That screenshot is from today's ruling! They basically argued for and against originalism in the same ruling. It's just gibberish being put out.

Guys like Scalia were pretty big hacks but at least put a modicum of effort to hide their hypocrisy.

I just hope that they’ll stop the farce about precedence and starry dysisus (sic) in front of the senate. We know that’s just a sore and a hope they answer the questions as blandly as possible while nodding at precedence all the while knowing the days of precedence are over. They are getting on the court to make the change regardless of precedence so just say it.

Hypocrisy’s everywhere I’m afraid


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Roe v Wade is gone.

And Thomas, in his concurrence, says the court should review Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. They're coming after contraception, gay marriage, and criminalizing same-sex relationships.

The party of individual freedom!

The 5(+1) person majority...

Nader - Roberts, Alito
Stein - Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett

Surprised he didn't include Loving.


RGB's hubris had a hand in Barrett.

Pence, and I'm sure many others, are already calling for a nationwide ban. So much for sending it back to the states.

Give it time.

The hypocrisy never ends.

The only freedom they care about is having a gun.

Where in the constitution is abortion protected? It's a 10th amendement issue afaic.

Whereas we do have the 2nd amendment addressing gun rights.

Alito flat out wrote in his opinion that there is no fundamental right to privacy. For any reason or purpose

Lol, I can imagine they would just have to add, “present company excluded” to the opinion to get Thomas’ signature.

My issue as I wrote on the last page is the abject hypocrisy of sitting in front of the Senate and saying one thing all the damn while knowing you'd do the other. Hypocrisy is a scourge. It's a sin hidden in an ends justified the means manner and should be frowned upon. Unfortunately we live in a world where even evangelicals are willing to wink and nod at some sins while upholding as paramount others. Show me the totem pole in the Bible please as to which ones matter and which ones don't or at least a ranking system. That would be helpful to observors.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Our country is embarrassing at this point.

Republicans: The party that hates women and loves dead kids.

This, 4 of those justices in one way or another stated they considered Roe settled law, only to flip. We expect politicians to lie, embellish and back track. Jurists on the highest court in the land should be bound on their word and integrity should be foremost.

Instead, we have multiple liars and one whose wife quite literally tried to assist in the destruction of democracy.

Where does it say corporations are people? Where does it say private schools are obligated to our tax dollars?

Heck, if you want to stick with the 2nd Amendment, where does it say people have a right to own guns outside the militia?

Manchin ‘alarmed’ by Kavanaugh, Gorsuch’s votes on Roe | The Hill


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I probably shouldn't laugh because of the decision he is talking about but this guy here. Shocked, shocked I tell you.

Dems need to ride this decision and message the hell out of it through these midterms and EVERY single election hereafter.

Will they, no.

Manchin can commiserate with Susan Collins on how disappointed they are of people who have said one thing and done another.

The worst part is sitting up there and saying everything they said during confirmation hearings, and then signing on to an opinion that states "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start." I know there's no consequences so it doesn't matter, but I did expect some attempt to explain the decision in a way that wasn't 180 degrees different than what each of these people has expressed under oath.

I am very happy to be leaving this country in 2 weeks. Sad that I feel this way, and I’m sure many will say good riddance.

It's getting harder to believe that this country can recover from the downward slope that it is on.

It can't.

The bigger picture for me is where we're going. Once we no longer agree upon a core set of fundamental values shared among the residents of all the "united" states, we are no longer a country. Eventually enough significant, fundamental issues are going to be left to the states - and in an attempt to enforce their own laws, states will criminalize acts of non-residents and others - where we will essentially need to issue passports to move from state to state. It's untenable.

I share this sadness. I immigrated here from England as a young boy in 1968. This country has given me an amazing life, enabled me to see so many amazing things, meet so many amazing people and affect the lives of so many young men in a positive way through coaching.

I proudly served this country in the Army, raised a family and supported our leaders, whether I agreed with them politically or not. I am literally the definition of the American dream, yet I no longer recognize the country that gave me so much and it breaks me, both mentally and emotionally.

