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If I'm remembering right, it was even better, like "No. Who else?" |
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I have always liked Nicotero's directing style, but he amped it up a few notches in this one. Incredibly solid premiere.
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Just watched tonight, great start. Even in her limited scenes in this one, Carol remains awesome. Morgan spotting her out right away was nice too.
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Someone explain Morgan's importance? So he is the guy from season 1 that saved Rick and also from a later season that had gone insane. But outside of reading the comic books how am I supposed to know anymore about him than that?
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Really, there's not much more to him in the graphic novels. |
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There really isn't. Though, like most of the characters, he's much more interesting and a better character on the show than in the comics. I still think that scene where he tries, but can't, kill his wife in the first episode is one of the best in the entire show. Top five for sure. |
OK. I just have just been reading here how it is going to come down to Rick vs. Morgan like he is the #2 most important guy on the show or something and I was wondering what I was missing.
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Interesting. We loved the ending and the intro of the rock quarry (holy moley!). However, because of the layoff between seasons, I had a difficult time remember who was what, and where we left off. Left my wife and I wondering why it took so long to get to the climax of the first episode. Also, I felt let down when I saw that "Better Call Saul" would be returning....in 2016. Not sure if it's just my own feeling, but the fact that the seasons are broken up into two (for Walking Dead) with a layoff in between creates a greater disconnect for me. |
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I don think you're reading it wrong; you're just assuming it came from the comics. I think Morgan was such a great character that we all figured (and hoped) he would return and be a key player in the show. I don't think the dichotomy of Rick versus Morgan actually showed up until the last couple episodes last season and the trailers for this season, where you see a lot more discord between Rick and Morgan's philosophies on things. But since it seems likely to happen, that subject now has significant weight. |
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Yeah, I guess the small amount of episodes got to me.
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That was a great episode.
Love Carol and Morgan and how different they are. Whats up with the JSS girl? |
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Man, what an awesome episode. So, so good.
Carol is fantastic. It's hard to imagine a more interesting and fascinating character for any character in TV than hers. Given the small, bit part she started with - the meek wife of an abusive husband - to where she's at now? Incredible. And the Melissa McBride just kills it. Ron needs to go. He's horrible and I don't know why he is wearing that jacket and stupid hat inside when it's not even cold out. He's the worst. |
Continuing the really solid start from last week. Very good episode, I love Carol.
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This doesn't counter what you're saying, but what stood out to me was that when she was talking with Carl about defending the place, she said something like, "there are too many blind spots, that's how we got in." The conversation moved on so quick, with no reaction from Carl, that I wondered if I heard it right. Of course, like a dummy, I didn't just rewind it to be sure. |
I heard the same thing CR. It was one of those things that slipped by, but I know I heard that right. Of course, stupid me, flagged it at the time, then dismissed it as a misstatement, like that would happen in a tv show.
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I loved the episode.
I am following CR's and PilotMans thought process here and it's the one thing that I pointed out to the family as we watch it. (My GF, and the Brother and Sister in Law) was that Carol made a point for Carl to stay back and watch Judy. He turns his back, the girl is gone and they didn't focus on Judith and the monitor like they did when Carol with in the kitchen. I am wondering, did the girl take off with Judith? |
She said, "that's how we..."
And never finished the sentence. It could be "that's how we got out so easy," referencing that time she and Carl left the walls and went out on their own last season. Or it could be "that's how we got in," meaning she's one of the Wolves and her "just survive somehow" means that she's willing to do anything to survive, including joining the Wolves and betraying Alexandria. She could be a mole... J'accuse betrayer!!! |
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I'll admit that the bit about "how we ..." blew threw my head without notice, but that's probably because I was pondering her use of the phrase about "just people" in the first place. |
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I assumed she was going to say "that's how we planed to get out." Meaning her and Ron. Carl cut her off because he did not want to hear her say she was leaving. |
Interesting how so many people think Carol is such a great character. I find most of it tiresome and the actress seems awkward in the physical scenes. Needs more practice. As much as they try, I don't buy the bad ass aura. I know they really want it to be an awesome broken battered woman to assassin transformation. Maybe it just appeals to a certain group. I don't totally hate the character, it just isn't smooth or believable.
I figured the JSS girl probably was with the wolves and performed a little lookout and intel. Somebody had found a bunch of pictures on one of the bodies. Who knows, we will see where it develops. |
Yeah, I think she and her boyfriend are both working with the wolves.
I thought it was a great episode, and loved Carol's badassery. |
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The pictures were found by Aaron, the guy who has been going out on the recruiting trips with Darryl. They were photos Aaron himself took. He lost them along with his pack in last year's season finale, at the stockyard where the Wolves set the zombie trap with the big rigs. |
Poor Glen. Hope those entrails were really the other guy that fell on him but still don't see how he gets away even if that was the case.
I would have been looking for a building with a roof that I could have climbed up on (and hid from sight). |
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Great episode. Was the pan out at the end revealing the wolves hideout? What the hell was Darryl planning on doing?
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re: hideout -- you must have spotted something I missed completely. re: Darryl -- I thought he was rushing back to Alexandria but that doesn't quite seem to have been it given how he rejoined relatively quickly. That whole part of the arc almost felt like something got lost in the editing or something. Was it merely to give us the false hope that he would be the cavalry for one imperiled sub-plot or the other? edit to add: Had somebody roll back their DVR footage, I now know what you saw (I think). |
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Ugh. My initial reaction to that idea is pretty damn negative. I guess we'll see how they do it if that's the case. |
My initial response was OMG as well as everyone else that I was watching with.
Then we rewound it and watched the scene again. We think it is Nicholas that is on top of him and he is in freak out mode. I theorized that he is surrounded to what is equal to a shark feeding frenzy and he will be able to escape, because they are focused on the entrails. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy. We will see...but we were still in shock after talking dead...even after Scott sent the message to the show. |
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Agree. If you want to do crap like that (which in my opinion takes away from the show) then at least have Glenn climb out from under the pile during the same episode. So you trick us cheaply for 30 minutes instead of a full week(s). I am of the opinion that this is the internet creating "he isn't dead" and much like the internet discussions during major character deaths on The Wire, Homeland, and Sons of Anarchy we just like to have all sorts of theories in the end Glenn is just dead. |
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The house or whatever it is with the red roof would at least explain how they all came across the RV and also gives Rick a place to go to avoid being eaten by the mob of zombies. Seems odd to have it in the overhead shot if it means nothing. |
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I'd agree if not for the Talking Dead stuff mentioned in Edward64's link (I'm not watching Talking Dead currently so I didn't see it myself) |
it definitely looked to me like it was a big fakeout.
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As much as I don't want Glen dead, that would be pretty weak if he wasn't.
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I finally watched the episode last night. It was fantastic. It was another episode that was tense from beginning to end. Really, really great.
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Yeah, he's gotta be dead.
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Glen is not dead. Nicolas was on top of him, Glen crawled under the trash bin, it's just too obivious.
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If he is alive, I'll be happy he's alive, but annoyed at the blatant manipulation of it all. I mean, it won't be enough for me to stop watching the show or anything, but an irritant.
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I just wanted a chance to type "obivious".
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We rewatched Glenn's scene last night. Zombies are pulling intestines out from what would be his upper chest. I'm going to say that people are right. That was the other guy's body on top of him.
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I agree that looked weird from the beginning. But getting from "there's a body being eaten on top of you" to "getting out alive" is going to take a pretty enormous leap. |
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In the first season, the group covered themselves with "leftovers" and pretended to walk/act like the zombies to get out of a situation. That's my guess how Glenn gets out. |
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