I see Sasha has become the TV version of the comic version of Andrea...

Carol is just badass. She just does what needs to be done. Hands down my favorite character, along with Michonne & Daryl.

I did find it funny that Adam? (the gay dude) told Daryl that "Rick isnt good at spotting good people from bad". Yeah pretty much the story of Rick.

Looking forward to the group kicking some ass at some point soon. Emphasis on soon as I dont want to sit thru 5 episodes of smalltown life.

I was wondering if the Zombies with the W is really an M. Isn't the lady Governor's last name Monroe?

Also, not feeling the same vibe many of you get with the Carol vs Kid scene. I thought it was lacking any real feeling of scary. Carol just lacks the tough creepy factor. Plus in real life, the kid would just go tell his Mom. Kid' are just like that.

Well, he might go tell & we might end up having some sort of squabble over it. But I thought it was still kind of cool to see Carol once again rise to the level of whats needed to handle a situation.

What the hell did the guy say to Glen right before he got eaten?

"Don't let go."

TD discussion afterwards got into a lot about whether that was literal & in the moment or if it was more symbolic, meaning don't let go of hope/yourself/the future.

I think he meant the guy who got impaled earlier in the episode. I couldn't figure it out either.

Oh. F'n duh me.

Turns out I misunderstood that whole spiel myself, once I found a recap that had the quotes. So I'd have been wrong even if I had been right.

details from people.com of all places

I liked this episode a lot, I like where this is heading for the finale!

The last three have been really good. Darryl out alone with ole dude. Four graves. Hopefully Carol can get Rick in normal Rick mode instead of creepy Rick. Carl about to get some action too. Good thing the spin off is on the horizon. Hoping the W's on the walkers are M's. Morgan is going to be needed. Maybe has a stash of weapons to fight whoever took out Noah's family.

The group is coming back to normal. Maggie will go off on Preacher. What's that about? He'll get left behind.

I'm not a comic book reader, so maybe this goes differently there. And going through what Morgan goes through can certainly change a man. But the character they have built for Morgan in the show doesn't strike me as the mysterious dead zombie forehead carving type.

Neither am I, but he seemed to be following the carvings Gareth's group or whoever left them in the trees. He wasn't in the best mind state when Rick last saw him either. He has the map, which was leading to D.C.

I'm also thinking Boss lady has Alzheimer's or something. The husband his coaching her. Take a look. She doesn't know what to think when the Rev show's up. Also, may explain why the need for the video interviews. Caught it when the foreman resigns.

it was a pretty interesting episode, although the very last scene ("I think he's beating his wife, so the only option we have is to kill him") was pretty dumb. There are, of course, all sorts of ways they could handle that situation without resorting to murder.

I found that scene ok because of Carol's past with an abusive husband, and her willingness to adapt and to be much more harsh given the way the world is now after the apocalypse. Basically, to me Carol is the most developed character on the show (maybe the only truly well-written character, though I'd allow arguments for Rick and Daryl), and I felt her statement fit her character well enough for it not to feel like a poorly written plot device to force confrontation at the end of the season.

I wonder if either Carol, or the kid now knowing where the guns are, will kill the dad and leave Rick with a moral dilema.

I feel fairly strongly that all of Rick's interactions with the wife that we've been shown will trump everything else and he's going to do it, and that will be a big part of the breakdown between Rick's people and the rest of the community that seems to be coming.

Carol doing it could work, depending on how its done, but I worry about it feeling too much like straight up revenge for her own husband and having it come across poorly/hokey. The kid doing it with a gun that Carol stole would be GLORIOUS and I am now actively rooting for that outcome :D

But overall I feel like they're foreshadowing Rick doing it *really* strongly and this hasn't exactly been a show that's thrown us many curveballs when it does things like that I don't think.

I shared this with a friend last night at work, so I figure I might as well throw it out here, too. As I note above, I am not a comic book reader, so I have no pre-supposed ideas feeding this.

My theory on how the next two episodes will go is that Gabriel's "admission" and Aiden's death, and eventually, a confrontation between Rick and Pete (not a fatal one) and the discovery of Carol stealing guns will lead to a real schism between Rick's group and the rest of Alexandria. Rick and company will be on the verge of initiating the takeover Rick suggested a couple episodes back.

Just when they are about to go at it (a fight I would not expect to go well for the Alexandrians), I think a third group, the group doing the "W" zombie carving and the ones who attacked Noah's hometown, will assault Alexandria. Somehow, the young girl will have a connection to them, although I doubt it will be willing. I think that group will be more people than Alexandria and Rick's group combined.

Rick's group will be the primary ones fighting this group from the walls of Alexandria, forcing the two groups to work together. And people will die, of course. Probably at least 2-3 of Rick's group, including a major character. And I presume Pete will die somehow in this fight.

And the last episode will end with either the conclusion of the battle or a cliffhanger set up within that battle.

That all is just a guess.

I'd say you're doing alright.

Not perfect, but alright.

Maybe. Sorta.

:)

Yeah, killing him is clearly the only sane outcome when he's your only doctor. Or, he could just move across town or something.