We started talking about off shore retirement a couple of years ago, with the main focus being to make our retirement dollar go further. Now, a large part of this conversation centers around just not wanting to be in this country anymore because the division, anger and feeling that there is no place for me politically anymore is almost overwhelming at times.

I think the majority of people in this country share similar feelings/beliefs as me, yet they get drowned out by the extremes. Quite frankly, I feel the portion of this country making the most noise is entitled, ungrateful for what this country has given them and out of touch with reality, in terms of how fucking lucky they are. I don't know what kind of wake up call we need as a whole, but there will be a point when even that won't matter.

Also where in the constitution does it state the government can impose loyalty pledges to foreign countries?

Take me with you. I don't take up much room.

Other than it being Wales not England, and a few decades later we share very similar experiences. This was my dream country to immigrate to my whole life, now I doubt I'm even going to file for the permit that would allow me to reenter I'm so disillusioned with the whole mess.

A great first step to recovery would be forcing Texas out of the Union. Fuck them.

I don't know that it will matter. You already see young people saying "I voted and this still happened. Why bother?" Then you deal with the large number of Americans are not politically engaged at all. The mostly won't feel the affects of over-turning Roe. They feel daily the cost of gas and the price of groceries. That, they are going to make someone pay for, and the Democrats are in control.

If I were prone to conspiracy, I would probably look at how the gas companies along with other commodity providers almost seem to be purposely shorting goods to force higher prices. That along with the massive amounts of investor dollars forcing home prices and rents to go through the roof at the same tme, it almost seems a concerted effort to make sure Democrats have no chance.

You know, I wonder of the SCOTUS decision would have been released at this point in time, if the J6 hearings were not going on and looking so bad for so many.

It would not surprise me in the least if behind the scenes maneuvering influenced this to give Americans something new to focus on.

4 of the 9 justices were appointed by a President who received fewer votes. They were also confirmed by a party in the Senate that received fewer votes.

The idea you can vote and get what you want is kind of silly when land matters far more than people in our Constitution.

Lots of finger pointing about the "failure" to codify Roe. It's ridiculous to think that this same court wouldn't have overturned a Federal law that codified abortion rights.

And lots of magical thinking that codifying Roe would be the end. The GOP would just nuke it the next time they are in power. There's no procedural trick to win this fight.

Now, that being said, Dems better have a more robust plan than singing God Bless America on the steps. That was embarrassing.

It's about abortion. That's why they want to make it harder to get contraceptives that reduce the number of abortions in this country.

BREAKING: Clarence Thomas just filed a concurring opinion to Dobbs calling for the court to consider overturning the right to contraception, same-sex marriage, and privacy in the bedroom.

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) June 24, 2022

Dark day today. Dark fucking day.

Even with the leak, Congressional Dems seem . . . surprised? by this.

If they weren't the entity standing between us and undemocratic white nationalist theocracy, it would almost be impressive to watch their incompetence.

Instead, we have to depend on them somehow saving us blind-squirrel-finding-a-nut style.

Betcha reps will celebrate by making a baby they don't want and then...oh...

There should be a concerted effort to make the name Susan Collins synonymous with gullibility.

"Wow, you actually fell for the Nigerian prince scam? You're a real Susan Collins."

you do know this is all an act don't you? Or did you Susan Collins that response?

Susan Collins reflects her voters--conservatives who want to appear moderate. There's a reason she's won reelection eleventy-billion times.

Let me out before the border closes, please! I'm trying to change things from the inside, and I genuinely feel we can get there eventually, but it may take too long. Today is depressing as all hell.

So it'll be as little as 6 months between "the individual states should decide abortion rights" and a red wave in November after which these same people will be falling over themselves to file the national abortion ban legislation.

And the kicker will be when they don't have 60 votes in the Senate so they nuke the filibuster to do it.

Not until 2025. Biden would veto, and the Constitution requires 2/3 votes to overturn a Presidential Veto. DeSantis or Trump will enact Gilead.

It will be fascinating to see all the christian conservatives rejoicing in today's decision saying, a few years down the line, how they don't want to raise taxes to pay for the cost of welfare due to the increase in the number of poor kids born due to less access to contraception.

