So you think it's cool and does not discourage voting when 600,000 have like 2 polling places because the GOP state legislatures shutter all the polling places? I'm sure in you took the rural half of GA and told them they could all vote in 1 place and may have to drive hours (when they do not get off work) and wait in 6 hour lines, you would see a massive decrease.

Closing down polling places is suppression. Closing down polling places and then removing mailboxes and shuttering post office infrastructure in August down 10 points is the definition of suppression. They even told you it was in interviews and articles.

The guy in Washington has suggested it may take years for this particular election, since ballots are destined to be stolen and all.

Police: 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite Floyd rioting - StarTribune.com

Just wanted to be clear how it started. Protests were peaceful there until this dude showed up and reached his goal.

Yeah sorry I'm not upset with this scenario. It's one day every 2 or 4 years. You could skip the practices, pick up fast food, and stand in line. No problem if you don't want to but it's not being suppressed.

And my question is why are the people getting their ass kicked in life necessarily a net gain for Democrats?

He burned down both post offices? Wow! Wonder if a white supremacist caused the gas stations in St. Louis to burn down and the off duty cop to be shot also.

Goes back to the fact that you and I can somehow control ourselves and not commit crimes but the people who looted and burned down post offices just couldn't stop themselves since a white supremacist broke out some windows.

JPhillips said it takes people multiple days to vote. Not counting the votes just the act of voting.

Purposely making it more difficult to vote is suppression even if it's still possible to vote. I don't know how you don't see it that way, but it's called suppression not prevention. Just go vote anyway when you're working multiple jobs and still not making ends meet is easy for some to say but ignores the real problem. It's basically a variation of the bootstraps bullshit.

We don't really know who it's a net gain for honestly, but we have one party that encourages people to vote and one party that wants less people to vote. You may not see it as a big deal, but if your platform depends on less people voting then your platform sucks.

Is it not suppression when the two party system doesnt allow other parties in the presidential debates? Or is that just the way things are? Not a fan of the GOP, would love to have nationwide mail in or even electronic voting. But also dont feel like this or Big bad Russia is why the Democrats are losing presidential elections. Obama was able to win in landslides... maybe it's the shitty candidates?

The bootstraps arguement is about someones lifetime. This is an event that happens once every 4 years.

JFC, do you not read?

Many, maybe most, I don't know the exact number, states require a separate registration that must be done weeks before the election. That, by definition, means voting requires work on multiple days.

Unlike some European countries where everyone is automatically registered and sent a voting card when you reach the legal age.

You not caring about voter suppression doesn't mean it isn't happening. I'm happy to concede the point that you don't care.

And why must something that is so simple for me and probably for you have to definitely be so foreboding to someone else? Maybe as I have said they just dont give a shit about voting? Not a bad person but dont think Trump or Biden effects their lives at all. It is not hard to register to vote to claim it is for minorities is subtle racism IMO. I can do it but you are less than me so it must be a huge chore for you.

No way Trump loses. Biden is all about what could be and Trump is about what is.

This is ridiculous. Jimmy Carter? Oh my.

Not everyone has time in their day to post 2000 times in the Trump thread I agree but they probably have time to fill out a voter registration card. How condescending are you? People lower than you are just incapable of putting together a day to register and a day to vote? Subtle racism on your part?

And lets throw out Blpow job guy. Thee goes your Epstein arguement.

MyPillow CEO Lindell Says White House Asked Him To Look For ‘Cures’ For Covid-19

Somehow this is not a parody headline.


And just for kicks:

Probably because you don't live in an area where it requires 5 hours in line to vote. Or part of a demographic being purged from the voting rolls.

Do you really think voter suppression is not a thing? Republicans go on the record saying it is part of their strategy to winning. But maybe you know more than them.

No, complete ignorance on yours, sadly.

I'm stuck on the 2 day thing honestly. So I register in let's say August or September and this is a long drawn out multi hour process? No some people just dont care or want to vote. They arent Democrats dying to vote. Where are the 5 hour lines specifically because I will offer some solutions if you give me a city.

How long did it take you to register to vote? How long does it take you to vote?

Ignorance is claiming registering to vote is this big chore that people really want to do but just cant do. I saw 60 Mizzou football players did it in one day...

Missouri football players register to vote after leading march

That must mean John Lewis was a racist. Same for Obama, too. It's all about race because that's the easiest way to target Dem voters. What other group can you define that's 90% likely to vote Dem? And it just so happens that decades of housing policy has also made it pretty easy to find almost all-black neighborhoods and voting precincts. You can't target individual voters spaced around the state, but you can target all the people that live in neighborhood X.

It's like stealing a car. Everything we do, from rolling up the windows, to locking the doors, to parking in a garage, to using a car alarm, etc. don't keep people from being able to steal your car. Each thing, though, makes it more difficult and time consuming, so with each protective measure some people decide not to bother. That's voter suppression. It won't stop somebody from voting, but each hurdle means some number of people won't bother. Put up enough hurdles and you might swing a close election.

It is pretty simple for me, although it could be much easier even in NY. But that's because I'm not being targeted. Most importantly, I live in NY and the state government isn't running supression efforts. But if they were, my demographic points to me being more likely to vote GOP.