If anyone other than Carol had said it, I would agree. But given her history with domestic abuse and her character arc throughout the show, it makes perfect sense.

Still, killing the doctor because he's beating his wife does seem to be quite excessive. I mean, he's a doctor. There are very few of them left. Move her and the kids out of the house, don't let him near them, etc. Heck, doctor >>>>>> hairdresser/owl sculptress. So, kick her out!

How many people live in this town? 20, 50, 1000? Would be nice if they could spring for enough extras or provide these details.

When does the second Walking Dead series debut?

from moviepilot.com a few days ago

No commentary on last night's show? Obviously sets up the finale, but an interesting one, nonetheless.

I thought it was pretty intense.

I am down with your theory as to how this shakes out.

The Carl/Enid thing didn't do much for me.

I really enjoyed the Sasha/Michonne/Rosita scenes. Some interesting dynamics at play there.

Glenn was fantastic and Nicholas is a turd.

Rick is crazy intense and really not all that suitable for domestic living at the moment. Michonne was right to knock him out. He was a bit off the handle.

Very much looking forward to the finale.

Yeah, they showed the "W" stuff pretty prominently in this one, and then there was also the Daryl and Aaron scene in the woods. Something is definitely about to go down with that. No way they have been teasing that as a storyline for next season.

I agree, Michonne was correct to knock Rick out. I still tend to agree with his thinking about what it takes to live in this world, but he is just awful at delivering the message. No subtlety or nuance.

I actually liked the Enid and Carl scenes, but I didn't get the sense from my "theory" that she is involved with the mystery group I presume is out there. Apparently, she is just a free spirit with a damaged past, like Carl.

I suspect Rick will be thrown out of Alexandria (or at least voted out/announced exile by Deanna), and some of his old group will consider leaving with him, probably Sasha, maybe Daryl, and Carl, although Rick will try to talk Carl into staying and keeping Judith and living with Carol (would be my guess).

And then he will either actually be exiled and leave but then somehow play a role in the coming attack (Rick comes back to save the day, etc.) or he will be just about to be shoved out the door when the attack comes.

Regardless, it should be an exciting ending.

I'm confused. I assumed they were killing people and carving the W in their head's. Not carving up zombies. Right?

Also it's 90 minutes next week.

I am going to be in Jamaica starting Sunday, is there a way to watch episodes online? I doubt the resort will have AMC

I've watched them on Amazon for $1.99 an episode.

You would be surprised. I went to Jamaica like 10 years ago and couldn't even find the NCAA tournament on tv but last summer they basically had a cable package exactly like we have at home. Not saying you would want to have to carve out that particular time to watch but they might have AMC.

You're probably right, but fact is we don't really know.

You can stream live on the AMC website if you have a cable/sat account to login with.

agreed that it would be dumb to capture a walker, carved a W in its forehead and then set it free? Right? Even Herschel ain't that dumb.

My theory is that this is a scare tactic from this other theoretical group. Or a warning.

Obviously if they're normal, they're just killing zombies they run into. But clearly these aren't normal people doing this.

The girl who was tied to the tree had a W carved in her forehead? If so, she had just turned so it would seem to me that they are just doing it to humans.

Also, I thought Rick would have been a better fighter by now. Shane would have dropped that dude with one punch.

Good point.

Did anyone watch Talking Dead? The sneak peek for next week was awesome. Much better than they usually give out there.

My guess - and it's strictly a guess since I don't know if the carving is/isn't source canon - is that it's a way of illustrating their reach/power/impact to other human groups.

A sort of "you know all those W walkers? Yeah, those are us, and every single one is a person that we killed"

Its funny, I mentioned to my wife...how is it that Rick has trouble with average guys yet put an absolute beat down on Tyrese, a man I would expect to completely pulverize Rick?

:confused: Pete's like 6'4" and has a history of violence :confused:

Pete is also "just a doctor" who beats up on his wife & has stayed reasonably secure & domesticated in the apocalypse. It isn't clear, nor suggested, that he has had to engage in any physical altercations.

Rick is a former deputy, with at minimum basic hand to hand training & likely experience, who has killed lots of men by now & turned completely feral for a period of time.

I would have expected Rick to have assessed how best to take Pete down & destroy him by now. IDK...maybe its just me but I give the edge on somebody that is a fighter any day over somebody who is "just kinda tall".

Maybe Pete took karate lessons or had krav maga training or did MMA fighting on the side?

Also, let's face it fellas, guys named "Pete" tend be, like, 100x's more bad ass in general than pretty much anyone else. That's not me talking. That's science. So, I find it totally believable that, even if he didn't have any kind of former hand-to-hand training and was just a regular ole surgeon maned "Pete", that he'd be more than a handful for Crazy Rick "Throat Biter" Grimes.

I always thought people named Pete were big old dopes.

Well, you would be wrong. It's dairy farmers who are big old dopes. Dairy. Farmers.

My cat's named Pete. He's a total badass.

does he have groovy buttons?

I'm not denying that :)

Nope...Capoeira cannot be counted towards his street fighter rating.

I must admit this flew over my head. But the bar's not high there, yuk yuk ...

All righty then.