What's the point of voting for him if he can likely just get right back out again? The better bet would be to just kill him.. but I don't know if my role would have enough skill to do it.

Did Render ever answer my question regarding if we can even vote for him? I asked earlier what DT's status was, since last Render said, he was in the bog and i would assume not votable... I am waiting for that clarification mainly, since that is confusing a bit.

I thought he was only in the bog for 24 hours?

I thought Render made a clarification on that.. that the 24 hour period is only in determining victory condition qualifications... I thought someone was sent to the Bog until the game ends, or they are freed or killed.

I thought in that post, he was just clarifying what it meant to be in the bog.

Catching up, I was out all last night.

I guess I don't see the purpose of the items or abilities or whatever that people have to free someone if they are getting out anyways.. The comments made was that someone could be freed or could get out by sheer dumb luck give me the opposite impression....

I could very well be wrong here though, which is why I was asking Render what was up... He seems to be avoiding the subject though! :)

hey all. my day at work has been busy-busy. literally just checking in for the first time all day. what's up?

need to catch up on midnight-noon, and TBH i still haven't read all the Day 1 stuff fully.

Classic. :D

I think that answers the question of whether DT is still in the Bog, no? :)

Wow. Hey, DC finally was bad!

Other than that, I'm totally lost at the moment as far as my individual goals go, so I'm thinking at this point I'll probably go for the team minor win....especially since folks are dropping like flies around here.

Probably because he doesn't want to come right out and say that it's as blah as I think it is. :p

Like flies? We've only had 4 deaths, right? SC, Thomkal, DC, and PB?

Well then, if people do indeed get out of the bog 24 hours after being put in, voting DT off today isn't the answer, one of the Pigs who's victory condition is to kill the wolves needs to just outright kill him probably.

At this point if this is the case, I really don't see the purpose of the voting to the bog, other than a momentary delay in someone being able to do stuff.. and I don't really know what strategy I would take in voting people to the bog other than revoting in people like DT or Oliegirl whom have shown the desire to harm others.

honestly, i don't have the time to deal with...whatever right now. i saw something about me being a wolf...that's not the case is all i know. might be someone with the ability to disguise themself, sure as hell wasn't me

DT, if you aren't a wolf, and you are in line to be killed by someone sizing you up in the game, do you see any harm in revealing your role? I guess I would rather have that to consider before you are dead rather than after you are dead if you are in fact not a wolf.

This was me. I played a hunch and got 'im!


Anxiety 1
Barkeep 1


Your turn BK! ;)

Anxiety, did you know what your potion would do? Why did your hunch lead you towards PurdueBrad?

I did not kill him with a potion, but with a nearby beaker of acid that was just sitting around.

Oh, and when I spyed on him on N1, he was mixing things on a pot. That struck me as odd, but not necessarily evil. Could be a witch, could be making porrage, who knows?

THen he didn;t vote yesterday. That was a bit too utr for me, so I went with my gut.

Give the guy a break, it's his first game

Well, the momentary delay could be worthwhile -- maybe make him unable to do bad stuff until someone kills him?

By the way, if someone does kill him, what happens to the votes on him? If they don't get another vote in, are they penalized for not voting?

That wasn't meant to be derogatory. There's a ton of crazy things going on in this game, and I'm not saying this is a worse game because this aspect isn't as crazy -- I'm just saying he doesn't want us to know how it works, and he doesn't happen to have a confusing aspect for it.

Hey everyone...checking in quickly, we are SO slammed at work and they are cracking down on internet use.

I skimmed through everything and will try to answer what I can.

I followed Telle to try and determine whether or not she was good...which is basically the same reason I used the potion in the first place. I'm trying to get a definitive answer one way or the other on a couple of people...she's pinging my radar hard as a possible "bad guy", but I'm not sure what her role is, mainly b/c this game isn't cut and dry - the "bad" aspect is a very gray area.

All I know is what I was told in my PM...that she was attacked, but won, and she was holding a sword.

What I don't get is if you trust Telle, and she's said DT is a wolf, why you would vote for anyone else, regardless of if it's me or not.

Man, this is a tough game. Here's what I think/know

- That if you trust Telle, you should vote DT. Which I probably will
- That I'm nowhere on my win conditions. My searches haven't gotten me jack except for a breastplate for defense in case someone attacks me. Didn't help that I wasted a search trying to get crafty and searching the initial prairie.
- I'd settle at this point for a minor victory of eliminating the wolves. I can't see a situation where I could hit on all of my conditions before someone else will, since I'd wager we have people who have part of them done to the point where someone may just be 1 part away.

