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um, Senator McCain, who do you think would win in a fight, Randy Couture or Brock Lesnar and Ill take your answer sitting down...thanks. Go Rebels!
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They can call it whatever they want, but there's still a moderator, and I'm sure the questions are still pre-screened by the candidates. |
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ABC News: Obama Backs Away From McCain's Debate Challenge Then, at his convention, he calls out McCain for a debate after rejecting McCain's attempt at a debate (which he earlier agreed with): Quote:
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There has to be some sort of moderator even in a town hall. Who calls on questioners? Who enforces time limits? Who gives an introduction? Brokaw may do more than that, I don't know, but you can't have a debate without some sort of moderation. |
Was just conversing with a coworker who brought up a great point - she said she was watching an interview with Luke Russert last week and they were talking about polling numbers, and he pointed out that traditional polling #'s (which are tied to landlines) don't accurately reflect the electorate because of the large % of the population under 30 who no longer have a landline at all, and the fact that a majority of that group are left-leaning. My coworker then said that Luke said that they did a seperate survey of cellphone users and Obama had like a 20pt lead on McCain.
Now I'm not suggesting that that 20pt lead is accurate (it seems way too huge to me), but simply raising the point and guessing that the truth lies somewhere in the middle, that perhaps Obama's lead is somewhat more secure than the raw polls give him credit for. |
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I haven't seen that. One of the big polling outfits, I think Gallup, studied this and found a less than three point difference in a pure cell phone sample. They also stated that accounting for cell phone users was a part of their overall methodology and hence their polling numbers. |
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fair enough - like i said - it wasn't an interview I saw or anything - it was total hearsay on my part to post that. just something i wondered if people had taken into account. |
C'mon Arles, that's strategy. Youve gotta be able to look at things neutrally sometime right?
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Why exactly do you think Palin's on the ticket? :D |
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Yeah, that would be like someone accusing a triple-amputee Bronze and Silver Star Vietnam Vet of a lack of patriotism in campaign ads featuring images of the Vet superimposed with images of Osama bin Laden & Saddam Hussein. Crazy talk! |
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So you're upset that the State is defending the govenor in a legal matter? And you want higher taxes?? (snicker). States outsource legal maters all the time, when there's a conflict, or if its otherwise more efficient. Otherwise she'd be defended by the Attorney General's Office (which would also use State money) |
For the love of God Obama wasn't calling for any formal debate. He was talking about a discussion or argument.
As for Palin's lawyer, that's not a big deal. A governor has to be able to have legal counsel and having a limited budget from the state is reasonable. The fact that he's both the governor's attorney and Palin's family attorney could be a bit of a conflict, however. |
Hey i didn't say i was upset - just hadn't heard that yet and so was posting it over here. Besides, Alaska has plenty of $$ - not worried about that.
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you said it. Arles, theyre having a debate and if you trust the rules as stated than it's closer to what you desire than youre willing to admit so you can staunchly stand in your corner. I however will continue to look at things as fairly as possible. As an example, I have no problam with a government attorney defending the governor on Alaskan tax dollars, until I hear otherwise that's what that attorney is supposed to do. Wow, Arles, can you believe it? Ability to see things from a neutral standpoint. When you stop the spin perhaps you'll be able to too. |
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Who here (including myself) looks things at neutrally? We are all bias. Politics and no bias do not mix. Never have, never will. |
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Well Ill refer you back to my DT supported list of things I want and I think most everyone can agree that that is a pretty good starting bloc. |
New state polls are out and they look good for Obama:
Iowa: Obama 55 McCain 40 Minnesota: Obama 53 McCain 41 Ohio: Obama 47 McCain 45 |
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I'm biased, most in this thread are biased. I could puff smoke up your butt to show how impartial I am and state how I think Obama was correct in situation Y or the press was unfair to him in situation Z (there are many examples of both), but I choose not to insult everyone's intelligence who's reading. Quote:
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by no means do I mean to denegrade anyone else's view or attempt to make anyone think like me unless I can convince someone that the facts are overwhelming and they change their opinion of their own volition. Ive stated clearly and concisely to you that things should be allowed to run their course, that the questions from both sides are legitimate, that the lying shouldnt be allowed on either side, that family issues should remain private if thats what the family wants, etc. So at what point is that a biased view and Im sure you want those things too, right? I will call a spade a spade and my view is my own but I do think when I have an opinion, that it is my opinion, until it's changed by more info to justify a flip or a flop. Edit to add: Now if I can change your opinion with info. or through debate than great but at least I will attempt to base it on truthyness and honesty in stuff i post.
