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cartman 10-07-2020 12:28 PM

The Rasmussen poll released this morning had Biden +12.

PilotMan 10-07-2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3305176)
The Rasmussen poll released this morning had Biden +12.


28 days is a long time, but early voting at this point in time makes me feel better.

Early voting is the only reason Amy McGrath won KY. She would have been trounced at the last minute by her Louisville challenger, Charles Booker, in the wake of the Breonna Taylor killing, had it been a day of election decision.

Atocep 10-07-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3305177)
28 days is a long time, but early voting at this point in time makes me feel better.

Early voting is the only reason Amy McGrath won KY. She would have been trounced at the last minute by her Louisville challenger, Charles Booker, in the wake of the Breonna Taylor killing, had it been a day of election decision.


She's a lesson how not to run a campaign in Kentucky.

thesloppy 10-07-2020 12:50 PM

The evidence (or lack thereof) sure seems to be pointing to Trump making everyone around him test for covid while he wasn't getting tested. Nobody can point to when he last tested negative, cuz he wasn't getting tested at all.

ISiddiqui 10-07-2020 12:54 PM

My friend has taken to calling Trump the Pestilence of the United States. Well coined IMO.

Bee 10-07-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3305176)
The Rasmussen poll released this morning had Biden +12.


So that's like Biden +20 in reality, right?

:D

Brian Swartz 10-07-2020 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015
I'm trying not to let my hopes get too high, but I think he's toast and it's not even going to be close.


Part of me's looking forward to seeing what happens when some friends & acquaintances of mine see the results. Particularly the ones who generally are apolitical but have gone all-in on COVID is a hoax, Trump is the greatest president and America's only real hope, etc.

The butthurt may well rival what happened on the left when Trump won, and that's a high bar.

JPhillips 10-07-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3305183)
The evidence (or lack thereof) sure seems to be pointing to Trump making everyone around him test for covid while he wasn't getting tested. Nobody can point to when he last tested negative, cuz he wasn't getting tested at all.


And it seems more and more likely that the superspreader at the ACB party was Trump himself.

kingfc22 10-07-2020 01:09 PM

A long, long read but well worth it.

The Case Against Trump (and why some of your friends and family no longer want to speak to you)

spleen1015 10-07-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3305186)
Part of me's looking forward to seeing what happens when some friends & acquaintances of mine see the results. Particularly the ones who generally are apolitical but have gone all-in on COVID is a hoax, Trump is the greatest president and America's only real hope, etc.

The butthurt may well rival what happened on the left when Trump won, and that's a high bar.


They'll all be screaming about election fraud. No doubt about it.

sterlingice 10-07-2020 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3305175)
Followed by this thread:

You’ve never beaten me at anything. This is our first dance. @realDonaldTrump. Did you like #covita. @ProjectLincoln. @TheRickWilson @stuartpstevens @reedgalen. We are so much better at this than your team of crooks, wife beaters, degenerates,weirdos and losers. You are losing 1 https://t.co/w1E9ZvRaYc
— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) October 7, 2020


Um, ouch:

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One day I suppose there will be some small and not much visited library that bears your name. It will be the type of place where a drunk walks by, staring at the wall for a minute, before deciding it is beneath his dignity to piss on.

SI

ISiddiqui 10-07-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 3305191)
They'll all be screaming about election fraud. No doubt about it.


Yep, and they'll swear until their dying day that the Deep State rigged the election for Biden.

sterlingice 10-07-2020 01:38 PM

There's a tipping point where the Trump supporters aren't going to turn out. His brand of being a "winner" is a big part of his appeal. You don't stick around a bully who is about to lose - you're going to try and pretend you never liked him in the first place, just like all the people that abandoned Bush after 2006.

SI

stevew 10-07-2020 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3305188)
And it seems more and more likely that the superspreader at the ACB party was Trump himself.


So who is Trump's mistress that gave it to him?

spleen1015 10-07-2020 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3305198)
There's a tipping point where the Trump supporters aren't going to turn out. His brand of being a "winner" is a big part of his appeal. You don't stick around a bully who is about to lose - you're going to try and pretend you never liked him in the first place, just like all the people that abandoned Bush after 2006.

