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BYU 14 09-02-2020 12:43 PM

And of course the con remains in full effect

A Kenosha man says the Trump-supporting 'owner' of a destroyed business in a photo op was actually his predecessor who sold the shop 8 years ago

Ksyrup 09-02-2020 12:52 PM

Just coincidentally on the eve of the election? Oh hell no. I'll get the flu vaccine as usual and look to my left and right to make sure both of those people are still standing 2 months later before I take this vaccine.

I've gotten used to not eating at restaurants. I can go another 6 months easy.

RainMaker 09-02-2020 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3299233)
I'm thinking of voting in person because of this.


I'm at a point where I don't care. States will count the votes and declare their winners. He's going to complain no matter how it goes down.

RainMaker 09-02-2020 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3299242)
Pelosi is an idiot. Why? I know it's "because she can," but why would you risk giving your opponents any ammo, anything to deflect from their incompetence and corruption? Such plain stupidity and entitlement all wrapped up in a convenient video clip.

And what the hell is a blowout anyway? I thought maybe she went to see a proctologist.


She's not an idiot, she just doesn't care. Dems should have moved on from her a long time ago but they're the Democrats and enjoy losing.

kingfc22 09-02-2020 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3299291)


Meh. This is the kind of shit Trump pulls all the time and gets away with. Technically the guy in the photo op owns the property so while he is not the store owner, he does own the property. So this just turns into another one of those “look at the fake news media again” moments.

JPhillips 09-02-2020 02:37 PM

It really puts Trumpers in a bind. Do they resist the Gates chip vaccine or do they take the Trump miracle cure?

AlexB 09-02-2020 02:46 PM

Hmmm... I can’t think of anyone that fits the description...

Refusing to wear face mask ‘could be sign of sociopath’ - study

NobodyHere 09-02-2020 02:50 PM

I guess covid restrictions aren't for Nancy Pelosi

Nancy Pelosi just handed Trump a campaign gift

Lathum 09-02-2020 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3299316)
I guess covid restrictions aren't for Nancy Pelosi

Nancy Pelosi just handed Trump a campaign gift


You honestly think this moves the needle one tiny bit?

Lathum 09-02-2020 03:17 PM

Talked to a good friend today who administers clinical drug trials, including covid vaccines. Says it looks like Feb as a realistic timeframe.

Ben E Lou 09-02-2020 03:20 PM

Pelosi is going with the Marion Berry "BITCH SET ME UP" defense.



Lathum 09-02-2020 03:20 PM

I heard today Hong Kong had 9 cases yesterday.

Ben E Lou 09-02-2020 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3299316)
I guess covid restrictions aren't for Nancy Pelosi

Nancy Pelosi just handed Trump a campaign gift

As posted elsewhere, she was set up!



Lathum 09-02-2020 03:22 PM

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Lathum 09-02-2020 03:23 PM

The whole salon thing is absurd, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking hypocrite. Pence visited a fucking hospital without a mask for christs sake.

Lathum 09-02-2020 03:30 PM

This is......something else


Trump told Sarah Sanders to 'take one for the team' after Kim Jong-un wink | US news | The Guardian

GrantDawg 09-02-2020 03:33 PM


GrantDawg 09-02-2020 03:35 PM

Yang has a point. The problem is that would be up to the states, and large red states are never going to go along with it. If only the blue states do, then the GOP advantage would go even higher.

Swaggs 09-02-2020 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3299279)
NC does have mail in.

It also, however, has pretty extensive no-excuse early voting.

I would suspect that enough people do early voting that the lack of ballots won't be an issue. The closeness of the race might be, though.


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Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3299285)
Arizona has mail in too


Yikes!

I was looking at a site that had all the states listed. In looking at the state sites, it looks like North Carolina's have to be postmarked by 5:00 PM on Election Day and received by mail by 5:00 PM on Nov. 6th (or by dropbox by close of polls on Election Day). Arizona has to be received by 7:00 PM on Election Day. It looks like Florida also has mail in and it is similarly due by close of voting (7:00 PM) on Election Day.

So, Florida and Arizona should be able to make calls on election night, whereas North Carolina may have some stragglers coming in for a few days. Florida may be really interesting this year, as usually the more heavily populated, liberal areas are among the last counted and can sometimes close the gap or overcome deficits late in the counting process. This year, if more democrats use mail-in and get them in early (as seems to have been emphasized more so than for the GOP to this point), they may be among the first voted and the early lead may favor Biden, but there may not be as much of late surge.