In regards to puffing smoke and being able to show when person A is right about X and person B wrong about X and then be vice versa is an ok thing to be. I do not think anyone in this thread HAS TO follow the straight line in support of or against their player...if anything that's the problem with this country. And the commentary about the attorney is vanilla as it can be, I wasnt trying to be gracious but continue to participate in this thread and that current issue. I have no idea the rules that a government attorney is supposed to follow so as far as I know theyre playing by them. Until someone tells me or shows me that something isnt above board why shouldnt it go through and she be able to use him/her? Hit the reset button, one time and re-read what I said without a slant, JimGA is able to do this IMO. It's not a biased jab or anything....Im not a lawyer nor work for the government. can I still buy your next game? |
I don't think those inside the Republican Party are too happy about the Palin pick even though they say so on the air. Mike Murphy and Peggy Noonan are caught discussing Palin off air:
YouTube - Noonan and Murphy on Palin Noonan said this today in her WSJ article today: "She is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy. She could become a transformative political presence. So they are going to have to kill her, and kill her quick." And then in the clip she says "It's over." Are conservatives really as happy with Palin as they claim to be? |
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Looks like the last part of Obama's acceptance speech.... Warhammer, do you do speech writing? |
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Good or bad, here comes your next Palin/Obama comparison.
Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview |
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I dont think her quoted statement is good or bad although I'd like to see religion kept out of politics. Granted, I didnt watch the video but she should stand by her beliefs so I have no problem with the quote. Better to know someone than not when having to cast a ballot for or against. /graciousness |
Well now it seems a couple of the talking heads got caught on an open mike and were expressing their true (because the cameras were off) feelings on the Palin selection:
Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mic: 'It's over' - Yahoo! News Arles, Im not painting it one way or the other. |
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That is nothing worse than the emails I get forwarded by my mother-in-law and what alot of the ultra-religious-right pretty much believe. There are extremest of all kinds, and I try to stay away from all of them (both the left and the right) when I can. |
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That Ohio poll is far from good for Obama. He got a 6-8 point boost in nationwide polls overall, but only a 2 point boost in Ohio. We'll have to wait to see what it shows after the RNC convention to see if it evens out (Ohio was a dead heat before the conventions). |
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I am shocked that an underaged teenager is drinking. Shocked |
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yeah, no biggie to me....now if she were preggo at the time it'd be completely different :)
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No biggie? Being 16 it is conceivable that she might have a drivers license and car.
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I can say that both you and flasch are FAR from being impartial, but at least arles admits it. I would like to state that I am only partial to logic. My journey on this election. I wanted Rudy for Republican and President I wanted Obama for Democrat over Hillary I wanted Obama for the president I heard Obama having to think on his feet (and I realized he sounds just like George Bush) Great Speaker unlike George, but sounds even worse then George if you catch him unprepared on a topic. I saw Obama go back on some key points that made me think he wasn't the "agent of change he claimed to be" (turning down campaign reform e.g. public funds) (turning down the town hall style of debates) I decided to go with McCain McCain is going to pick Joe Liberman ( I'm really excited that he is crossing party lines and picking his choice) They announce Palin I read about Palin's history and stances and hear how McCain really wanted Liberman but they talked him out of it. I throw up on myself I'm back to Obama - he would really have to screw up for me to change at this point. If he does get that bad, I would just throw in the towel and go back vote independent. |
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If people want to argue that it is not a good idea to have a VP in office that believes in ultra-conservative right wing religious views, then I'll 100% agree with them. If you're wanting to talk about pictures of underaged drinking, I can point you to facebook or myspace where you can find all kinds of example of this I am sure. |
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To my knowledge none of those kid's parent is potentially one heartbeat away from being president of the United States of America. If she can not keep her house in order, how can she potentially run a country. |
Real Clear Politics just released snippets of tonight's speech by Palin:
On her experience as a public servant: "I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town. I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better. When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too. Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities." On why she is going to Washington, D.C.: "I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone. But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country." On energy policies that the McCain-Palin administration will implement: "Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already. But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all. Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines...build more nuclear plants...create jobs with clean coal...and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources. We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers." On John McCain: "Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election. In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change. |
Is it just me or does the girl in those pictures look nothing like Bristol Palin?
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I have read that and that's why I removed the other photos, according to the site I got the photo's from these two photos are indeed her. Not 100% sure though. |
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