This is like removing all toothbrushes and toothpaste from your house and then bitching about the dentist bill two years later. All actions have consequences (many not fully realized at the time).

Your country is so fucked up.

But seriously, would it not make a lot more sense to just split into three countries at this point? You have the northeast/midwest, so say Minnesota and Iowa as a western border, a southern border of Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, and West Virginia and then Canada and the Atlantic as the north and east borders.

Then you have the west, which is Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Utah.

And basically that whole middle area and southeast can be as conservative as they want.

It's not perfect as far as red states - blue states but it's close and gives each of the three countries some defined structure.

The logistics and impact of any state or states breaking away is such that it's not remotely feasible.

Freakanomics suggested that abortion becoming legal correlated to crime reduction. How can we sell this as Republicans being soft on crime?

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The battle now isn't really north vs south or even blue states vs red states. It's urban vs rural.

In your scenario, places like Miami, Austin, Atlanta, etc certainly wouldn't want to be part of those new countries.

People in those places can move though. I think whatever you choose to label it I can’t see the union lasting another 10 years. It makes very little sense for California or New York to federally subsidize states that basically live under a different rule of law, and if it does go the other way by some miracle in that time Texas and a number of other southern states would secede in a heartbeat.

Yeah, the states with the most votes for Trump, CA, TX, and FL are also the states with the most votes for Biden.

The thing is, a lot of right-wingers want to live in blue states because they are nicer states with more wealth. They might like being right-wing, but they sure as fuck don't want to live in one of those states like Alabama.

The other thing is that a huge part of being on the right is control over others. If you live in a country of all like minded people, who do you control?

Your average Republican doesn't want abortion to be illegal for them, just other people. The long line of prominent politicians who have paid for abortions for their mistresses or family members tells the story. This system is preferable to them where they can still just travel out of state to get an abortion if they want, but the poor folks who don't have that luxury can't.

I guess we all need to move ourselves to these low population states to tip the scales.

Yeah, my goal of leaving Texas in 5 years seems completely inadequate. I'm practically surrounded by idiots with III percenter stickers here.

This thread is exactly what I was talking about.

Next up: this illegitmate, stolen court will dismantle the federal regulatory apparatus on Monday.

This will push each state to have to implement its own wildly different environmental and regulatory regimes.

They're going to literally destroy the country. /1

— David Atkins (@DavidOAtkins) June 24, 2022

Me, too

SI

One weird aspect of the ruling is how it will impact IVF treatment. A lot of those laws are incredibly broad and would make that illegal too. Same for embryo freezing. Weird times.

Yeah, between gutting any gun regulations, ending Roe v Wade (and jumping down the road to end the right to privacy), and then dismantling the administrative state in the next few days - it's been a productive week for the wealthy looking to divide the country and take control through economic force due to a lack of alternative

SI

Nah. There are a lot of very upset people right now, but you have to have a coherent and practical plan for how to do it differently if you want to go that route. I think we'll continue dying a slow death for a long time.


Timing is decided way in advance for the release of rulings. 40% of Americans in the poll I found weren't even aware of the hearings. 60% aren't watching them, and the numbers are worse among non-Democrats of course who generally are the ones in need of convincing.

It is really telling that Thomas left Loving off his list of cases that should be re-examined despite it having the same legal reasoning to be overturned as the others.

It’s because they are all self serving, power craven assholes. The SCOTUS is no longer an independent branch.

Note that the reps are whining that Biden wants to repeal the gas tax as a midterm election stunt.
This means that they are lobbying their billionaire oil baron friends to raise the gas prices as a midterm election stunt.

The more you know...

Boy, the GOP is sure wishing for a bunch of violent protests. Almost willing it to happen. And when it doesn't, they'll just blow one or two incidents out of proportion to fit the narrative.

I can see this being pivotal in the 2022 and also 2024.

Looking forward to the inevitable polls on how this will or not impact votes (especially the women & independent vote). I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk for the Dems though.

Facebook is awesome today

Glad I decided to not post anything political in there for the last few years

I can sit back and watch this shit show for entertainment purposes


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I am going to a graduation party today for the part of the family that is all pro Trumpers. This may be tough. It is my wifes cousins family, and her husbands family, so I only know them in passing. Going to be hard to keep my mouth shut when this inevitably comes up.