SI


It would be really great if that happened. I would love to see Indiana flip blue because of this reason.

stevew 10-07-2020 01:46 PM

sorta conspiracy dola-

I wonder if Melania even has it? Admitting that she doesn't would just show how little time they spend together. I thought it was a fishy announcement from the start.

PilotMan 10-07-2020 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3305200)
So who is Trump's mistress that gave it to him?


Hope Hicks?

stevew 10-07-2020 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3305203)
Hope Hicks?


nah, she had an affair with some other dude on the campaign. Trump wouldn't want sloppy seconds like that.

ISiddiqui 10-07-2020 02:24 PM

Because Stormy Daniels was so virtuous when Trump got to have sex with her?

stevew 10-07-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3305208)
Because Stormy Daniels was so virtuous when Trump got to have sex with her?


I don't doubt that he has banged Hicks, but she's been linked to a bunch of dudes in his circle and all of them have gotten downgraded. Lewandowski, Porter, (maybe not actually) Parscale.

Edward64 10-07-2020 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3305126)
At this point why should the dems come back to the table other than its the right thing to do. Why give Trump any kind of win three weeks prior to the election when they can just reference his own words when pressed.


Because there are people out there that need the $1,200 check, companies will continue to layoff without something, and have Biden and Dems inherit a "less" weak economy.

Looking at it from a purely political point of view, I agree that Pelosi should not agree on a deal this close to elections. Not because it will hurt Trump because I doubt he'd get that big of a bump, but because what they can say about the GOP Senate not wanting to deal, and also because of the more Dem friendly package they can pass in Jan.

But she does need to continue to "negotiate" and show as if the Dems are trying.

So what is the greater good or the lesser of 2 evils?

RainMaker 10-07-2020 02:53 PM

Dems passed two bills that the Senate won't even bring up for a vote. The Senate has done squat.

Nothing is going to pass because McConnell doesn't want it to. He knows Trump is toast and likely his Senate majority. He's not going to hand Biden a recovering economy. And he already got the money for wealthy folks and big companies that he cares about. So he'll get the new SCOTUS judge confirmed and that's it. Reports are that McConnell is the one that got in Trump's ear yesterday to tell him to pull out of talks.

There's no reason why Democrats wouldn't want a massive bill to pass to help their candidate when they take office.

sterlingice 10-07-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 3305201)
It would be really great if that happened. I would love to see Indiana flip blue because of this reason.


If it goes blue wave this year because the Trump support just crumbles, that will help the Dems across the board for the next decade with redistricting

SI

thesloppy 10-07-2020 03:14 PM

One thing that never gets brought up from the media side is that unemployment benefits do have time limits (I believe 6 months and then there is a possbile federal 3 month extension after that) to the point that the great majority's benefits will likely have already expired entirely before they reach any kind of agreement on 'boosting' those benefits, which soundly defeats the point.

Jas_lov 10-07-2020 03:14 PM

And the House passed the first Heroes Act back in May. GOP Senate did nothing for 5 months. Pelosi was negotiating with Mnuchin until Trump backed out yesterday. Not sure how this is the Dems fault when they've already passed 2 bills and Trump backed out of negotiations.

sterlingice 10-07-2020 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3305221)
And the House passed the first Heroes Act back in May. GOP Senate did nothing for 5 months. Pelosi was negotiating with Mnuchin until Trump backed out yesterday. Not sure how this is the Dems fault when they've already passed 2 bills and Trump backed out of negotiations.


Because the Dems are supposed to be the ones who actually want to take care of people so it's their fault if people are screwed?

SI

JPhillips 10-07-2020 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3305200)
So who is Trump's mistress that gave it to him?


Not a mistress, but I've seen speculation that it was (co)Ronna McDaniels, and that at least lines up with the WH timeline. Of course, the WH is probably lying about the timeline, so...

JPhillips 10-07-2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3305202)
sorta conspiracy dola-

I wonder if Melania even has it? Admitting that she doesn't would just show how little time they spend together. I thought it was a fishy announcement from the start.


She's using it as an excuse to avoid the fucking Christmas decorations.

BYU 14 10-07-2020 03:45 PM

This whole presidency is what happens when you hand the keys to the kingdom to the spoiled, privileged sibling who has skated through life on his/her trust account their whole life. America has become what the Hilton Hotel brand would be if Paris was named CEO 10 years ago.

