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larrymcg421 10-06-2020 06:35 PM

Most recent poll of Alaska (Sep 20-23) had Trump only up by 1. The only Dem to ever win Alaska was LBJ.

Ksyrup 10-06-2020 06:48 PM

How does anyone get to this place in their thinking?


Brian Swartz 10-06-2020 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight
Here, it's like "Well, people different from you sometimes express opinions, and it isn't quite as cool to shout them down as it was in the 50s" and that's seen as such an affront to everything that it's going to tear the country apart.

Sigh.


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Originally Posted by KSyrup
How does anyone get to this place in their thinking?

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Lathum 10-06-2020 07:39 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/u...imes&smtyp=cur

JediKooter 10-06-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3305090)


That should be criminal if it isn't already.

PilotMan 10-06-2020 08:01 PM

25% chance to win is just flipping a coin 2 times and getting heads twice. That's it. Every one of us has done that before.

kingfc22 10-06-2020 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3305090)


But, but “pro-life”...

kingfc22 10-06-2020 08:27 PM

Dola


“But her emails” is apparently the newest strategy to throw at the wall to see if it sticks.

albionmoonlight 10-06-2020 09:15 PM

He just tweeted that Congress should pass airline and small business relief funding and he will sign it.

So stimulus talks are . . . back on? Still off?

At least the tweets are so stupid that we know it's him and not an aide faking it.

Jas_lov 10-06-2020 09:25 PM

And he just said he'd sign a standalone $1,200 stimulus check bill. All of these things were in the covid relief bill that he tanked. Please make it stop, Biden.

kingfc22 10-06-2020 09:42 PM

He’s off his rocker even for him.

thesloppy 10-06-2020 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3305096)
Dola


“But her emails” is apparently the newest strategy to throw at the wall to see if it sticks.


...and why not another round of "the REAL crime was the way they investigated the crime"

sterlingice 10-06-2020 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3305073)
Guess we will learn if covid can kill someone who is already dead inside


Or is this part of the movie where it finds so vile a host that it mutates and kills us all?

SI

CrimsonFox 10-07-2020 02:25 AM

Today is a renminder of how trump and his staff separated families and locked them in cages until some of them died or were raped. It's a reminder because one of the people most in favor of this caught covid today

GrantDawg 10-07-2020 05:52 AM

Isn't weird that there is no report on Chris Christie's condition? The last thing I saw was he did talk to a reporter on Monday. He said Christie sounded raspy, but would not say what his condition was.

Edward64 10-07-2020 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3305117)
Isn't weird that there is no report on Chris Christie's condition? The last thing I saw was he did talk to a reporter on Monday. He said Christie sounded raspy, but would not say what his condition was.


I would like to know about all their conditions and the treatment they are taking.

If I'm in early stages, I want 5 doses of that Remdesivir!

Edward64 10-07-2020 06:13 AM

It's good that he is back at the table. They should just split the difference and get it done, there is danger to Pelosi/Dems in sticking to their $2.6T (?) to spite the other stuff ... at this stage, something is better than nothing and the Dems can do the rest if/when they sweep.

Lathum 10-07-2020 06:35 AM

At this point why should the dems come back to the table other than its the right thing to do. Why give Trump any kind of win three weeks prior to the election when they can just reference his own words when pressed.

albionmoonlight 10-07-2020 06:50 AM

Yeah, Trump destroyed all his leverage.

If he and the GOP want to take the Dem deal, then the Dems should do it.

But why should they meet the GOP halfway when Trump took the political hit for a non-deal unto himself?

QuikSand 10-07-2020 06:56 AM

What kinda sucks is being a tiny voice in all this advocating for the first responders and health care workers who don't have elastic state/local budgets to support them, like the federal government does. IMO that's a worthy target for some emergency relief, and a lot of policymakers (on both sides of the aisle) say so... but phrases like "bailout for failed Democrat states" is so politically powerful, the issue looks like it's just been set aside.