I feel like I need to go ahead and schedule to have November 4th off.

Kodos 09-02-2020 03:46 PM

I feel like watching election night results is going to be incredibly stressful, especially if it appears Trump is doing well due to Democrats voting by mail and getting counted later.

Lathum 09-02-2020 03:53 PM

I wonder if the scenario we are discussing would actually be welcomed by Trump, if we could see into the depths of his black heart.

He gets to fight the good fight, yell and scream the election was illegitimate, he is the rightful POTUS, etc...but eventually concede then spend the next 4 years sowing as much discord towards the fake president as he can.

BYU 14 09-02-2020 04:06 PM

i am sure he and co-host Ted Nugent already have their podcast ready to launch. Two great patriots.......outside of that pesky draft dodger thing.

Coffee Warlord 09-02-2020 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3299322)
Pelosi is going with the Marion Berry "BITCH SET ME UP" defense.


I loved her answer on why she wasn't wearing a mask, "I just had my hair washed. Do you wear a mask after washing your hair?"

Why yes. Yes I do. Why, you ask? 'Cause that's the rule right now. I just got a hair cut over at Sport Clips, they washed my hair, and I had to keep my mask on the whole time.

Lathum 09-02-2020 04:19 PM

I wonder if this backfires with the suburban housewife that will completely empathize with needing to have their hair done.

albionmoonlight 09-02-2020 04:20 PM

Also, if you do proportional, then do you do it by congressional district? That’s entirely insane until you eliminate gerrymandering.

AlexB 09-02-2020 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3299328)


I’m no Trump apologist, but this is a non-story.

It 100% qualifies as locker room banter (or whatever phrase Trump erroneously used in his grab’em defence), and is not what any focus should be on

AlexB 09-02-2020 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3299320)
You honestly think this moves the needle one tiny bit?


To some, yes.

Alan T 09-02-2020 04:53 PM

The majority of this country has shifted away from what is right or wrong or what follows their morales or values and now focus on was it our team or theirs.

It likely has a super minor affect at all, because most people seemingly only care these days if it was a R or a D that said it.

That is how we ended up with people politicizing a pandemic of all things instead of keeping people safe.


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JPhillips 09-02-2020 05:08 PM

This will soon be ancient history like the ice cream.

Trump leaves no air for any other political issues.

JPhillips 09-02-2020 05:10 PM

I don't think it's a big deal and Sanders knew what she was getting into,

but, it's work and that's pretty clearly harassment. It isn't something we should see as appropriate.

Ksyrup 09-02-2020 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3299343)
I wonder if this backfires with the suburban housewife that will completely empathize with needing to have their hair done.


It should also work with the MAGA folks who were crying back in May cuz they couldn't get their hair did.

JPhillips 09-02-2020 05:22 PM


Ksyrup 09-02-2020 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3299328)



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Jas_lov 09-02-2020 05:37 PM

The polling out today has me more at ease. If Trump did get a bump from the convention it appears to be gone.

Ksyrup 09-02-2020 05:50 PM

I will remain not at ease. The biggest bump he's going to get will be self-made. That, and I wouldn't be shocked to hear about some sort of "own the libs" understanding among supporters to lie if they happen to get polled.

RainMaker 09-02-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3299329)



lol at the dumbest system in existence


albionmoonlight 09-02-2020 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3299360)
and I wouldn't be shocked to hear about some sort of "own the libs" understanding among supporters to lie if they happen to get polled.


I am not worried about that. Any plan expansive enough to make a difference would not be able to be kept secret.

bhlloy 09-02-2020 06:37 PM

As I think it's been mentioned a couple of times, no Biden polling lead is going to give him the lead on election night, and that's really problematic. If you don't think there aren't going to be injunctions filed in every state the night of the election to stop the counting there and if that doesn't work, months worth of lawsuits to invalidate various results... it's going to be a shitshow of epic proportions, and I'm still not very confident it ends up with a Biden win (even winning the popular vote by 4-5%)

Ksyrup 09-02-2020 06:40 PM

It doesn't have to be a formal plan. If I was in the frame of mind of being a Trump supporter looking to stick it to the MSM and libs, that's an easy way to screw up the system. Make the polls just unreliable enough to frustrate/scare everyone. These polls are already small sample sizes to begin with.

