Even the New York Times model, which essentially "called" this a while ago, still has Clinton winning the popular vote. So that (the electoral college debate) will still be a thing, though there's nothing Dems can do about it. But they have a big electoral map problem with the shifts in the midwest.

The sun will rise tomorrow

I nominate Jon; I certainly got on him enough through this.

Looks like Democrats now know to not piss off white people in the midwest.

You would think she'd know this, being from Arkansas.

Rosie O Donnell needs to be on a plane NOW!

ahhhhhhhhhhh look at all the lonely people (in this thread)

I was wondering if people are holding back their panic here some. I've argued against liberals here for 10+ years and I feel like I'm the only one really worried. I'm breaking out the fire pit in the backyard, drinking scotch, contacting friends I haven't seen in a while, contemplating my personal financial status with an eye towards being more conservative, wondering what will happen if my girlfriend loses her job, etc. While a small part of me is intrigued to see what happens next.

I can personally get through a bad economy, a Supreme Court retreat on certain individual rights, etc, but my biggest fear at the moment is about the environment. We're electing someone who at least claims to believe global warming is a hoax.

3-1 warriors lead
3-1 Indians lead
3-1 Clinton lead

Oh 2016, you are cruel mistress

There's something to this. I have a number of friends who are naturalized U.S. citizens (largely SE Asian, but some Latino), and they are much, much, much more angry about U.S. immigration policy/open borders than I am. I tend to want to extend the helping hand.

What they see is that they did it the right way, paid thousands of dollars in travel expenses to fly here or there every hear for visa shit, waited in lines, filled out a bazillion forms, constantly felt like they were on tenterhooks constantly about their legal status.

In essence, they paid their dues and earned the right to call themselves Americans. The fact that we'd make a policy of just giving it to other people for free invalidated their sacrifices.

As my Malaysian buddy said the other day, "So, my brother called me up and wants to come live here in the U.S. because he thinks that my citizenship will give him a free ride. I said to him, 'Fuck you. Stand in line like the rest of us did.'" (His wife is also a naturalized U.S. citizen from Sri Lanka.)

Its not as circle-jerky in here tonight. :)

Per Fox: 69% of people who believed neither candidate was qualified to be POTUS voted for Trump.

NeverTrumpers were OhHellTrumpIGuess in the end.

And this is exactly why in the end I pulled the lever for him. I went to vote divided between whether to vote for Johnson or Trump. I need the end, I voted for Trump because of the SCOTUS nominations.

I think the thing about people not wanting to admit they were going to vote for Trump are spot on, but at the end of the day, even Republicans who didn't like him, held their nose and voted for him.

Fox News gives Nevada to Clinton.

Hey man, if Iowa wins this weekend, all is forgiven. I'll be the first to apologize for being a dick in the past to you, including in this thread. Call it bargaining or acceptance if you like. :)

Why would we panic? We're (mostly) white guys. Even when we vote against our self-interest, we still win. ;)

I'm just disappointed that while we got to 5% with third party votes, we didn't get one party to the 5% threshold. That was the big question *I* was hoping the polls and models were wrong about.

92% reporting in PA, 48.2% to 48.2%.

Wonder if this could be because of the Russian hackers?

That's pretty much why I voted Trump. I was on the fence until recently, but ended up casting a vote for Trump (instead of Johnson) simply as a F.U. to all the articles I had read that contained highly snobbish & elitist Clinton rhetoric.

Still not over...

:D :cool:

Iowa is going to give up 60 this weekend. That game is going to get the faithful worked up even worse.

Not sure why Google hasn't called Wisconsin yet.

Wow, just 15 vote difference in NH at the moment.

The primary probably should have been a bigger sign to us.

I always thought it was a bad strategy to just label everyone who disagreed with you a racist, sexist, etc. Focusing all your energy on certain groups and ignoring (and even blaming) a large segment of the population. Whether that's taking the sides of groups like BLM or the abundance of snarky political commentary that demeans groups in this country. And for working class white people who have been hurt by the economy over the years, Democrats who usually supported them have not.

I mean I don't agree with how the election went but I guess it's not surprising that when you trash a huge part of the electorate for a decade, they'll come out in droves to vote against you.

I'm joking around because there's nothing I can do about it.

Bold prediction: Within 2 years, North Korea will make a statement making fun of Trump's hands. He'll demand nukes be launched at Pyongyang. The military will never allow that, so they resort to the only option they have. A military coup.

(I'm joking, please don't put me on a list!!!)

is vomiting a stage?

Wisconsin looks like it's lost. Pretty much comes down to that now that Michigan might swing in her favor.