So my focus will be killin' us some wolves. That leads me back to point 1, voting DT.

Telle has multiple vouches at this point - Olie obviously, but I'm also strongly suggesting that I know her role and that she is no wolf.

If there is someone who does not trust her at this point, I would be interested in hearing the reasons why.

And Telle poisoned, and ntn apparently out with something. That's like six in two plus days......I'd call that dropping like flies.

I thought Telle said she was healed

Yeah, I was. Otherwise I'd be dead at this point.

Missed that. Busy the past day.

I missed that, too -- just kinda forgot about it. I think ntn is alive, though, and woke up at noon -- he's usually quiet, though, so I dunno if he's alive or what now.

Well, NTN is in the thread so he should be able to respond, if allowed.

I guess it's possible something happened to him. Anxiety, can you shed some light on what you threw at PB?

As far as casting votes, I guess I would rather place them on a wolf than another villager. Again, this decision will vary for people who may want to hinder another team to enhance their own shot of winning. But since I'm now primarily gunning for minor victory, I would rather slow down wolves and enable the other "villagers" to pursue the major victory without having to worry about bog rescues.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I can respond now. there was a sleep bomb that covered the enchanted castle. Don't know who tossed it. but 3 of us were trapped in its spell. I was glad I had already voted yesterday.

He covered this in Post #520:

and if DT is a wolf I am all about lynching him...
Vote DaddyTorgo

Was there an extra 2 hours added on to when you could respond, or were you just not available until now?

just not available

I could respond starting at 12:00 (I assume eastern but since Ihad students and then had lunch iguess it doesnt really matter.)

Well, I'm with hoops, no sense voting for non-wolves...

Vote DaddyTorgo

I'm a little disturbed, frankly, that someone can escape from the bog and we get no GM notification of it. Seems like that could certainly favor bad guys doing shifty things and not being held responsible for it since no one knew they could do it.

Vote DaddyT

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote DaddyTorgo

Well, Render doesn't appear that he will be answering the question regarding DT, however since he is posting in the thread, its obvious he isn't in the bog anymore and thus votable.

I guess a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, or however that line goes..

Man, the carnage...who did that one?

okay, path was right -- people ARE dropping like flies!

Jerks. I can't believe that you would kill someone as hot as me.

vote DaddyTorgo

since it looks like there isn't another choice out there

apparently someone is playing for their own victory

RendeR - can you update pg 1 with roles/deaths ect. when you get a chance thanks.

Wow. Another Crossbow bolt.

What a surprise...looks like no one is stepping up to claim this one. Who used the crossbow last time?

Nobody as far as I remember.

"Don't you wish your hoopsguy was hot like me...."

Dude that exact same thing ran through my head! I didn't know if anyone would get it...

What the heck?!?!

Ain't that about a bitch...

OK, this is getting ridiculous.

Wait a minute, wasn't Pass Buttercup?

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

So, ummm, Pass? What's up with you claiming to be Buttercup?

Everlasting beauty RendeR, you were supposed to mention my everlasting beauty...

Anyways chaps, best of luck.

it appears to me that all the women roles seem to be dying too.

Alan was right, here. I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts. And don't try to claim I'm the Evil Mastermind, since he's dead already!

Like I said before, I highly doubted Pass was buttercup. I think he was the dread pirate roberts.

The other option would have been whomever their nemesis was (who I originally thought was the evil mastermind).. but since he too is dead.. it looks like Pass is who I thought he was.

so Pass you the dragon that everyone seems to be looking for?

dola, looks like he said his role nevermind

I'm not looking for the dragon, and as long as the dragon doesn't bother me, I don't have any reason to bother him :) I think Hoopsguy and whomever Lancelot is are the people looking for the dragon.. I could be wrong on that though.

Well, I can't get a major victory at this point, which sucks since I managed to find Buttercup. Might as well get a wolf.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Hoops isn't really looking for anything at all anymore.

He's looking at about 6 feet of fine soil

Vote DT

No reason not to at this point

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I finally received the information I'd been looking for and know without a doubt that Telle is good...I'm unable to share the information per the PM I received.

Ok now.. this was kinda odd...

Going with the notion that there's no point in jailing a wolf that has already shown the ability to escape, I decided to try and "do something" to DT. During a search I had came across a brown potion, and figuring that brown might be bad like black, I decided to use it on him.

And when I did, suddenly all his hair fell out and his nails and teeth shortened.. and he turned into a human! And was, ummm, naked :)

Ooh - finally a naked man on the board! Pics pls! :D

Eew

So, you beleive that you've deloused DT, eh?

Alright, for now I'll go with that.

