And here I didn't even think I flailed. I was basically admitting that I made a bad play on Day 1.

As far as the "I know I'm good", it was true. I knew I was good. Every villager does. Wrong way or not, I"m never going to not point that out when I'm a villager.

I was just sayin'. You had me going all game in the chess one!!

True, I don't think having this game come directly after being the longest lasting (and most refreshing!) wolf in the preceeding game did me any favors.

lol, I still don't see how. Heck, I spelled out mathematically the strong possibility of his being a wolf. No one even took me up on that (lynched me instead, in fact), and then everyone even got duped further into lynching Render.

heinz had a good roll that game.

hey, give me a little credit for the render lynching. :)

Whoops, I had that switched. Yeah, Jackal, you were the one who, really, should have been lynched the next vote after my post. ;) So kudos for you making that last.

jeheinz I had nothing on (but then I was dead, too ;) ).

Dogs represent!

Heh, I remember reading that, thinking "CR rules! He's totally nailed them!" then laughed as everyone proceeded to vote for you. Good times.

Doh!

Prepare me a kitty coffin.

Damn, thought I could pull off a tie with that move.

First post in WW?

Happy belated birthday, Alan!

Trust me, I wouldn't have allowed a tie. :)

That's just cold... ;)

I've heard that somewhere before.

Who got lynched today?

And it has been on hold for the last, oh, maybe 10 hours :)

I refuse to accept my lynching.

Hoops.

I refuse to accept my lynching too

Did you get lynched?

no respect, I don't get no respect... :)

I got lynched first but had a hell of a lot of fun with it. When I logged in and saw It was something like 8-2 against me I started to play with them a little and act like the brutal. There started to be some concern for oliegirl and suddenly people started taking votes off me. I couldn't quite swing a tie though which would have been a win for me for the day/game at least.

hoops took out pass in the night moves and olie scanned hoops who came back bad. hoops was then the sacrificial lamb for an immediate lynching and nigh fall vote and he took out mccollins. It's on the night phase now.

Thanks for the gift!

Well, you weren't the last lynching. I wasn't trying to disrespect you. :p

:)

How did I miss all that?

Now that I've been revealed as a villager, I can say without being accused of posturing that I definitely would not have killed Alan on his birthday.

What is the protocol for this post, can active players read this or should they wait until dead? I was curious when playing the chess and ocean travel game, but I think for the most part I avoided it until death....

Active players can read it, and it is asked that spoilers for the current game are not included. Mainly it was originally a place for dead people to vent about being an early lynch or night target for whatever non-spoilerish reasons :)

I'm so pissed about this new game. I haven't played a game in like 3 games and then I die Night zero. That's completely bogus. I'm never playing in one of his games again.

I'm loving the Operation Sports version of Barkeep49. Keep this guy around and keep him posting in this thread!

Well that's the first game here that I've been killed early. Doesn't feel nice, but whatever, new game coming up.

post- Can't remember the last time I was killed by wolves night 1

Uh oh, he's gonna be slamming bats and helmets down in the dug out and throwing the gatorade cooler in the field!

I'd actually prefer if he jumped out of the dugout and spit sunflower seeds into the ump's face

Twice in a row, I'm sad.

I need to keep drinking so Lathum can come up with a new sig for me.

Friday afternoon/night seems like a good time to start (if you haven't already).

i hate this gam, dunno why i even bother...

Another wolf role and another relatively quick exit. This is getting to be a bad pattern.

Last 4 games:
- villager killed by wolves night two (or was it night one?)
- brutal wolf duked to on day one kill submitted for me ends up as the convert
- wolf lynched by cats after running into LolCats with super human powers
- wolf in a game that looked to be going our was as of hight 2 and day 3 things went a little hay wire

Man I suck at this game.

that's what you get for killing me, i've already been over this with lathum

lol, I'll remember that the next time I am a wolf (which hopefully isn't for a couple games). I would rather try to solve the problem than manipulate it.

Killing Jackal is the equivalent of failing to forward a chain letter to ten online acquaintances.

Actually, been playing MLB: The Show for the past several hours, I should thank everyone involved in the vote, this game kicks ass... :)

Glad I could help EF :)

I've actually been playing a crapload of FIFA so I'm not too upset at the moment either. ;)

Exactly. You don't know what'll happen, or who it'll happen to. But you'll die.

Night 3 is early, right?

Does Day 4 count?

that was aweosme Alan Very impressive!

I'll have alot of comments regarding it once the game is over. Can't post them now as they would be spoilers and not really fair.. Trust me though, I've written Hoops a book :D

Even despite my horrible play this game, it was one of my most fun ones in a while at least.