Edit: Pennsylvania not looking good for her either. Outstanding vote count in parts that will help Trump.

Nope, not joking. Futures down 700 right now. I'm a long term guy so figure it may crash more over the next week but good chance it'll eventually recover.

DOW plunged 750 already

Thanks, legit, for that insight.

I'm so far behind that I can't catch up on that stuff I don't think, so you genuinely told me something useful that I did not know.

I think we're definitely looking at a 10% drop at least in the first week.

Current WWE tag team champion Rhyno appears to have won a spot in the Michigan legislature. And Donald Trump is a WWE Hall of Famer. So maybe Trump just tapped into the underrated Michigan wrestling fan demo.

Yes, agree that a couple of networks are hinting that PA is Trump's. Just saying that it's going to be close there, so he has a shot.

AZ hasn't been called for Trump yet.

What are the chances that Trump gets impeached on that rape charge?

USA and Britain against the world again!

Wait for the rest of the world to come crawling to suck on our teets. History does repeat itself.

Dola...but yeah, it looks like his floor is 258 and hers is around 220.

You can only be impeached for things that happen while you are in office.

If Trump wins WI, which looks likely, he doesn't even need New Hampshire. He'll very likely win Arizona, he'll get Alaska, and he probably gets ME-2 and all 5 of Nebraska's votes. That's it. That's 270.

PA and MI won't even matter at the end of it.

I think they called Wisc for Trump already

it was already dropped

however the trump U thing is still in swing

Britain has been on a pretty significant downswing since the early 20th Century I'd say.

McMullin within a few hundred votes of finishing 2nd in Utah. Did Perot finish 2nd anywhere? Who would be the last 3rd party/independent to do that if not him?

I really hope we get a called election relatively soon. I want to see both of these speeches.

0%

Republicans control House and Senate.

:D

But build up the Navy and Air Force. Then watch out.

Eh, CNN pundits are doing some deep soul searching right now. Go back to the polls.

Some have, some haven't, and since I'm one of those people that falls into "lots of people still remember what happened in 2000", I went with "likely".

I know Silver is the only pollster most people can name, but he's been giving Trump a much better chance than other pollsters and the prediction market. He still had it as 70/30 Clinton... which is still a 30% chance for Trump.
This narrative has been out there for awhile, but I don't buy it. How many Trump voters seem embarrassed to be voting for Trump? I think it's a failire to predict the massive rural turnout in the Rust Belt, just as pollsters missed on how high the urban turnout would be fir Obama. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these models rely on extrapolating out data based on past turnout, and as predicted here multiple times it wasn't some surprising demographic shift it was where the turnout surge came from that was surprising.
Everything bounced back after Brexit, etc. Great time to buy.

Think Maine and Utah.

I can't stop giggling at the Canadian immigration web site's issues tonight.

Trump now ahead in PA by 1% with 95% of the vote counted.

Yeah, Silver has actually come out of this looking well. He's the only pollster who kept saying Trump had a legit chance to win this.

In fact, a bunch of people trashed him for giving Trump a chance to win. Huffington Post (yes I know they're a joke) had Clinton at 99% to win and trashed him here.

Nate Silver Is Unskewing Polls -- All Of Them -- In Trump's Direction | Huffington Post

Theres a Monty Python sketch in there

CNN guy is crying on the air now.

I understand his passion. I get it 100%. But this network wouldn't have allowed a Romney supporter to have done that. It's the exact reason why the result happened tonight. Stop talking down to people. Just stop it.

I know it sucks, but 50+ million people spoke tonight and just because you didn't like their message doesn't mean that you should slam all of them.


Quick edit: please note I said that doesn't mean you "should" slam all of them, not that you "don't have the right" to slam all of them. He has every right to say his peace.

Clinton is projected to win the popular vote by approx 1%.

CNN hired Corey Lewandowski who had signed a contract with Trump stating he would not say anything negative about him or his campaign.

You can be impeached for whatever reason the House of Representatives wants to impeach you for. It's a political issue.

Hillary isn't gaining any ground in Michigan either. She got it neck and neck for a bit, but has been steadily at ~50k behind. Detroit is mostly in. Washtenaw County is still only at 15%, but gains there could be canceled out by the rural areas still left to report.

The soul searching is annoying. Trying my luck with MSNBC now.

Holy crap! Monica on Fox worked for Nixon! Amazing

Looking more and more like PA is going to be the winning state.

Hah, Rachel just said Donald looks likely to win.

If you're a longterm guy like you say, then you already know the answer to this. The index and stocks in general will bounce back and move up over time. This has been a very consistent fact of the stock market for its entire history.

Yeah, that Sam Wang guy from Princeton will dissapear too. (PS great response from Silver on Twitter to that article.)

