Good thing there are two other QB's. The Tie Fighter blew the other one all to hell. Man, this is incredible. Customization at its finest.

And Mizzou, you go ahead and bring in Chuck Norris. I've got a mini Mike Ditka that will beat the hell out of you.

I think we can actually program Maximum Football to play like Calvinball. That would be awesome.... :D

Who needs Mini Ditkas when you use MAXIMUM DEFENSE!

I rewatched some of Napolean Dynamite tonight and I think he's the programmer for MF.

You guys are bad, bad, men.

Agreed. The last 50 posts or so have had me laughing for the last 5 minutes :)

best thread ever.

:)

You wanna know how I know this game sucks?

I'll get laid before this game is released.

David Winters ask you out?

My life is so Three To Tango.

I'm glad someone finally decided to cover #30.

That made me literally laugh out loud. :D

Hello, I'm albionmoonlight. You may be wondering where FOFC goes with this joke. Do we focus on the fact that this announcement was made on the Wednesday that the game was supposed to be released? Do we inquire as to the irony of changing a "final" build? Will we try to find humor in the nature of a "low risk" addition? Or do we simply keep it classic and make some joke based on the Super Bowl?

You'll have to stay tuned to find out.

Perfect! :)

David Winter + "niceties" = CRAZY DELICIOUS

Man this thread got good with the screenshot hilarity.

Nice work.

:D :D

The beer tent targets were the best.

So, it seems that yesterday, there were two threads started at the M-F forums... here are their titles:

Man Defense
Cheerleaders

Seems to me, the volume and enthusiasm of response to these topics might shed some sort of light onto the priorities of the M-F community, no? We'll keep a running tab, just to see what we might be dealing with there.

As of this writing:


Stay tuned.

I will. Video playback on a PC is one of the riskier bits to get working right. You don't add it right before shipping, and any changes to videos (length, size, codec, etc) are very risky and need thorough testing. If he does not already have a video playback engine, adds one, and ships a couple of days later, I would not be surprised if he gets significant support requests related to the video playback engine.

The real question is if he adds cheerleaders to the sidelines, how many years will that delay the release?

depends. people are calling for customizable breast sizes.

Tack on the related changes needed to the box artwork and we're looking at 2008.

Yet another reason to toss the sweep.

Post of the Year


Bravo.

What's amazing is that the post of the year comes long after this is named the thread of the year. That's top notch and delivers effortlessly through the hype.

Geez. You people are so demanding. This is an easy solution.

TD = 12 points
FG = 6 points
Safety = 4 points
PAT = 0 points

There you go. No problemo. I have fixed your issue and now I am confident you will purchase this game and enjoy it immensely.

Sweet. I think you need to make it 7 points on FG's longer than 50 yards though.

Shouldn't safeties be worth more points since they are so rare?

It's pretty funny that no matter how many defenders there are, #30 always manages to get wide open. Of course, it won't matter if he doesn't turn the fuck around.

I want to just have two OL, three WR vs two DL, three DB, and a floater on each team who looks for the Glowing Firefly, which when caught counts for 250 points and ends the game :D

I'd buy that.

http://www.matrixgames.com/news.asp?nid=296

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Post-Superbowl Blues? Maximum-Football Goes Gold!
Posted by Matrix Admin on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 @ Eastern Daylight Time

Run, Throw, Manage, Coach, Design Plays and More!

Matrix Games and Wintervalley Software www.wintervalley.com are proud to announce the second sports title in the Matrix Games line, Maximum-Football, has gone gold and is expected to release early next week as the first 3D sports strategy game of the 21^st Century.

Primarily a coaching and management game, Maximum-Football is a robust North American Football game where you can change nearly every single aspect of the rules and features. Use Indoor, outdoor, Canadian, or American rules, or any combination thereof. Utilize the robust play editing system to create your own playbook specifically tailored for the team you drafted and trained in the pre-season. Compete in player run leagues and discover if you have what it takes for a championship ring.

It isn’t just managing every aspect of a team though, Maximum-Football also features fully functional coaching and arcade mode where you can watch the action or take the controls to run, pass, block, and tackle in true 3D. The feature list for Maximum-Football is tremendous, but here is a peek at just some of the key items on the list. For the complete list, please visit the Matrix Games Maximum-Football forum at www.matrixgames.com.

Maximum-Football Feature List:

*Multiple rules styles. Play Canadian, American Pro, American Amateur, or Indoor styles of football, all with a single game.

*Ability to mix and match some rules to create your own league with your own rules.

*Fully DirectX based with full 3D game play environment. This is not a text based game.

* The Play Development System. The most advanced play design system available for any football title on any platform. A point and draw system allows you to draw the player routes and assign scripted actions to the player along those routes. Most plays imaginable can be created with the PDS. Works with all rules styles.

*A full practice mode allows you to take to the full 3D practice field and run your newly created plays with or without a defense.

*Open source team artwork allows for simple addition of user created artwork for team uniforms and field artwork.

