See I kinda looked at it the other way in that Macarena is THE quintessential one hit wonder. It hit the scene like a mack truck and then flamed out just as fast and we never heard from it or the "band" again. I see what you guys are saying about longevity but as a one hit wonder I think Macarena fits perfectly. However, I am not voting so what do I know? :)

I'm a little surprised at the use here.. it's not terrible, but not where I would have gone... But it's U2, so can't go too wrong there anyways...

Lathum's pick

Classic -Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix- 3.2
Epic - BaBa O'reilly ( also known as teenage wasteland)- The Who - 2.9
Arena -
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song - At Last- Eda James - 4.9
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Lathum's comment: Anyone who has evet been to a wedding knows that song. It is a classic. At least half the weddings I have been to that has been the couples song. It is easily one of the greatest love songs of all time

Subby is up

And that's what I'm saying - that argument makes total sense. But I can also see the argument that you want a one-hit wonder - that is a wonder because people know the song across generations and 10 years from now people will know it, that kind of thing.

I'm not sure where i stand fwiw.

That was my other choice I was talking about. I really wanted to take U2 off the board but the only category I had available for them was Love Song and I wasn't sure With or Without You or One would have fitted there either, so I just went one of the most popular songs ever in Imagine. But insomuch the Streets gets U2 off, it's not an Arena rocker. - Pride would have been much better, imo.

I thought about taking Streets as an epic, but I wasn't sure it was over-the-top enough.

:searches on line to find out what this song is:

Bad sign for Lathum...

Yeah, I'm glad to be able to take them late, and especially in the category that they've kind of claimed as their own these days.

Given your Imagine pick, I'm surprised you didn't take Streets as a one-hit wonder.

I'm here to pick

Dola: Oh, right...

But voters less engaged might not bother looking if they don't know it by the title like I didn't. Now that I know what it is, it's a good song, but I don't know if what happened with me may happen with other voters and hurt you.

R&B and Pop are two separate genres and were even more delineated when Stevie Wonder recorded it.

Also, NoMyths just backed my argument on Arena rock songs. Great song in the fourth round.

doh!!

oh man

And re: Pride, it's not nearly as good a song as Streets. Not to mention that if you've ever been to a U2 show, you'd have no question about Streets' Arena credentials...it's one of the two or three songs that gets the loudest reaction. The riff is also instantly recognizable.

In fact... *goes to fire up the tune right now*

let me say something about my pick. Anyone who has evet been to a wedding knows that song. It is a classic. At least half the weddings I have been to that has been the couples song. It is easily one of the greatest love songs of all time

U2 is an interesting arena rock choice. They don't really (imo) fit the traditional definition of an arena rock band. I would categorize them as neo-arena rock - a departure from Queen, Pink Floyd, etc...

I probably would have gone with I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For...because that seems like more of a sing-a-long arena song.

Good blocking move...you take the When Love Comes to Town collaboration with BB King out of crossover consideration.

hahaha :D

I love At Last, Lathum. But I think you probably could have grabbed it in the final round.

Etta James

And that song is fucking beautiful...

I think that's Lathum's strongest pick yet.

I have, of course, been to a U2 stadium concert and nothing ever came close to rockin' the house like Pride. Probably one of my favorite concert moment ever. Streets is a great, great song - so much so that I thought about putting it in Epic.

Word.

I wasn't sure. It is a solid pick IMO and I wanted to get one of my female artists out of the way early.

Idano, I just can't get behind that logic... When I hear Stevie now, it's about the farthest thing from a crossover I can think of - and I tend to think the voters will feel that way too. Again, especially with the definition ML layed out... I can see it being stronger than some of the other picks in that category, but multiple picks for crossover to me have been WAY off of the definition ML laid out (ironically, even his own pick)


Agreed. I just don't know if you'll be punished by people like me that don't recognize it by name.

I'd consider Streets as arena, but I think it would have been better as epic as far as the sweep of it goes, especially the long version with the full intro.

Regarding one-hit wonders, the Macarena is the biggest one-hit wonder, but remember, the public is voting on this. What is going to determine their vote? I appreciate Macarena's position, but depending on which other wonders come out, I will vote for them for longevity.

ML, I am going off my list for my next pick so I will be ready after Subby goes,

That's funny. But we'll see if voters go with name recognition over niche. Probably half will and half won't. At least I got Lennon off the board for the easy anti-est.

And people may punish Macarena because they just hate the song, vs. a one-hit wonder that they enjoy.

Hey, Mapleleafs. can you cut and paste what I said about my pick and edit it into your post for my pick, that way the explination is right there?