Post whores.

Dola - And to think they count now.

Despite my previous comment, from an observer I thought you did great Alan. I just didn't understand all the doubt because it was confirmed that Racer scanned you as bad.

Well the net result was three straight wolves dying, so it was all flash and no bang I guess. :) I've had some games that I felt I did great as a wolf, far more than this game. There are some things I think I did really well this game, but best to not talk about that until this game is over yet.

My posting here is not for personal gain, but the overall objective of surpassing the Maximum Football thread!

Team player.

Is it a trend that:
1) UTR wolves have done a bit better lately
2) More talkative players get lynched quicker
3) More active folks get nightkilled quicker

Or is it always that way somewhat?

I particularly noticed #3 in the past couple of long games, but I might be off base. Numerous people have noted #1 and #2.

As the guy with the most posts who's still alive in the current game, I have a big problem with #2 right now. :cool:

But seriously, I don't think I've noticed #3. #1 is always a problem IMO, and as for #2, I think the talkative folks are fine with an increased probablity of getting lynched or night-killed, since we wouldn't want to stay alive simply by forcing ourselves to keep quiet. I think it's just different styles of play, really. I think I prefer playing when there are more people around anyway, so the ends of games get pretty boring in comparison. Plus, getting killed early helps me put off my WW addiction for a while, and get some actual work done.

I think your observations are pretty accurate, mccollins.

- Talkative often means driving the action on lynches.
- Folks with night actions look up the people driving the lynches - want to see if they are on same side, especially if lynch went poorly.
- UTR get scanned later in the process as a result.
- If talkative players drive a successful lynch, they become trusted and a bigger target for night kills.

So at some point the question becomes "why do you play?" - is it to live to the end, to play a good game while you are alive, to participate in a social outlet? I personally think that I'm no longer playing a style that is most conducive to "winning", if that means being alive at the end of the game.

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I have failed in the not talking department! next game I SWEAR!

For a long time, I used to push hard to prevent #1 by always going after people who didn't contribute much the first few days. I had the thought, if I wasn't sure on who or who isn't a wolf, might as remove someone who isn't helping us by providing posts for us to get a feel on if they are bad or not. I'm not really sure why I stopped doing that lately though.

For #2, I talk a ton (I don't think anyone would disagree with that), but I don't tend to get lynched early any more unless I really deserve it. Early on in my playing, I seemed to get lynched on day 3 every game to the point there was a joke about it.. and it probably had something to do with how verbose I was. Once I'd played enough games where people had a feel for my style though, that seemed to stop.

For #3 I think that probably is true, but only because the wolves often want to remove people who are going to drive conversations. If the decision making on where to go for lynches is then left to the wolves it is alot better for them. I can tell you many games that were won by the wolves only due to villager indifference at the end.

I personally enjoy players who have the same type of playing style as I do in WW games, which is why I go to no end to try to keep players like Hoopsguy, Barkeep, Chief Rum, etc etc etc around at least until I know if they are a wolf or not. Regardless of which side I am on.. it just is more fun to me personally.

I can't tell you how many games I swore to myself that I was going to try to play UtR the next game.. it just never works for me. It just is boring to me if a WW game goes multiple hours without any posts.. I hate that! All I can say is just stick to playing the game the way you enjoy it.. If you are going through a phase where you are being lynched alot early or night killed alot early, just bear through it.. we've all been there before. Trust me, I can tell you I know exactly how you feel :)

The most successful game I've had since I started playing again was the game where I was a wolf and stayed pretty quiet and UTR until the end.

When I open my mouth, I always get killed by one faction or the other.

Yeah that Cruise game was a pisser.

Not from where I stood.

I think in some cases you're pretty on mccollins

On #1, I hate hate hate the inactive wolves at the end. I've only been a Seer once and it didn't apply, but if I ever am, I'm scanning randoms first.

On #2, I think it depends. I talk a pretty good amount in games I'm in, and I don't think I've gotten myself lynched, as a villager, too often. But yeah, sometimes just being an active helpful villager all it takes is one misstep and you can get glommed onto and lynched quicker than if you'd just zipped your trap (I WILL NOT ALLOW A TIE!!!!1111!!!!|||)

On #3 in fact frankly I've a number of times watched myself drive conversation and the longer I live sometimes the more I move off my current position, figuring that if I'm talkin' and the wolves are keeping me alive they must just know I'm way off base. Of course I've been basically too chicken-shit to act on completely flipping my line of thinking.