*Basic career mode allows for drafting players from a free agent pool, developing their skills through a training camp system, and watching them perform on the field until they eventually retire.

Discover the ultimate gridiron game! Maximum-Football will be available next week from the Matrix Games store.

I thought this was pretty funny. I think he's serious.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm...age=1&#1062207

Hmmm, no mention of Tie Fighters, Beer Carts, or Touchdown Jesus.


:confused:

Glad they cleared that up. Even after saying it was DirectX in a full 3D enviroment, I still thought it might be a text sim. ..


This does not explicitly say it isn't text based, so is practice mode 3D but still text based.? I'm so confused now...

No. He finished his text-based games in the 60s.

Anyone else notice the dates of the announcements on the MFing news page?

12/15/04 - Annoucement that MFing is joining Matrix
3/15/05 - Annoucement about a MFing developer chat
2/15/06 - Annoucement that MFing has gone gold.

All those 15's have me thinking that this is just an elaborate enigma puzzle.
-----------------------------------------------
Here are three similar number sequences...decode the hidden meaning to find the actual release date.
-----------------------------------------------

So let's see...the 15's cancel each other out. Add the 2, but subtract number of days in December... Hmmm.... Divide by 107 man rosters and a 87 team CFL European Division... By my calculations, it's either coming out on Septembruary 15, 2037 or it came out six years ago. I dunno.

I have no clue what a "lurket" is.....

Beware the Ides of March.

What's an Ide?

Mix and match *some* rules? Oh now that's bullshit. Fully customizable my ass.

I want the money I haven't spent on this piece of tripe back.

Inside defensive end?

Those are freakin sweet.

And from the screenshots, it looks like there's at least 6 IDEs....

:D

Must be Canadian, eh?

That's patheric spelling on your part.

Wait...I thought he said he was adding in-game videos or something. I guess they abandoned that and went ahead with going Gold?

Maybe "gone gold" doesn't mean the same thing in Canadian English as it does in American English. Perhaps only the box art has been completed.

I hope I get to add ogres and giants and stuff to play DL. Let's see them run on me.

I feel bad about Matrix games, they are my favorite wargames company, i still play SPWAW and i'm amazed about the free updates that they keep releasing for that game after years.

stop pickin' on my spelling you spelling nazi!

I'm hoping I can set my quarterback up to stand behind the line of scrimmage and yell, "lightning bolt! lighnting bolt!"

Fixed.

(I rarely look at screen names, so if someone hadn't pointed it out, it wouldn't have bugged me so much. :p)

Oh great...now we're going to get a thread about how SkyDog stole an "r".

:D

It's not as funny now.

And I'd be fair. I'd give just as much weight to the contrarian opinions in that thread as I would to the ones in others that give feedback on my modding decisions. ;)

Can I have Lurker's "r"? That would make me Beer. :D

I think I want to rearrange my name so that I'll be JeBeerD... :D

There is no such thing as an Ide. 'Ides' (EE-daze) is simply the Latin word that means 'the fifteenth day'--although in some months it means 'the thirteenth day.'

They only had names for three days (Kalends being the first and where we get our word 'calendar').

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html

Progression of a thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Post #1 Leaving aside the fact that this game has been advertised forever, anyone still looking to buy this game? Should be out in the next month or so. Would have been out already from what I understand, but when Matrix Games picked it up as the distributor they wanted the career thing added and so the delay resulted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Post #1 One of the posters over on that board really hit what I think. You would think that great as the text-sims may be, would it really be that hard to add even some rudimentary graphics to the game? Not even 3d, just something to add movement and a sense of 'being there' while it unfolds. Can't believe this far into game developement and its either all or nothing. Madden or FOFC (good as the latter may be.)

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And what a long, fun trip it's been.

I think I should get it. Then I'd be BuzzBeer. How appropriate is THAT?!?!?!

I think our board could kick their boards ass.


If we need any help i could get my dad...he's the toughest dad around.

Duh.

Am I mistaken in what Gone Gold means? How can it have gone gold and still have stuff being added to it?

Seems like if it had really "Gone Gold," then it would be available for purchse via download, would it not?

Because they are going to one up the entire software industry, and announce that they are now "going platinum"!

:D

They made a mistake. It has only Gone Bronze. I am still waiting for it to be in the Gone Silver stage.

Apparently there's some work left to do on the "safeties-standing-still-throughout-the-entire-play" bug.

Theoretically, I think the game has Gone Talc.

Looks like more than just the safeties are standing around not doing anything.

The quarterback looks sickened by the entire play.

What are you guys talking about? The QB merely pump-faked 12 times before handing off on the sweep. No wonder the safeties are standing there flat-footed.

I don't think so. I think they are using basketball's version of the zone defense. It is customizable.

Well, lets look at all of the problems I see here:

1) Safeties are stationary
2) #24 doesn't seem to have any desire to block downfield.
3) CB following WR across the field, away from the ball, when the RB has the ball and he has deep zone help.
4) #64 is sitting down, and I can't for the life of me see anyone who would have put him there.
5) The defensive lineman, #83?, is just standing there.
6) I don't see a beer tent.