Re: Superstition, I agree with the consensus -- it's not a crossover hit in terms of mixing musical genres as much as it is a straight-ahead funk tune that crossed over into widespread mainstream appeal. If we're going with the rules definition, I can't see it being a good fit, but as always the voters will decide. :)

I thought Superstition was a decent pick, although I would have it used it ... differently.

Well I think this might be one of the best covers ever from one of the best cover bands (ok, they had a few originals). Nothing wrong with paying tribute to The Kinks.

Ladies and gentleman, I give you the REAL Van Halen with....You Really Got Me.

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

I think as someone said earlier, we will see more square pegs/round holes picks as time moves on.

solid

That's the impact of Superstition though. It was such a big hit, that Stevie Wonder basically left R&B and became a Pop singer. Now if you want to argue that for most of us, we think of Wonder as a Pop singer rather than R&B, I'll grant you that. But, R&B and Pop are definitely not the same category.

Look at Aretha Franklin, she is R&B, she isn't Pop, but she has had some pop hits. I can't go into others since we're still drafting.

Working on 5.1...

That's all I'm trying to say.


That's the thing though - I hope the voters will reward round pegs in round holes, I know I will. to me you have a much weaker "team" if you are fitting square pegs in round holes... the guys with the most round pegs in round holes will immediately jump ahead of those jamming things in anywhere... that's part of this game, otherwise you'd just get 10 picks without any categories - to just ignore the categories pretty much should hurt you with the voters, especially if you do it repeatedly.

I'm trying to argue that voters will see Stevie Wonder as a Crossover and go "Huh?"... that's all i'm saying...

I've been a fan of your picks, so i'm anxious to see.

That was my first thought. Seeing as how I'm planning a wedding, it's on my radar, but I wouldn't have thought to pick it. Mainly I would have assumed there are people like Wade that definitely know the song but don't recognize it by name.


This is in the same line with the Cash pick. Great songs, definitely from a specific genre, but in their time they were ground-breaking in their mass appeal. We'll see how it plays out.

I do think of Superstition a crossover, not a round peg/square hole at all. I just think it had game-changing potential elsewhere.

after further reflection I probably could have waithed here, but I think this song is so fresh in my mind because I am getting married this year.

He's just gotta hope that people read the song title reaaaallllyyyy slloooowwwwwlllly.

No shame in having it on the roster at all, Lathum. A beautiful song, and takes care of a female slot (snicker).

Yeah, I can see that. Down here in Memphis, we're far mor familiar with Wonder's R&B stuff than most people are. Also, I think age helps here as well, if you're still in your 20s, you probably remember Wonder for stuff like "I Just Called" and dreck like that.

and I think this board is still mostly folks in their 20's (like me), so that's part of my thought.

Great pick by Subby. VH has a few of those that could have gone into that slot.

I'm hitting refresh obsesivly because I love my next pick

Subby's such a tease.

Through four rounds:

1.1 Classic -Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin
1.2 Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana
1.3 Classic - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
1.4 Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
1.5 Classic - Yesterday - The Beatles
1.6 Trendsetter - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
1.7 Arena - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
1.8 Crossover - Walk This Way - Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
1.9 Anti-Establishment - Fight the Power - Public Enemy
1.10 Classic - Hotel California - Eagles

2.1 - Epic - American Pie - Don Maclean
2.2 - Classic - Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones
2.3 - Trendsetter - "Rapper's Delight" - The Sugarhill Gang
2.4 - Trendsetter - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
2.5 - Epic - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
2.6 - Trendsetter - Rock Around The Clock- Bill Haley and The Comets
2.7 - Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - The Sex Pistols
2.8 - Trendsetter - Respect - Aretha Franklin
2.9 - Epic - BaBa O'Reilly (Teenage Wasteland) - The Who
2.10 - Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police - N.W.A.

3.1 - Freebird - Lynyrd Skynyrd - Epic
3.2 - Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Classic
3.3 - The End - The Doors - Epic
3.4 - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter - Arena
3.5 - Crossover - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
3.6 - London Calling - The Clash - Anti-Establishment
3.7 - Layla - Derrick and the Dominoes - Epic
3.8 - Killing in the Name - Rage Against the Machine - Anti-Establishment
3.9 - Born in the U.S.A.- Bruce Springsteen - Arena
3.10 - Macarena - Los Del Rio - One-hit wonder

4.1 - We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister - Anti-Establishment
4.2 - Imagine - John Lennon - Love Song
4.3 - Fight for Your Right (to Party) - Beastie Boys - Party
4.4 - I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston - Cover
4.5 - I Can't Stop Loving You - Ray Charles - Crossover
4.6 - 1999 - Prince - Party
4.7 - Superstition - Stevie Wonder - Crossover
4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2 - Arena
4.9 - At Last - Etta James - Love Song
4.10 - You Really Got Me - Van Halen - Cover
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Apparently Subby's chosen song is the wonderful melody of crickets chirping.