Lathum 09-02-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexB (Post 3299350)
To some, yes.


Who and why?

bhlloy 09-02-2020 07:18 PM

FWIW I think the shy trumper, the person who holds their nose last minute and the Trumpers who are so distrusting of the mainstream media they won’t even speak to pollsters are real effects. I can see the odd person following your logic but honestly I think there’s as much chance a Biden voter does it just to seem to be guarding against complacency as there is a Trump voter to try to shit on the polls.

Ben E Lou 09-02-2020 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3299368)
Who and why?

Me.

I am a Pro-Life biblical evangelical (not the kind that the media calls evangelical despite the fact that the great majority of them couldn’t articulate and exegete a sliver of basic orthodoxy if their life depended on it,) living in a swing state strongly considering voting for Biden, and perhaps even a straight D ticket to punish the Republicans for bowing their heads to Trump. The *top* Dem in the country demanding an apology from a hair salon owner for setting her up makes it less likely that I’ll go straight D. It doesn’t move the needle for me on Biden, but it absolutely could change some of my downballot votes from D to L or R.

Ben E Lou 09-02-2020 07:31 PM

Dola: It makes it harder to hold my nose and vote for you when you just rolled around in dog poop.

Lathum 09-02-2020 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3299374)
Me.

I am a Pro-Life biblical evangelical (not the kind that the media calls evangelical despite the fact that the great majority of them couldn’t articulate and exegete a sliver of basic orthodoxy if their life depended on it,) living in a swing state strongly considering voting for Biden, and perhaps even a straight D ticket to punish the Republicans for bowing their heads to Trump. The *top* Dem in the country demanding an apology from a hair salon owner for setting her up makes it less likely that I’ll go straight D. It doesn’t move the needle for me on Biden, but it absolutely could change some of my downballot votes from D to L or R.


Why shouldn't she demand an apology?

Is what she did worse than Pence showing up to a hospital without a mask, or Trump holding a rally in Tulsa, or this administration, enabled by these downballot republicans, resisting masks for months when it could have made a real difference?

Ben E Lou 09-02-2020 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3299376)
Why shouldn't she demand an apology?

She should take the high road. “I shouldn’t have done that, and I’m sorry.” Period. End of discussion.

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Is what she did worse than Pence showing up to a hospital without a mask, or Trump holding a rally in Tulsa, or this administration, enabled by these downballot republicans, resisting masks for months when it could have made a real difference?
No. But that’s immaterial. See dog poop analogy.

Radii 09-02-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3299377)
She should take the high road. “I shouldn’t have done that, and I’m sorry.” Period. End of discussion.


Completely agree.

Lathum 09-02-2020 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3299377)

No. But that’s immaterial. See dog poop analogy.


Not really when the alternative is covered in dog poop already.

Castlerock 09-02-2020 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3299330)
Yang has a point. The problem is that would be up to the states, and large red states are never going to go along with it. If only the blue states do, then the GOP advantage would go even higher.


The electoral college can be EFFECTIVELY abolished by the National Popular Vote interstate compact.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/...-2020-2-13.pdf

A very good explanation is here: The Sneaky Plan to Subvert the Electoral College for the Next Election - YouTube

Ben E Lou 09-02-2020 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3299375)
Dola: It makes it harder to hold my nose and vote for you when you just rolled around in dog poop.

Expanding on this, I know there have been multiple times in this forum where Trump has done something hideous and folks have commented that this could cause some Trump nose-holders to not vote, go third party, or go Dems. Perhaps with the left lean of this forum, it’s hard for some of y’all to imagine that there are Biden/Dem nose-holders. (“I get how someone would have to hold their nose to vote for a Republican, but no one has to hold their nose to vote for MY side!”)

Lathum 09-02-2020 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3299384)
Expanding on this, I know there have been multiple times in this forum where Trump has done something hideous and folks have commented that this could cause some Trump nose-holders to not vote, go third party, or go Dems. Perhaps with the left lean of this forum, it’s hard for some of y’all to imagine that there are Biden/Dem nose-holders. (“I get how someone would have to hold their nose to vote for a Republican, but no one has to hold their nose to vote for MY side!”)


Very fair.


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