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Lathum 08-02-2024 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3438763)
Kyle Rittenhouse says he will not vote for Trump

When you've lost Rittenhouse you've lost the White House.


The world comes at you fast.....



albionmoonlight 08-02-2024 12:23 PM

Congratulations to Kamala Harris, who just officially clinched the Democratic nomination. I was a bit nervous about an open convention, but it was the fair thing to do, and I'm glad the Dems did it the right way.

Passacaglia 08-02-2024 12:30 PM

Is that Trump tweet real? So much to unpack. He says Rittenhouse murdered more people than him?

thesloppy 08-02-2024 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3438765)
My therapist says people have to bottom out before they realize they need help. I view the modern GOP like that. Some guys have tried to rescue them from Trump, but until the party really bottoms out and starts overwhelmingly losing elections MAGA and the Trump stain will be a part of it.



The frame of reference that I always come back to was one of the most vocal and publicized family of defectors from Jonestown. Buried in their story was the fact that what drove them away had nothing to do with the delusional beliefs or actions/murders being carried out, it was seeing Jim Jones personally beat their daughter for 20 minutes...otherwise they probably would've happily stuck around and drank the flavoraid.

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3438769)
Is that Trump tweet real? So much to unpack. He says Rittenhouse murdered more people than him?



No, it's a parody.

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3438770)
The frame of reference that I always come back to was one of the most vocal and publicized family of defectors from Jonestown. Buried in their story was the fact that what drove them away had nothing to do with the delusional beliefs or actions/murders being carried out, it was seeing Jim Jones personally beat their daughter for 20 minutes...otherwise they probably would've happily stuck around and drank the flavoraid.



If you ever get into cult-survivor stories, there is a lot of that. It will take something traumatic and major generally to get someone to leave, and it is amazing how often even after that they still sympathize with the cult/cult leader.

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 12:58 PM

VP Harris is starting to pack her team with former Obama strategist.

thesloppy 08-02-2024 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438772)
If you ever get into cult-survivor stories, there is a lot of that. It will take something traumatic and major generally to get someone to leave, and it is amazing how often even after that they still sympathize with the cult/cult leader.


Yeah, and most importantly I think it has to be personal. Watching someone else's kid get beat, or someone else's trauma, won't suffice, it has to effect them directly.

...all of which is to say I don't know if that's possible with this kind of political cult. They are too far removed from the leader to be directly and individually effected with that kind of trauma, and even if they were there's still enough distance and noise in the signal for the cult to spin at as someone else's fault.

CrimsonFox 08-02-2024 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3438768)
Congratulations to Kamala Harris, who just officially clinched the Democratic nomination. I was a bit nervous about an open convention, but it was the fair thing to do, and I'm glad the Dems did it the right way.


lol you mean after they fucked it up in 2016? yeah

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 02:05 PM

This could be interesting. Big hitters in Congress pulling for Walz to be the pick.

House Democrats home in on Tim Walz as Kamala Harris VP choice

RainMaker 08-02-2024 02:16 PM

Walz is the best option. Keeps the party united and he's down-to-earth. Thought it would be Shapiro but a lot of the stuff coming out on him could bring trouble.

Ksyrup 08-02-2024 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3438775)
Yeah, and most importantly I think it has to be personal. Watching someone else's kid get beat, or someone else's trauma, won't suffice, it has to effect them directly.

...all of which is to say I don't know if that's possible with this kind of political cult. They are too far removed from the leader to be directly and individually effected with that kind of trauma, and even if they were there's still enough distance and noise in the signal for the cult to spin at as someone else's fault.


The other difference here is that unlike cultists, who are typically cut off from family/friends and even the outside world, Trumpers are actually just the opposite - many of the most extreme are on social media and otherwise make their love of Trump well known. So there's the necessity of reforming an identity that's complicated by the fact that it's often a public persona, and it's hard for people to give that up because everyone knows what you were before.

I often think that's part of the reason we see people double down on stupidity over and over, because it's much easier psychologically to defend the indefensible than to admit you are wrong.