Subby already has a Classic.

Someone's betraying the everyman appeal of his list by doing last-minute market research...

Well when you think of love songs I think you have to avoid the schmaltzy and go for the downright deviant. That's why I'll go with The Kinks - Lola for my love song.

w00t Trannies!

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena -
Trendsetter -
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

sorry for the delay fellas - boss pops in right when I am in the middle of surveying middle america...

Wouldn't Lola qualify as a crossover?

OK, I really like this pick. It's a very popular newer song that gets a ton of airtime but It is also a great anti-establishment song.

Lathum's pick

Classic -Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix- 3.2
Epic - BaBa O'reilly ( also known as teenage wasteland)- The Who - 2.9
Arena -
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song - At Last- Eda James - 4.9 ( heard at every wedding)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -American Idiot-Green Day 5.2

Interesting pick, subby

yeah it draws from rock and rock and roll

Agreed... I thin it could be savvy because of drawing in a certain portion of the voters in a category that is pretty wide-open imo. Only thing I wonder is if it could have waited a few rounds.

This pick seems to fit with the trend that I expected with this category which I think will hurt many contestants in the long run.

Once I picked You Really Got Me for my cover I worried that The Kinks might be off the board for my 6.10 - I agree it's a bit of a reach, but I really liked this as my love song.

how is that?

We've got both kinds, Country and Western.

Actually this line is better, "It's a man baby!"

I think I want to hold off saying because it may influence future picks too much...

PM me if you really want to know.

Pick coming up soon.

For those of you following along at home, that puts NoMyths on the board.

OK but i don't see how it isn't an anti establishment song and you can't make the argument that the majority of people who vote won't see it as one. It certainly is a song everyone will know.

And fwiw, I can't hear Lola without thinking of Weird Al's Yoda. :)

Don't get me wrong, I think it fits very clearly in that category and the American Idiot album is one of my favorite "end-to-end" albums in the last 5 years.

I think its a great pick, like the majority of your others...

As we wait for NoMyths...

I have Butter's next pick ready to go (he PM'ed) and it's one of those great picks in these drafts where you didn't even think of it, but once you see it you go "of course, perfect!"

I added draft order to: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...IZ_tG0Np9qK7QQ

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors
Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party -
Crossover -
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 5.3 - Fortunate Son - Creedence Clearwater Revival

Wow. Great pick.

I wasn't big on your a few of your picks, but the last two have been great.

Figured the marathon approach would work better than trying to sprint. ;)

I almost took fortunate son but I figured american idiot would be more recognizable to more people

Butter's pick:

Classic -
Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4
Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4
Trendsetter -
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - Celebration - Kool and the Gang, 5.4
Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7

Now this breaks that trend I was referring to.

Edit: and makes me think of an a-e that I hadn't thought of before.

Wow - top 3 party picks on my board all gone now.

Aside from Gary Glitter, which could have been taken later, I really like Butter's list.

Some people don't like this guy for obvious reasons, but you can't deny the epic-ness of the song.

Classic -
Epic - 5.5 - Thriller - Michael Jackson
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song -
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover -
Anti-Establishment -

Kool and the Gang - solid pick there. I'd put it a notch below 1999 and Fight for Your Right, but I don't think there are any others of that calibre.

Unlike Butter's pick which you claimed was in the "duh, never would have thought of it category"... this one IS in that category for me...

OUTSTANDING pick imo...

You have redeemed yourself. :)

Steal!

Yeah, Celebration is the best of the rest.

The more I think about it, the more I think Thriller would have been a solid 1st rounder.

Maybe I am just missing the defination of the catergory for party song. While celebrate is a fun song, it doesn't scream sex, drugs and rock and roll to me.

ooh I just thought of a good party song

We're looking for songs about parties or the party scene...

Maybe I did reach for Gary Glitter (OK, I did)... but I don't see how that song isn't considered one of the top arena songs of all time. It's got catchiness, and you can't tell me there are many better songs at getting 20,000 people fired up. Maybe I'm in the minority (and judging by the comments, I am), but I had to stick up for my pick a bit there.

A lot of you are coming up with some nice stuff, this has been fun to read so far. Sorry I haven't been around more yesterday and today, but my computer access has been a bit limited.

ntndeacon is on the clock, follow by bub

That choice of words is just disturbing.

I thought it was one of the top 4 or 5 options for Arena Song... Maybe the problem is it's more Arena Song than Arena Rock - particulary by the definition that ML layed out... I think if we were doing a Jock Rock category it's a clear #1, it's a little bit hazier with this category definition.

It was on my list.

I will make my pick in just a second.

Just watched the video for one of my pics and had an 80s flashback. :D

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