ISiddiqui 10-07-2020 03:52 PM

I'd actually trust Paris Hilton as President more than Trump.

Atocep 10-07-2020 04:03 PM

Trump could have bowed out during the primaries in 2016, said something along the lines of "I can do more to help make America great again by not being constrained by politics", started a news network to trash hillary's presidency 24/7, make 100s of millions, and been happier.

His presidency will go down as one of the worst things for Trump and his family. All of them have countless investigations to look forward to from here on out.

BYU 14 10-07-2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3305231)
I'd actually trust Paris Hilton as President more than Trump.


And that bar wouldn't trip a centipede if they tried to jump it.

Bee 10-07-2020 04:31 PM

I just saw on Fox News that the Trump campaign has stopped ads in Ohio and Iowa because they are so "optimistic". I guess that is one way to put it.

Ksyrup 10-07-2020 05:07 PM

Just saw a tweet that they've either pulled out or severely cut back ads in the entire Midwest.

Lathum 10-07-2020 05:20 PM

That video that was just released, horrific....

Lathum 10-07-2020 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3305198)
There's a tipping point where the Trump supporters aren't going to turn out. His brand of being a "winner" is a big part of his appeal. You don't stick around a bully who is about to lose - you're going to try and pretend you never liked him in the first place, just like all the people that abandoned Bush after 2006.

SI


we may be seeing that with reports seniors are bailing on him en masse.

BYU 14 10-07-2020 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3305243)
That video that was just released, horrific....


???

Lathum 10-07-2020 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3305246)
???



Ksyrup 10-07-2020 05:31 PM

Fox News poll Biden +10, Biden +39 among those who believe Covid is most important factor.

BYU 14 10-07-2020 05:39 PM

Jesus, sorry I asked. "some people don't understand what therapeutic means" says the guy that has no clue what therapeutic means.

This is like his bottom of the 9th, close my eyes and swing for the fences against a Phil Niekro knuckler moment. Free Regeneron for everyone and my truth, even when it is another lie, is the only "truth" that matters!!

albionmoonlight 10-07-2020 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3305249)
Fox News poll Biden +10, Biden +39 among those who believe Covid is most important factor.


If I am doing my math right, that means that for people for whom COVID is the most important factor, Biden leads ~70-30

Which means that 30% of the people for whom COVID is the most important factor still prefer Trump.

How is that possible?

It's like 30% of the people for whom reducing immigration is the most important factor being pro-Biden.

JPhillips 10-07-2020 05:46 PM

So we can prosecute terrorists and didn't need military courts in Guantanamo.

GrantDawg 10-07-2020 05:53 PM

He says God sent him Covid. Ok.

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Ksyrup 10-07-2020 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3305252)
If I am doing my math right, that means that for people for whom COVID is the most important factor, Biden leads ~70-30

Which means that 30% of the people for whom COVID is the most important factor still prefer Trump.

How is that possible?

It's like 30% of the people for whom reducing immigration is the most important factor being pro-Biden.


I interpret that to mean opening the country and moving past Covid is what they mean by most important to them. Not that his response to something they think is serious has been good, but that his anti-mask, live with it approach is the correct answer to Covid.

JediKooter 10-07-2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bee (Post 3305235)
I just saw on Fox News that the Trump campaign has stopped ads in Ohio and Iowa because they are so "optimistic". I guess that is one way to put it.


Maybe it's Sadie Hawkins day in those two states?

albionmoonlight 10-07-2020 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bee (Post 3305235)
I just saw on Fox News that the Trump campaign has stopped ads in Ohio and Iowa because they are so "optimistic". I guess that is one way to put it.


I guess the game theory reason (assuming the reports of low money are true) is that if he's lost those states, he's probably lost the entire Midwest and the election.

So if you think in terms of Worlds In Which Trump Wins, you have to start with the assumption that he's got Ohio and Iowa in the bag. Then you think that, OK, the swing states in that assumed world are Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, Arizona.

thesloppy 10-07-2020 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3305248)


Good Lord, man.

Brian Swartz 10-07-2020 07:42 PM

Godwin's law much?

stevew 10-07-2020 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3305248)


i bet it's a deepfake.

kingfc22 10-07-2020 08:27 PM

So 12,000 dead is worse than 210,000 (and growing) dead. Got it.


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