RainMaker 08-02-2024 02:21 PM

If you want to read some depressing stuff, check out this subreddit. Filled with people who's family members went down the QAnon road.


Blocked

Passacaglia 08-02-2024 02:25 PM

Suddenly, once Biden dropped out, all these VP hopefuls are out there campaigning. Feels like the longer the choice can be delayed, the better. Does that kill some of the momentum once a lot of these guys know they're not going to be VP?

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3438783)
Walz is the best option. Keeps the party united and he's down-to-earth. Thought it would be Shapiro but a lot of the stuff coming out on him could bring trouble.



Agreed. I was for Kelly earlier, but I don't think he is bulldog enough for what you want in VP candidate. He has a great pedigree, but not much bark. Shapiro's popularity in a must win state is nice, but I think he is going to be a huge negative distraction nationally. Walz has the ability to get mean, but he also has a disarming charm. I think he will play well in the Midwest and beyond.


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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 3438786)
Suddenly, once Biden dropped out, all these VP hopefuls are out there campaigning. Feels like the longer the choice can be delayed, the better. Does that kill some of the momentum once a lot of these guys know they're not going to be VP?



I really do think you will see all of them on the campaign trail with whoever gets the VP nod next week. Most of them are probably looking at cabinet positions in a Harris White House.

Lathum 08-02-2024 02:53 PM

I still think we see state level politicians active on the trail because they know what a danger Trump is and they will be thinking about the down ballot races.

RainMaker 08-02-2024 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438789)
Agreed. I was for Kelly earlier, but I don't think he is bulldog enough for what you want in VP candidate. He has a great pedigree, but not much bark. Shapiro's popularity in a must win state is nice, but I think he is going to be a huge negative distraction nationally. Walz has the ability to get mean, but he also has a disarming charm. I think he will play well in the Midwest and beyond.


Walz has a really good story too. Grew up in a small rural town, went to smaller state schools, and was a high school teacher. He won a red House seat to get started, had opposed the Iraq War, and voted against bank bailouts. I think that will play incredibly well in the Midwest and lure some rural, working class voters. He's a pretty tough guy to attack and seems like someone both liberals and progressives like.

Shapiro is really good off the cuff and would be tough too. He's about as good as it gets for a politician in interviews and debates. But his past is going to be scrutinized much more and used against him. Just seems like a risk when the momentum is shifting in your favor and the vibes are good with the whole party. Democrats love fucking things up so I think he'll be chosen.

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 03:17 PM

Walz was also a Command Sergeant Major in the National Guard.

RainMaker 08-02-2024 03:47 PM

Have to vote for the guy who got degrees from the same school as Danny Woodhead and Adam Thielen.

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 03:59 PM

Holy crap! If this is true, people are getting fired.



RainMaker 08-02-2024 04:17 PM

That sucks but Dems gonna Dem.

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 04:19 PM

It looks like it wasn't a leak, but a video made last week openly campaigning for Shapiro to get the job.


Edit: It is totally possible that the VP and her close staff might know who they are going to pick, but there is zero chance it has been told to anyone else including the eventual pick.

Brian Swartz 08-02-2024 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum
If this was the case Trump and the GOP wouldn’t be freaking out over the whole thing and they very much are.


Huh? Them freaking out has nothing to do with the points I made.

albionmoonlight 08-02-2024 04:24 PM

Kyle Rittenhouse was given proper reeducation. He now supports Dear Leader.

JPhillips 08-02-2024 05:26 PM

The Shapiro leak being a head fake would inspire a lot of confidence in Kamala's team.

GrantDawg 08-02-2024 05:46 PM

It wasn't a leak. It was made a week ago by the Philly mayor to campaign for Shapiro to be the pick. It had nothing to do with the Harris campaign. Someone put it out today as a "leak", but it had already been out for a week.

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GrantDawg 08-02-2024 05:48 PM

https://x.com/yashar/status/18195018...5_SElWTfw&s=19

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larrymcg421 08-03-2024 04:56 PM

The new attack angle seems to be comparing Kamala to ... Milli Vanilli.

