes

Ahhh my knight in tarnished armor! :D

I like this analysis, and seeing as how I don't have much more to go off (and I do not want to jump on the Lathum bandwagon), I will jump on yours instead :)

VOTE DADDY TORGO

i'm not a wolf. Or a cultist. I am strongly on the side of the village in this game. Like I said, i'd be curious to find out after the game if that's b/c poli picked me before hoops could, or if hoops didn't value me highly enough or what.

based on past reads from past games I am pretty sure DT is a wolf

incorrect. You know I try to act the same regardless of whether i'm wolf or villager.

I don't care for being part of sending someone out of the game so I usually try to make my votes count as little as possible day one. PB had been my usual day one vote for a while so I had to pick someone else for this game for day one. :)

I'm honored! :D

regardless of what lathum says, I hope anyone who is a seer knows enough not to reveal at this point, regardless of whether he is telling the truth or not.

dola: to clarify.

I don't like being part of sending someone out of the game day one when it's pretty much a crap shoot so there is nothing much to base a vote one.

Who knew I had it in me? ;)

While I want to say nice analysis, obviously I disagree with some of it. I have been waiting for someone to make a valid argument for someone other than Lathum because I'm just not getting a "wolfy" read on him myself. CR was in my sights last game so I'm not sure if that's just carrying over into this game, or if it's a valid "feeling." I don't know DT and and Kwhit sure seems to be pushy. It seems that for me day 1 votes are going to be based more on "feelings" then anything really being read into posts (ie. you said the word wolf too many times, you must be one!).

Not voting yet myelf, we just have way too much time.

Wow, In all my games of werewolf I have never started a bandwagon. So this is what Alant feels like all the time... :D

****insert tasteless GE joke here***********

My Day 1 vote last game, my first game, I used random.org and regreted not looking at things more closely myself.

You know, even knowing we had some four pages of pre-game posts, you guys have really outdone yourselves. I have just started in this thread, and it's going to be crazy how long it takes me to catch up.

i look forward to your comments

Really? Wow. Back to the drawing board in this game for me - I usually give someone the benefit of the doubt for a bit after a reveal like that.

I'd still like for us to try to come up with another voting target - a runaway does not give us much info to process for day 2.

Ouch! :eek:

Maybe UTR is the wrong word, you are just not usually on my "short list" of wolves when the game starts...the ones I automatically go to are Chief Rum, Lathum, Hoops, DT and AlanT.

Though you did lie to me in the TSW game so maybe I should get a revenge vote here ;)

Olie, I'm not a wolf this time.

Tomorrow must be national go to the dentist at or near deadline day :D

you know this is a very interesting point for later possibly

Oh, well since you are clearly being honest, I believe you... :rolleyes:

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hey i could aoffed you and mcollins night one, i wanted to keep the game goin not just crush yall :D

I am playing under the radar this game. I'm not even top 5 for most posts this game.

putting in a place holder vote in

VOTE EAGLEFAN

he's just giving me a bad vibe right now is all.

I thought about it later and that was indeed kind of you to allow us to keep playing!

You need to get your vibe detector checked... ;)

After reading the posts I definitely am standing by my vote. Getting a first time wolf vibe from Mrs Schmidty. She eemed to start out very slow last game and didn't really add a lot of opinion into the mix until she had established herself in a CoT. She seems to be standing out a bit more this time around and trying to disect quite a bit. Maybe she's just really getting into this, which is great, or maybe she is a fanged one.

She also fits quite well into the list of possible draftees for the wolves side as she may be given a little more leeway for her fresh dive right in approach.

I'm out for the night...need my beauty sleep :) I'll be around between 8 and 12 tomorrow, not sure about after that, depends on the weather...

I'll be gone tommorrow during the deadline, I have a dentist appointment.

This was a joke post by the way. I'll be around most of the day tommorrow. (and I fully believe that no one who actually is going to the dentist is lying about that as someone inferred before. I think everyone feels lying about RL obligations is pretty taboo)

I wish I was lying

lol, didn't realize soeone else had the same tomorrow. Luckily the bad part of mine happened alerady as tomorrow is just getting the permanent cap put on. Good luck with whatever you are getting done.

lol, getting a permenent cap put on

Is that like a neverending drive by?

I know she meant this more as conniving or suggesting that the hypotehtical ardent wouldn't be this mucho crazy looking ahead, but it still makes me laugh to think how he might react. :)

Sorry to keep you waiting, Lathum. It's tougher work than I expected running a draft in the OT forum, and also handling the first night of FA in the FOOL league that started tonight.

I am still composing my thoughts, but I'll give you the skinny. I think you made an odd choice, and I'm not sure yet why you did what you did. But I don't think you're a wolf or a cultist, and I am pretty certain my vote will go elsewhere.

I have no problem at all if you choose to not worry about the FOOL league tonight.

Heh...I told you. I spent all my money. I'm harmless for the rest of FA now. :)

I don't like the one candidate we have, and no one has done anything I can yet pin down as wolfy. So I'm going to think outside the box like LSG and try to peek into hoops' cryptic mind.

Everyone says Lathum is the obvious wolf, or that he plays it so well, he naturally would be a pick there. I am thinking hoops will take it to the next level. There is a known connection between saldana and Lathum that is often played up. hoops knows Lathum likely gets himself lynched early (sorry Lathum). For whatever inane reason, people will figure the drafter would have Lathum and saldana on the same side, being concerned that they might have special insight into one another on opposite sides. I can see that reasoning, even though I have seen enough of both to know that's not true. But the point is, what will people generally believe, in a drafted game? Lathum and saldana are on the same side. Lathum is lynched, comes up villager. Ergo, saldana is a villager. And he even scans as a villager, because hoops knows saldana is a very smart player and would be a nice unexpected choice for the cunning wolf.

So I'm going with sal.

VOTE SALDANA

I should say no one "else" has done anything wolfy. I just don't know yet what to make of Lathum's move.

i have never played with her before, so i have nothing to go on, but I will accept the "vibe" that some other people are getting from her...i consider that at least as legitimate as the reasoning for lathum

ii will be back around noon eastern during lunch break...can we try not to have 7 more pages by then.

vote mrs schmidty

Then why vote at all?

Oddly enough, RendeR has a dentist appointment today too. Although he should be back well before deadline.

Vote count as of post 598:

6 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Alan T (464)
3 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556)
2 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362), saldana (596)
2 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394), SnDvls (580)
1 - OlieGirl - Passacaglia (270)
1 - KWhit - claphasma (527)
1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594)

Because it's fun watching people try to disect the hidden meaning from what is a meaningless vote.

Vote movement is more important than taking the gamble to send someone packing day one. I'm all for a no lynch day one as long as something is learned from watching people flounder their votes around.

One thing that is certain is a day one run on just one person is exactly what the wolves want to see, especially if that person is a villager as it tells us nothing and helps them.