Heinz, I was actually on you more because I felt you started a run on cronin to save PB, more than the tie thing. I only mentioned the tie to give you crap! :)

I know, but I had to spend so much time talking about that, that I couldn't even address why I started on Cronin, which was legit reasoning.

I think #2 also has to do with who is doing the talking. Fact is, if Alan or hoops are wolves it's likely to be found out pretty early because they are looked at as excellent players more than how much they're talking in thread. I do think the more vocal folks in thread tend to get scanned more, and that may have as much to do with it as anything.

Personally, I'm usually just above average in posts but get neither night killed or lynched all that often. I guess that means that I'm really not all that much a threat for anyone. :(

I haven't figured any pattern out yet except that the current trend always seems to be opposite of what I try.

Oh, but thanks again as I'm halfway through my first AA season... I'll say it again, that game kicks ass. :)

Question: Have there been games where roles are not revealed upon death?

Still trying to come up with a good idea for when my turn comes around to hos (2010 I believe ;) ).

even if there hasnt you can be the first :) as long as it balances out....

Eagle, yes there have and it is challenging to run/play a game with that mechanic. It really puts a burden on the moderator to find ways to share some kind of information so the players can piece stuff together.

Example - you have a role that can scan the dead. What happens if that role is lynched D1? No info the whole game? Not much fun ...

Peregrine did a really nice job with this in an early game (something about a river?), other attempts haven't worked as well in my opinion.

Just spit balling sme idas. Not sure which way I'll go yet.

I know alot of people have said that they would never play in another WW game that doesn't reveal roles on death...

I think somewhere it is all Path's fault for the animal farm game :) :) :) :)

I was thinking about revealing hints upon death but not the actual role. The reason is I was wondering if there was a way to do a resurrection type of power but if the seer was revealed upon death it would pretty much take the guess work out of who to resurrect. Still a lot to work out as I have about 5 different ideas at the moment.

Alan, I didn't want to name names, but god that game was frustrating.

I wish I could get resurrected back into the Lovecraft game! Boo to early death!! :mad::mad::mad:

I didn't find it as frustrating! :) (even though I did accidentally kill off someone on my side at night.. woops)

A few of my ideas:

1) 3 teams with sort of a rock/paper/scissors rule here each can perform night kills but but A can kill B, B can kill C and C can kill A. Chose someone from the other team and risk being discovered.

2) Normal wolves/villager type of these but only clues given at time of death at to their role (may reveal wolf/villager but not things like seer or bodyguard).

3) Three team (villager/wolf/vampire type) where there is a covert but that convert can be converted to either team and then becomes the brutal for that side. I envision this using night objects as well, such as a disguise, bat, rope, things that have specific uses as well as hidden uses if the person holding the object is creative enough to try something out of the box.

4) Multiple 2 or 3 person teams that become a free for all to see who is left alive, possibly no night kills per se but night moves.

Opinions welcome and encouraged as I don't want to entirely strike out on my first attempt.

I don't remember no reveals in Animal Farm -- I just remember that sometimes a new rule was painted, and sometimes not, and we spent a lot of time trying to figure out what that meant, then when path got back from out of town, he said it didn't mean anything, and people got pissed.

:lol:

Yeah, but there was no role reveals either though. Blade nearly had a meltdown when no one would believe him that his good friend Bek had tipped off his hat enough that he was Clover the Horse and that everyone should follow his lead post-mortem even though no role was revealed upon his death and no one else could find the tip-off that Blade referred to.

Damn it, Alan. First you bring up that game and then Blade/Bek dynamics?

Suffice it to say that it would have been easier to play that game if I incorporated stuff way outside of the game - basically, it would have been like insider trading in WW.

I'm very happy there is no reason to suspect this kind of stuff anymore.

what happened?

My next game people are just going to post and lynch and die and resurrect until someone says the magic word and then that player wins the game (and a WaveRunner).

:devil:

As much fun as that was to watch, I wouldn't have non-reveals on death in future games. If your seer roles get rung up early or don't share what they get it's just way too hard for the village.

I forgot about that!

I forgot about that, too. It was one of my first games, so I don't think I even knew they were friends until then.

Yep.

Wow, someone actually bothered to do that?

That's like the internet gaming equivalent of molesting 8-year-old boys. It's so pathetic their dick should just be cut off.

The Blade/Bek thing was a major blow to the integrity of our game. That said, I don't see any reason to make that sort of comparison.

I agree with BK, that is taking the comparison quitge a ways over the edge.

Technically not killed early, but not allowed to post in the thread where I picked the wolf team. It feels like I got killed in pre-game!

More games should implement that to stop you.