When did I say can't?

Atlanta had 5 hour waits. Milwaukee had 2 hour waits on average.

In Georgia, they added an exact match law before a Governor race that would see a lot of new voters being added. This would put your registration in pending status if you added an extra character or misplaced a hyphen in your address. Even stuff like typing Avenue when it's listed as Ave on your license would flag it.

It doesn't take me long to register or vote. But I'm in a state (and nice neighborhood) that isn't trying to suppress it at this time.

Seventh Circuit Hears Oral Arguments in Wisconsin Voter ID Case | American Civil Liberties Union





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A Black Man Brought 3 Forms of ID to the Polls in Wisconsin. He Still Couldn’t Vote. | The Nation


The article goes on to document 7 total steps the man took to try to get a voter ID without success.

this is the purpose of voter id laws in america

It's not that people are incompetant or lazy, there are ACTIVE EFFORTS TO MAKE IT HARDER TO VOTE. These things get combined with the reduction of voting stations, purging of voter rolls and countless other things designed to require active monitoring and active effort far above and beyond anything most of us have to do, and the active intent is to make it harder people (that just happen to be predominantly non-white) to vote.

Solved the 5 hour wait...

Absentee ballots | Georgia voters can apply now | 11alive.com

Solved the 2 hour wait...

I want to vote absentee | Wisconsin Elections Commission

But I guess this is too much to ask right? Or what is the next excuse?

My favorite thing is when people pretend something isn't happening despite the people doing it admitting to it.

Who are you arguing with panerd? They literally admit what they are trying to do here.

Trump adviser tells Wisconsin Republicans party suppresses votes - Chicago Tribune

I'm going with the highest voted reddit answer in the thread about this: "DeJoy: Okay, okay I'll stop! Now that I'm already done..."

SI

You didn't. The people not as capable as you have this huge process to register which you have yet to explain why it is hard. And then I was asking Rainmaker because most states allow mail in which avoids the 5 hour lines and the people who work 3 jobs from even having to vote on election day. Still trying to figure out what is difficult about registering to vote and voting.

:lol:

SI

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Portions of the voting rights act were scaled back in 2013 and 16 states with Republican led legislatures decided to make it harder to either register to vote or to actually vote.



Some of the ones that were the most obvious (including the above one in Wisconsin that was used for the primaries before being relaxed for the presidential election) were struck down for intentionally targeting black voters. That is to say - the supreme court of the united states of america stated that at least in some cases - laws were being intentionally enacted to make it harder for black people to vote. Something tells me that extremely similar laws just slightly more clever in their racist goals may actually have that effect.

I'm arguing with the idea that it is hard to vote in this country.

If Biden goes globalism, which he is, he loses.

This country is way to the nationalistic side. Nationalism before all.

Trump wins if Biden goes that strategy.

And both of us are throwing countless sources at you showing that the GOP is intentionally trying to make it harder to vote, and is doing so successfully. So WHY are you still arguing is probably the better question.

The supreme court has agreed in the more blatant cases, the GOP has openly admitted it multiple times in multiple forums, numerous studies show the impact of it. So, what's really going on, hmm?

It is harder to vote for some people. Also harder to register for some people.

If you provide an option for in-person voting, it should be equal for everyone. One group shouldn't vote in 10 minutes while others wait 5 hours. It's ridiculous to argue that they should have anticipated a 5 hour wait and ordered a mail-in ballot a month or so earlier.

Why is one party trying so hard and admitting to these tactics if it doesn't work? Seems like a huge waste of time from people who have spent their lives in this field.

But it's not condescending and racist to continue to use stuff like Wisconsin as your focal point of your argument when you can register any day of the week and can vote absentee for any reason? Everyone in Wisconsin can vote with a short trip to a multitude of agencies to register at any point and then by requesting an absentee ballot and sending it in or god forbid taking it in. The long waits are just red herrings they don't effect voting this way at all.

Listen, just tell us you're a racist so we can stop arguing. We all know it. Why the charade?

So now it's not the 5 hour wait but something else. Of course... :lol:

OMG!!! He disagrees with the echo chamber. RACIST!!!!!! :lol:

Then why does the right continually engage in efforts to make it more difficult? If it doesn't work why do it?

The 5 hour wait is absolutely a form of suppression. How do you see some people voting in 10 minutes in person and others waiting 5 hours to vote in person and call that fair?

The balloting/election stuff is certainly relevant but it shouldn't be ignored that the USPS is also very near literal financial collapse & the recent changes that were put in place both limited their income & explicitly delayed the sorting and delivery of first class mail.

You see, they just haven't figured out over the last 150 years that voter suppression doesn't exist in this country.

Polling has shown a continued rise in support for immigration and free trade over the Trump years. Even things like working with allies can be seen at higher levels than in 2016.

In the NC case Radii mentioned the court said the GOP was targeting African-American voters, "with almost surgical precision."

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Ummm?

2020 brings us this headline, which will barely even register as only like the 237th most crazy thing to happen this year:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-o...t-toxic-plant/

SI

Yep. Why I deleted it. Also why I am calling it a night.

Yup.

I think it is time for everyone to retreat to their corners....