CNN anchors are losing it tonight. They're also weirdly late to call states it seems.

Rachel Maddow was basically taking people to task for voting Johnson moments ago, that the anti-Trumpers who voted for him made Trump president instead. Fuck that. Vote for who you want to win.

Lost in all of this is that we definitely selected the better of the two main options for First Lady in this election.

Rust belt crushed her. Just lost by too wide of a margin with working class people. Thought I saw that Obama lost by 9 in that category and Hillary will lose by 20 in it. That's how Ohio and Pennsylvania swings the other way.

And it really does look like he's going to take WI-MI-PA. Combine those with AZ and he's over 300.

Going to bed. Brave new world starting tomorrow. Good night everyone.

My feelings about CNN are well known here. But I absolutely will not criticize them for being slower than the others (assuming amount of data is equal of course).

I have an ENORMOUS sense of FXNC in particular being overly aggressive with calls tonight. And that's a dangerous f'n game. It's downright manipulative IMO. If they have to reverse themselves on a bad call, it's fodder for weeks about conspiracy theories, and even if there were outright shenanigans that took place, they'd have still be wrong to be too far out in front IMO.

So apparently Hilary's slogan was "Stronger Together". I had no idea as I thought it was I'm with her. That explains a disconnect she had with voters.

Good night, and I promise you, like stevew said, the sun will rise tomorrow.

...after that, no promises.

It's a little deeper than that. If that were the bottom line the House could simply force the President to bow for whatever they wanted.

Actually the Maine 2nd congressional district could decide it.

fwiw (for some of my Georgia friends this will make more sense) ... WSB-AM veteran political reporter Jamie Dupree just tweeted "President-elect Donald J. Trump".

Dupree is not known for rash pronouncements.

This clown on CNN continues to cry like a 5 year old. Stop crying. This is the same damned thing you said about Trump before the election and how did that work for you exactly?

You think it might be time to change a little?

Still possible for a tie:

Trump takes Arizona + Alaska + ME2 = 269

Obviously I haven't seen it ... Cooper?

van jones probably

Yeah.

I mean, technically she has a chance, but at this point she has to run the table in at least four states where she's losing.

Not likely.

Clinton celebration venue has a lot of empty spots.

So what happens when Trump has to either backtrack on his pie in the sky promises, abandons the poor, white worker, or can't build a wall? Will his supporters be understanding? Or will they turn on him?

He just needs to keep the scapegoats effectively in the crosshairs

Hilarious stuff on Fox News. The people making the calls in the war room said that the Missouri Senate race (which would clinch a majority for the GOP in the senate) was still too close to call. Karl Rove chimed in and just noted that the Dem. candidate just conceded the race to Blunt. War room still refusing to call the race.

I think the Fox War Room is more concerned about keeping viewers, than finishing this off.

Okay, that's LOL-worthy.

Which, looking at history, he has a knack for doing.

Will Trump divest himself from his business as President? Unlikely.

His business ties with foreign governments have the potential to put him in a position to both use the clout of the US to increase his businesses, protect his own dealings by sheltering them within his businesses if he doesn't, or subjugate the interests of the US for his own business.

These are questions that no president has ever had to answer. No public has ever had to ponder, and they have far reaching, deep consequences.

Okay, this is getting late. I want to get some sleep but I want to see how this plays out.

AP calling PA for DJT.

Big swing in the PA Senate race. Toomey giving victory speech now; about 3 hours ago talk was about when he would concede.

LOL. Brit Hume is even getting frustrated with the Fox News war room. You could just hear him mumbling 'even the AP has called Pennsylvania' into his mic while Juan Williams was talking.

It's been over for awhile, just not officially.

So FNC called Wisconsin a couple hours ago and no one else has but everyone else has called PA except FNC...

I just got done watching a long movie and had not seen any results since nearly 4 hours ago. I was wrong and I have been wrong since the beginning of the year. I just don't understand.

This is the kind of stuff that I think cost Clinton and the Democrats the election. When you divide everyone, don't be surprised when the majority wins out.

Dear Muslims, Immigrants, Women, Disabled, and All People of Color,

I love you - boldly and proudly. We will endure. We will not break.

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) November 9, 2016

Jesus christ Trump is gonna get 300. Hillary had like 5-1 odds this morning.

John Podesta headed to give Clinton concession speech...

Poor form if true. The people who showed up to the event deserve to have her speak, even if she's not conceding quite yet.

One common theme I see among all these channels, they're not talking about why and how Clinton lost this election but how and why Trump's voters turned up and voted.

Don't think it's going to be the concession speech. Just going to tell everyone to go home.