+1 on both accounts. Bold emphasis is mine.

This will be an interesting deadline. I'll be back in before it, I hope.

I'm showing 5-5-3-1 on the votes right now through Post #2602:

5 Telle - Poli (2452), Clap (2467), MartinD (2558), PF (2590), Abe (2595)
5 Clap - Hoops (2476), Chief (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), MT (2598)
3 Saldana - Lathum (2481), Dubb (2509), Jackal (2593)
1 Lathum - Saldana (2494)


2452 Poli votes Telle 1-0
2467 Clap votes Telle 2-0
2472 Lathum votes Hoops 2-1 Telle over Hoops
2476 Hoops votes Clap 2-1-1 Telle over Hoops/Clap
2481 Lathum unvotes Hoops, votes Saldana 2-1-1 Telle over Clap/Saldana
2494 Saldana votes Lathum 2-1-1-1 Telle over Clap/Saldana/Lathum
2501 Chief votes Clap 2-2-1-1 Telle/Clap over Saldana/Lathum
2509 Dubb votes Saldana 2-2-2-1 Telle/Clap/Saldana over Lathum
2513 Autumn votes Clap 3-2-2-1 Clap over Telle/Saldana over Lathum
2521 Abe votes Hoops 3-2-2-1-1 Clap over Telle/Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2558 MartinD votes Telle 3-3-2-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2587 Telle votes Clap 4-3-2-1-1 Clap over Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2590 PF votes Telle 4-4-2-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2593 Jackal votes Saldana 4-4-3-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2595 Abe unvotes Hoops, votes telle 5-4-3-1 Telle over Clap over Saldana over Lathum
2598 MT votes Clap 5-5-3-1 Telle/Clap over Saldana over Lathum

i dont really like DTs move to tie it back up again, and since i need to make a play to try to get back in this game

unvote lathum
vote telle

Having been Saldana's best man I can assure you it is his wedding anniversiry.

Do you dislike it more based on "trust" for Clap or "distrust" for Telle?

Unless there is some movement onto Saldana ( and not the anniversary type movement he is probably going to get from the Mrs.) I will probably switch over so I have a meaningfull vote.

I really wish people would consider him though, his voting record is terrible and it would also have been today. I feel he is switching because he realizes this

I'm going to hold for a little bit as well but I am in the same boat as you, I will consolidate on the two main candidates if it becomes obvious this is a two horse race.

Autumn does make a good point about how there were four revealed wolf roles before the game and one unlisted wolf role in EF.. you'd think the pre-revealed roles would all be in it. If there are four wolves left that's scary.

when I say terrible I mean it would have been a total throwaway

At this point I'm more inclined to vote for clap than Telle if we're going to give up on sal, but I have very little to go on with either of them. I don't trust multiple people on each, hard to follow people either.

Lathum, I think I would move to Saldana before Telle tonight. The only thing that gives me pause on that is that Poli seemed very set on getting Telle lynched today. Otherwise, I would jump to Saldana over Telle without much of a second thought.

I'll be in and out over the last hour, so I'll try to move the vote near the end if it makes sense. My kid is now home, which means I won't have any big chunks of time to be reading the thread until after the deadline.

Reason?

Ooh ooh, I got dibs on the mashed potatoes.

I do think we learn more from a Telle lynch today than a Clap so I'm inclined to lean that way especially with Clap hinting he has a role and Poli's statements.

Dubb, what do we learn from a Telle lynch today?

If we have villager/wolf at this stage we learn a lot either way. But what specifically do we pick up from Telle that we won't learn through others?

I don't think a Saldana lynch is happening so I want a vote that means something.

She has had a run on her nearly every day. We unlock ALOT of voting history with a Telle lynch.

I think I'm going with Telle here.

Unvote Sal
Vote Telle

All right, I have considered the arguments, and I don't see a reason to move off of clap. But I am okay with Telle being lynched. I think the evidence to lynch her has been a bit overblown, at least with respect to what we know publically (those of you with access to private info through role play, that's your own biz, I don't have special info gathering powers), but there's no doubt she has made some questionable decisions. I just think there are others who have made more questionable decisions, like clap and saldana.

With that, I am out until past deadline.

well hrm

Which is awesome if she is a wolf. But I'm not as sold on it if is villager voting history.

I've seen a couple of people post today that they would prefer to vote "A" or "B" and not have Telle as one of their choices. So that makes me less inclined to vote for Telle. But right now I'm not in position to be able to help her.

Who knows, maybe the people I'm reading are wolves who would prefer not to vote for another wolf. But I don't think that is what I read.

8-6 votes right now. With these two candidates, I'll stick on Clap for the duration.

Votes as of post #2630:

8 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614), Dubb (2622)
6 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), DaddyTorgo (2598), The Jackal (2628)

17 minutes until deadline

Hopefully no one pulls any bullcrap and ties this up.

I'll almost certainly miss the last 5-10 minutes here. So whichever way this goes, hope it turns out well.

+++++1

I only will get one go at this cuz of the phone-thing. imma unvote clap and vote telle. was only on clap to try to get movement really.

unvote clap
vote telle

I really like that vote, DT.

I followed some hunches onto Clap, but since Telle has been high on my suspect list for a while, I don't mind seeing it go like this.

Call the flipping deadline already!

Deadline!

I guess I missed the argument on clap. I'll revisit it tonight.

*continues to delay Danny from posting the deadline results by sending him endless PMs*

YES!

YES YES YES

Wow.

do we think the wolves knew that Clap was the teddy bear or got lucky. I think one of their roles has a chance to recognize the teddy bear, right?

There is no listed role for recognizing the teddy bear.