It's possible that there are indeed dopes out there who'd like to divert covid funds to boost up their broke pension plans or whatnot, and most of "us" would gladly accept strings of that sort from the feds. But budgets below the federal level are mostly bad and about to get a ton worse when the federal patch-over kicks in. Sucks to be laying off nurses in your health department during a mass pandemic - but, hey, it's only "Democrat states" that care, I'm reliably informed.

albionmoonlight 10-07-2020 07:09 AM

No, no, Quik. It's that the Dems are sticking to their $2.6T (because they are number-obsessed weirdos, I guess?). Not that the Dems are actually advocating for the amount of money necessary to actually help firemen, nurses, and police officers. You need to read more tweets.

(Your point adds a lot of dark humor to the whole "defund the police" argument, too. The stimulus failed because Dems refused to back off their demands to fund local police departments and the GOP refused to back off their demands to not fund local police departments. But somehow Biden has to keep proving that he does not want to defund the police. When TRUMP ACTUALLY IS NOT FUNDING THE POLICE)

Ksyrup 10-07-2020 07:29 AM

I don't know the specifics on this bill, but the previous bills had a bunch of unrelated garbage attached to them which made it easy for either side to refuse to agree on anything, rather than just narrowly focus on the easiest pieces to agree on - because "we" have to use our leverage to get something we otherwise couldn't get on its own. I'm guessing there's some of that going on now. And once again, the Simpsons were right.


Lathum 10-07-2020 07:33 AM

100% that is going on, and I think that message was getting across until Trump announced he was taking his ball and going home.

Lathum 10-07-2020 07:33 AM

dola- I used to be in the camp that when this presidency was over just let this administration disappear into the wind. I have done a total 180 on that and want every one of them thrown in jail and ruined.

albionmoonlight 10-07-2020 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3305132)
100% that is going on, and I think that message was getting across until Trump announced he was taking his ball and going home.


I could be wrong, but I think

(1) Congressional GOP thinks that Biden will win.
(2) They want all COVID relief to come from Biden, so they can use it to start Tea Party 2. And if the delay in relief creates a second great depression they can use in 2022, so much the better.
(3) McConnell spent five minutes convincing Trump that no relief passing was in Trump's best interest and that "that's a great idea you had, sir, to cut off negotiations."
(4) Trump tweeted out that it was all his idea, which wasn't part of McConnell's plan.

sterlingice 10-07-2020 07:43 AM

I give that a 95% chance of being what happened

SI

Ben E Lou 10-07-2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3305134)
I could be wrong, but I think

(1) Congressional GOP thinks that Biden will win.
(2) They want all COVID relief to come from Biden, so they can use it to start Tea Party 2. And if the delay in relief creates a second great depression they can use in 2022, so much the better.
(3) McConnell spent five minutes convincing Trump that no relief passing was in Trump's best interest and that "that's a great idea you had, sir, to cut off negotiations."
(4) Trump tweeted out that it was all his idea, which wasn't part of McConnell's plan.

:withstupid:

Ksyrup 10-07-2020 07:53 AM

If #4 happened, then McConnell is pretty stupid because he's had 4 years to watch Trump take credit for anything he thinks is a good idea AND say things out loud he should just keep to himself.

JPhillips 10-07-2020 07:57 AM

I definitely think the problem is with the GOP senate, not the Dem House. There were reports that Pelosi and Mnuchin had an agreement yesterday, but then it all blew up. That would make Trump's tweet quoting Powell saying that there's no danger in doing too much make sense. It would also explain Trump pulling out pieces of the bill and claiming funding is already available.

The Senate isn't even in town until late October, so there's nothing they can do that will impact the election. Gien that, I think the plan is to prepare for a big Dem win and if that doesn't happen, pass something in November.

Lathum 10-07-2020 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3305134)
I could be wrong, but I think

(1) Congressional GOP thinks that Biden will win.
(2) They want all COVID relief to come from Biden, so they can use it to start Tea Party 2. And if the delay in relief creates a second great depression they can use in 2022, so much the better.
(3) McConnell spent five minutes convincing Trump that no relief passing was in Trump's best interest and that "that's a great idea you had, sir, to cut off negotiations."
(4) Trump tweeted out that it was all his idea, which wasn't part of McConnell's plan.


yeah, was having a similar discussion with a friend this morning after walking kids to school. I think the goal is burn down as much as possible to make it impossible for Biden to rebuild in time for 2022/2024.

sterlingice 10-07-2020 09:11 AM

Oh, yeah - Mitch has been working on this contingency plan for a couple of months. Once COVID wasn't "going away" and the economy is clearly going to get hammered even more next year, he already started planning on obstruction to set up 2022 for Congress and whatever monster comes out of the swamp for 2024 to take advantage of all Trump broke in the last 4 years.