Already are. mtg said the oac was inciting an insurrection yesterday.

I largely stay out of the political fray on FB too, with rare exceptions, and one bit of hilarious irony I came across was this from a former co-worker.


Now the irony of this, is that this guy is a pro-Trump gay man, who is married to his partner. Can't wait to see the if the celebration is at this level when the SCOTUS comes after gay marriage next, it's just baffling people can't see the big picture.

John Cornyn out there openly advocating for Brown vs Board of Education to be overturned.

I don’t doubt it but I can’t find any reliable source for this?

He wasn't advocating for it to be overturned, he tried to make a very poorly worded point that Brown and Plessy v Ferguson reversed precedent. And he tweeted it at Obama. As in, hey the only reason you're free is because precedent was reversed so you can't bitch about this.

Now do Plessy vs Ferguson/Brown vs Board of Education. https://t.co/hrUYCcIq8Y

— Senator John Cornyn (@JohnCornyn) June 25, 2022

I love how reversing precedent to expand human rights is equal to reversing precedent to deny human rights.

It is a really dumb argument but Cornyn is one of the dumbest Senators in the country.

Straw men of the forums, unite!

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First of all, the situations aren't even remotely the same - in order to equate them, you would have to believe that the right to segregate whites and blacks is "the most intensely personal decision someone can make" and that segregation is an "essential freedom of millions of Americans." That the direct comparison he made.

And given the GOP's open embrace of racists, I don't really think he/they deserve the benefit of the doubt. At best (worst?), it's exactly what you said, which I would read as a veiled threat that African Americans really shouldn't be free. I mean, the court's consistent stance is to take us back to the 18th/19th centuries, right?

Ginni Thomas Asked Anita Hill to Apologize to Clarence Thomas

This is not something a mentally stable person would do.

You can tell Clarence is insufferable based on the fact that crazy fat pig is the best he could do.

Wow. Really? Really??

I LOLed

JFC

Miller: President Trump… I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday pic.twitter.com/RqxmbT8jx5

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 26, 2022

Par for the course. Potty mouth.

Keep clutching those pearls...

Drinking again or taking some edibles?

actually neither. I just think it's silly to get all up in arms about some mild language on an internet message board full of dudes.

You wouldn't last 3 minutes in Jersey.

I'll last 3 min in NJ. Lived in NY for 6 months for a project.

Not getting up in arms at all. Sure it's mild all things considered. But really disrespectful in calling her names like that.

Tell you what. Tell your wife how a woman was described here, you are supportive of it, and let me know what she thinks.

Is that before or after she has dinner ready and gets him his pipe and slippers?

NY and Jersey are very different, and I guarantee my wife couldn't care less. She's a Jersey girl and realizes a spade is a spade..

Are you referring to the Hot or Not threads, or the Hot Child Molestor threads?

Go ahead and ask her anyway. I'd like to know what she says (and I'm being honest about this).

My wife is out of town and I'll share her response when she gets back on Tue.

For HoN, see Celebrity Hot or Not - should HoN Continue? - Front Office Football Central

For Child Molester thread, are you making making a moral equivalence point? Go ahead an elaborate so I understand your point before I respond.

From what I've read in his previous posts, odds are its the other way around. But to be honest, nothing wrong about that just as long as its returned in kind.

Accurate. You’re just gonna have to trust me on this one. Not to mention my original point was a bunch of dudes on a message board. Not their wives.

Trust you? Nah. Just ask her and let me know what she says.

About just a bunch of dudes ... its more like incel talk to me.

Ok. Well this is fun and all but I’m about done threadjacking.

Fair enough, we all do it some

Yes, lets show ample respect to the person who helped fund a terrorist attack on our nation's capital and made numerous efforts to help overthrow the government. The lady talking about arresting political opponents and shipping them off to GITMO.

Good lord, her husband used to discuss rape and bestiality porn with subordinates at the office. I'm guessing she has heard much worse at home. Heck, being a pig probably made her more attractive to Clarence.

you are talking about republicans here...