Nah, the Safties are designated spies on the QB. Since it doesn't look like the QB moved, why should they move? :D

Dola,

Maybe #30 stole #24's girlfriend, so he has no desire to block for him. Didn't they mention teammate cohesion as one of the included features? :D

I was listening to the radio up here in the north country and was pretty shocked when I heard this on the radio. Apparently they've got a radio campaign up their sleeve.

http://www.icppradio.com/ads/maxfootball.mp3

I never get tired of these screenshots.

The Box has Gone Gold, not the game...

Why on earth would anyone purchase this game via download? You do realize you'd be missing out on the BOX ART, right? That's worth at least $10 of the price there!

Now, granted that this guy has dug himself a huge hole with his dismissive comments about the text sim genre and this board, so I don't have a lot of sympathy for him...

...BUT this is exactly the kind of thing that should prove just how fucking hard it is to try and pull off a marriage of 3D graphics and a sports text-sim. I give this guy credit for having the balls to try it, and I don't know how much help he's had in creating this thing, but it doesn't shock me that it's taken him so long to get the game ready for release.

As one who spent 5 years working on 3D football games, I speak from first-hand experience in telling you all how hard it is to make a 3D football game realistic enough to not draw all kinds of criticism on how it plays. Hell, look at Madden - they have 2 decades of making football games, and yet they still can't reproduce football close enough to satisfy all the critics. Pause a game of Madden at any point and I'm sure someone could find something on the screen that they could nit-pick.

I don't know whether this guy has any idea the world of criticism he's opening himself up to by representing football in 3D. Once you get to that point, people will stop considering who the developer is, how hard it is or what the intent was with the game in the first place - if you provide a 3D representation of football, people will want it to look as realistic as possible in terms of behavior (and to a lesser extent graphics). With his limited resources, there's simply no way his game will look anywhere near Madden or any of the other current 3D football games - he simply won't have enough animations, enough sophistication in his animation engine and an AI that has been run through the wringer in terms of testing.

Jim and Arlie and others have the luxury with text sims to present outcomes of plays (with maybe a minimal amount of in-play commentary telling you how the play is progressing). You don't get to "see" if the FS is taking a poor angle on a play or if your LG is standing around while a MLB blitzes right by him.

Even if this guy had attempted to recreate the old XOR football game with the top-down view of the game with X's and O's as players it would've been a lot of work, but also a lot less prone to this level of criticism.

Now, I know he's brought this criticism on with his attitude, and I think the comments here have been funny as hell, but it should also be a lesson to those that wish someone would just plug the FOF sim engine up with the Madden graphics engine and *PRESTO* you'd have the perfect football game. It's way, way harder than it sounds. As much as people like to harp on Madden, it's not Blitz - they're trying to mimic NFL play, and they still don't have a perfect result, and they've been doing it forever.

You should have made this its own thread. This is ridiculously funny.

Maybe if they would stop spending so much time on stupid crap like "Superstar" mode...but 100% realistic game play doesn't sell copies of Madden, so I'm not sure exactly how much they are pushing in that direction.

And I can't blame them. Who in their right mind wants to sit down with their buddy for an hour or more and play out a game like this year's Super Bowl? Not the majority of the people who buy Madden, I'm sure.

dawg, I agree with you. I still think back on my favorite football game (of any kind): Tom Landry Strategy Football (early-mid 90s). It had similar graphics and it was neat to watch the play you called (chosen from a playbook) unfold, including being able to play (or replay) it in vcr mode, like frame by frame. TLSF was more popular on the Mac because of the superior graphics and it beat anything FPS had until 98. I think there is a good market for this kind of game (but not this particular one) because I suspect many would love to see a text sim more visually. Look how excited people got seeing the 2D game in FM.

well done.

SUPERB!

I was waiting for the "Car salesman" voice at the end to say really fast "Estimated release date March 1 2045, developers not responsible for delays in release due to added features, graphics enhancements, or threatened project cancellation, maximum football does not guarantee statistical accuracy or any resemblance to reality, your mileage may vary"

I haven't seen that crowd since NES's Pro Wrestling.

Hey that's an inside stadium (see weather Inside & 20 degrees C), what is the city doing there? Must be a mural.

That is fucking hilarious.

Awww.. linky is dead. :(

Just worked for me, Todd.

Out. Fucking. Standing.

sov gets two thumbs up.

Holy shit that was funny as hell. Well done.

I thought it was too, but for some reason it won't work if you click on the link in someone's quote box (at least it didn't for me.) I scrolled up to sov's post and it worked.

And I concur with everyone else. Awesomesauce!

I think this thread should be stickied.....forever.

Oh, my fucking shit. The mention of the cheetah gave me stomach cramps. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time.

Did the cheetah have any special significance that I missed?

That's actually Suicane, you guys. Figured the "real" link would've given that away. He deserves the props.

I was wondering if that was Sui. Because that voice sure didn't sound like anything that could come out of your skinny Minnesota ass...