JPhillips 08-04-2024 05:16 PM

WTF is up with RFK Jr? He picked up a road kill bear and dumped it in Central Park ten years ago.

Atocep 08-04-2024 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3438894)
WTF is up with RFK Jr? He picked up a road kill bear and dumped it in Central Park ten years ago.


How much brain can a worm eat before it dies?

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In a video he posted on X, Kennedy said he had come across the bear in the morning when he was going falconing; a woman in a van in front of him hit and killed the bear.

"So, I pulled over and I picked up the bear and put him in the back of my van because I was going to skin the bear, and it was in very good condition, and I was going to put the meat in my refrigerator," Kennedy said. "And you can do that in New York state. You can get a bear tag for roadkill bear."

thesloppy 08-04-2024 06:30 PM

My lord that sounds like bad comedy. "Cheryl! Cheryl! I got a dead bear in the car, I'm gonna skin it." but who hasn't done the same while engaged in some falconry?


The more I read about this the funnier it gets.

Lathum 08-04-2024 06:45 PM

My understanding is bear meat has a lot of parasites, would explain the brain worms.

Ben E Lou 08-04-2024 06:48 PM

What on earth made him think it was a good idea to share this story???

GrantDawg 08-04-2024 07:18 PM


Ksyrup 08-04-2024 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3438903)
What on earth made him think it was a good idea to share this story???


Nothing on earth makes him think. The brain worm is from outer space. Duh.

RainMaker 08-04-2024 07:29 PM

It sounds like the New Yorker was going to run a story on it and he is trying to get ahead of it.

Lathum 08-04-2024 08:18 PM

At this point would Trump even want his endorsement? Would fit right in with the weird narrative.

Edward64 08-04-2024 10:48 PM

Nice summary of Kamala’s positions

What Kamala Harris has said so far on key issues in her campaign

GrantDawg 08-04-2024 10:55 PM

https://x.com/106th/status/182023388...3ACgQHlXA&s=19

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Ksyrup 08-05-2024 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438916)
x.com

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Apparently I'm among the unwashed who is unable to view the post from whoever you quoted here.

Lathum 08-05-2024 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438916)
x.com

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I can't view it. Whats the jist?

Ksyrup 08-05-2024 09:30 AM

Sounds like VP announcement tomorrow.

JPhillips 08-05-2024 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438906)


I know this is a joke, but it's also a more believable story. He knew his schedule before he picked up the bear and even if things didn't run long he wouldn't have had time to skin and butcher and freeze the bear prior to his flight. I expect the plan all along was to do something crazy with the dead bear. It's very on-brand for the guy that still behaves as if he's the untouchable prince at boarding school.

edit: I guess we should all be thankful that he or someone else didn't just fuck the bear for giggles.

NobodyHere 08-05-2024 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3438934)

edit: I guess we should all be thankful that he or someone else didn't just fuck the bear for giggles.


To my knowledge JD Vance has not denied fucking that bear.

Ksyrup 08-05-2024 10:57 AM

I would expect either or both of them to deny it thusly:

I did not fuck that particular bear.

Lathum 08-05-2024 11:06 AM

Maga dopes downright gleeful the market is tanking. Really thinking about the middle class.

bhlloy 08-05-2024 11:12 AM

Rawdogging a dead bear is a great way to naturally build up your immune system

JPhillips 08-05-2024 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3438936)
I would expect either or both of them to deny it thusly:

I did not fuck that particular bear.


This needs a like button.

stevew 08-05-2024 12:08 PM

Wasn’t he approximately 62 years old at this moment?

albionmoonlight 08-05-2024 12:12 PM

PredictIt seems to think that it is either Shapiro or Walz. Everyone else's odds have gone way down.

I don't get the sense that that's based on anything real though. There's just a lot of people speculating about those two, and it seems like when that happens enough, people start to think that it's actual facts.

As always, those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.


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