SI

sterlingice 10-07-2020 09:18 AM

That said, Mitch seems too smart to not know how this was going to go down, right? Basically, he let Trump do what he's going to do so that he takes the fall rather than Mitch, right? Though I have to think that's some messy calculus right now as you have to know the odds of your Senate majority rises and falls with Trump.

SI

spleen1015 10-07-2020 09:26 AM

I've read a few articles over the last few days that have talked about Trump losing the groups of people that helped him get elected in 2016, ie women. His support from women is way down compared to 2016. So, lots of signs pointing to him losing.

I'm trying not to let my hopes get too high, but I think he's toast and it's not even going to be close.

PilotMan 10-07-2020 09:31 AM

Just in my little neck of the woods you've got crazy hardened trump supporters, but by and large, the volume of political support signs are way way down in northern Kentucky.

spleen1015 10-07-2020 09:36 AM

I live in a very Republican suburb of Indianapolis and I see a lot more Biden/Harris signs than Trump signs.

I just bought a house and I have counted 6 Biden/Harris signs and no Trump signs in the neighborhood. I think Trump supporters in this demographic are afraid to publically show it.

Another thing that has stood out to me is I never see Trump/Pence signs, just Trump signs.

NobodyHere 10-07-2020 10:51 AM

This quote is from the other thread but my reply belongs here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3305150)
Dr. Fauci just said we could top 400k COVID deaths this winter... yikes!


So what will happen is that we will have 300k dead and Trump will claim he personally saved 100k lives.

JPhillips 10-07-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3305156)
This quote is from the other thread but my reply belongs here.



So what will happen is that we will have 300k dead and Trump will claim he personally saved 100k lives.


He'll still leave on or before inauguration day.

ISiddiqui 10-07-2020 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3305156)
So what will happen is that we will have 300k dead and Trump will claim he personally saved 100k lives.


I laughed.

I wonder what happens with Dr. Fauci if Trump loses. Does he immediately go off on him?

spleen1015 10-07-2020 10:55 AM

I don't really pay attention to the projections any more. We have so many different ones, with a wide range.

JPhillips 10-07-2020 11:08 AM



Infection control theatre.

Ksyrup 10-07-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 3305147)
I've read a few articles over the last few days that have talked about Trump losing the groups of people that helped him get elected in 2016, ie women. His support from women is way down compared to 2016. So, lots of signs pointing to him losing.

I'm trying not to let my hopes get too high, but I think he's toast and it's not even going to be close.


And seniors have started to turn on him some too, at least according to some recent state polls.

Ksyrup 10-07-2020 11:14 AM

Given the circus-looking stage around it, the plexiglass looks like those rings that they set on fire before lions jump through them.

Ksyrup 10-07-2020 11:17 AM

Jets invite Stephon Gilmore to team coughing party. In unrelated news, Jets to start Joe Flacco this weekend.

spleen1015 10-07-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3305164)
Jets invite Stephon Gilmore to team coughing party. In unrelated news, Jets to start Joe Flacco this weekend.


This is sure to bring down Trump! ;)

NobodyHere 10-07-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3305163)
Given the circus-looking stage around it, the plexiglass looks like those rings that they set on fire before lions jump through them.


If the debates had vice presidential candidates jumping through rings of fire I would totally watch the debates.

Ksyrup 10-07-2020 11:35 AM

Ah damn!

To be fair, Joe Flacco could bring down anyone.

ISiddiqui 10-07-2020 11:35 AM

I thought I heard there was going to be plexiglass between the moderators and the candidates as well.

larrymcg421 10-07-2020 11:37 AM

I wonder when the GOP will be able to win back the suburbs. They may be lost for a generation. This is something hurting them in the House, as their gerrymandering plans relied on suburbs cancelling out the votes of big cities. This is how we have a Dem in GA-6 and a close race in GA-7.

ISiddiqui 10-07-2020 11:39 AM

Lincoln Project does it again!

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/s...631172608?s=20

Ksyrup 10-07-2020 11:48 AM

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