Invote DT

I'm going to use Telle's post regarding DT's change as an opportunity to allow him to have some time to tell us what the potion did and see if he knows more that he would like to share..

Not sure it matters much since its a run away on DT, but the only thing we have against DT is that he was a wolf, which is now in question.

Unvote DaddyTorgo
Vote Oliegirl

I meant UNvote DT. Silly typing on teh silly laptop.

That's what it looked like to me. And I really would have appreciated not getting THAT close of a look! :)

Unvote DT
Vote AlanT

He's had it out for me, with nothing concrete to base it on. PB and Hoops both trusted me, I was as honest as I could be about the Telle thing, and have been as open as I can be without breaking the rules I've been given as a part of my role, yet even though he posted a long post about how he screws up and votes off people he shouldn't, he's still voting for me. Other than stating his victory conditions, he hasn't really given us much as far as the results of his night actions, etc (as far as I can remember - if I'm wrong I'll gladly retract that)...everyone else has contributed with what they found, what they saw, etc...except him. Unless he gives me some specific information as to why I should trust him, I'm not moving my vote.

Olie - I wouldn't put too much in PB trusting you as his role was "Evil Mastermind"

True...I skimmed over all that stuff at work and just got to re-read it thoroughly. But Hoops as Buttercup trusting me must mean something...plus it doesn't change the fact that AlanT hasn't really provided us with any meaningful information.

I am pretty sure that Hoops said you wern't a wolf, which I agree with based on your play so far. Of course there are like 2-4 other bad characters in play besides wolves, so thats not saying much. Plus I am pretty sure that I have been one of the most open people this game, putting it out there early on with what my winning condition was as well as what conditions I needed to get there.. and every step along the way I have continued doing so. I've been pretty clear about my activities every day stating that I have been looking for my two friends with a search command. I definitly have not been saying who is not my friends as I find people who are not friends however, since I really don't want everyone to know who is not a part of my winning condition.

You on the other hand, never explained the part about Telle being a dragon (which you have backpeddled on), you have not given a good explanation for your actions in how they really are backwards if you are truly a good guy, you have not offered any explanation of discrepency of stories between Hoopsguy and you (which he once again brought up and wanted an explanation for as well), and ever since your blunder, you've tried very hard to try to gain trust by stating things that were already obvious (such as Telle being good).

I'm just suprised it took this long for you to vote for me, and I am even more suprised that you haven't taken the same method of trying to attack me like you did to Telle earlier in the game.. I am guessing your "I thought that they were a dragon" excuse wouldn't fly twice though. :)

What discrepancy in stories between me and Hoops?

I stated that I knew Telle was good b/c I got information, it wasn't a hunch any longer. I thought she was bad but I was wrong...not the first time I've been wrong in WW and I'm sure it won't be the last either.

The potion I have now is shimmery/pearlescent greenish color...do you want me to throw it at you and see what happens? I suspect it's something good...or I can give it to you. Will either of those actions convince you that I'm good and get you to move your vote off me?

I learned long ago that in WW games with items, Wolves often will use items in ways to gain trust.. So I personally wouldn't think it would change much of anything for my thoughts about you.

As for the comments about what Hoops said about you this morning, see below:


Like I said, Hoops pretty much said you wern't a wolf, but very clearly didn't come out saying that you were good the way that Telle was vouched for. So that means there is a decent chance you are the evil character I'm looking for.



This is the discrepency between what Hoops saw and you saw with the exact same supposed action. You avoided answering this question the same way you've avoided answering any question that people have asked about your stories that didn't add up.

I'm really not liking any of the current options.. so I'm going to go in a whole new direction.

VOTE SNDVLS

Btw, I do have a sword. So I don't really see any discrepancy between what Oliegirl said and what happened.

Unfortunately hoops didn't tell us what he found to be inconsistent. A wolf came at me but tripped and fell on the ground, and then took off. Perhaps he saw the tripping and she only saw after the wolf was on the ground?

I agree with all this. Alan has come out with victory conditions that seem to match mine. Hoops hinted as much as well. It seems most of us good guys are looking for their ally -- for example, as Dread Pirate Roberts, my ally was Buttercup. Alan was the first one to say that. Olie, I think your vote is misplaced.

I have no idea where to go with my vote.

Yeah, that's how I feel too. I have a positive vibe about Alan.. and I'm no longer convinced about olie.. and after seeing DT's transformation I certainly have no reason to vote for him. Soo.. I went with somebody who I couldn't find much of anything specifically positive for.

This game is insane.

Vote DaddyTorgo

Seems as good a directions as any other as this point.

VOTE SnDVLS