Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 1376925)

My guess is he's frantically trying to learn photoshop.

Originally Posted by SteveMax58 (Post 1377334)

Dude...those stats are the ACTUAL 2006 stats, presumably from a mod.
Look em up here:
hxxp://www.nfl.com/players/playerindex/POS_QB

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1377336)

uhhh SteveMax...I think your sarcasm detector is broken:D

Originally Posted by SteveMax58 (Post 1377339)

Oops...sorry, still new here. I dont know everybody yet.:o

Originally Posted by BrianD (Post 1377612)

I don't remember if it has been said before in this thread, but David should get some credit for what he has accomplished. Sure it isn't an actual game and it isn't something that should be paid for, but to come up with a 3D thing that approximates football and as solo project is pretty impressive.

To get the requisite bashing in, I still laugh when I remember him saying that he did the spreadsheet programming thing back in the 90s and his "game" approximates football way better than it approximates math.

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic (Post 1377034)

and you people have the nerve to call me a troll?

the person comes here trying to extend an olive branch and open a channel of constructive communication and all you can do is try to be the guy who comes up with the next funny post so you can say you contributed to this thread.

this is ridiculous. way to represent this community. this stuff stopped being funny 70 pages ago. you guys wouldn't want to give this game a chance, cuz that would mean not being able to joke about the game anymore.

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 1377753)

You do realize you just gave them the new tagline for the next M-F promo campaign.

"Maximum Football---Pretty Impressive."

Originally Posted by Bee (Post 1377413)

Yeah yeah...wtf do you know about making a 3D graphic intensive football game? oh..wait...

;)

Originally Posted by wade moore (Post 1392271)

Well, that was fun while it lasted...

Sounds like marauders decided to stop showing up when we realized he wasn't providing any actual information to show the game was good, because there is none.

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 1401455)

For Sale...
One copy Maximum Football. All offers considered.

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 1401455)

For Sale...
One copy Maximum Football. All offers considered.

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 1401455)

For Sale...
One copy Maximum Football. All offers considered.

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick (Post 1401461)

I'll offer a broken crayon

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 1401455)

For Sale...
One copy Maximum Football. All offers considered.

Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 1401515)

You bought the game? Hahahahahahaha:D :D :D :D :D :D

Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 1401515)

You bought the game? Hahahahahahaha:D :D :D :D :D :D

Originally Posted by Shaun Sullivan (Post 1401524)

Man, I just read a lot of this thread...

You guys are pretty mean. If there were a thread like this about PureSim I think I'd crawl in a hole :)

I say let it go. This is beyond gratuitous. In case someone asks, no, I am no longer creating new games for Matrix, so there is no conflict of interest.


I think David Winter did a terrible job handling the criticism early on, but from what I have seen he seems to be busting his a$$ to make it right.

Call me sentimental, but I always root for the indie developers.

Shaun

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 1409160)

I had an index to all the MF media we created....I'll find it in a little bit

Found it: Maximum Football Media Index Thread

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 1409160)

I had an index to all the MF media we created....I'll find it in a little bit

Found it: Maximum Football Media Index Thread

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 1000730)

I was excited about this game, but Black Ice Hockey has fulfilled all of my sports gaming needs for the next several years, so I won't need to buy Maximum Football. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels (Post 1000733)

Why do I think that when this game finally does come out, you'll have your copy inside of the first week?

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 1409160)

I had an index to all the MF media we created....I'll find it in a little bit

Found it: Maximum Football Media Index Thread

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 1414305)

BTW, I did ship someone my copy of M-F. A condition of the sale was that he produce another dynasty. Stay tuned.

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 1414305)

BTW, I did ship someone my copy of M-F. A condition of the sale was that he produce another dynasty. Stay tuned.

Originally Posted by Marauders (Post 1376684)

Those screen shots are from a beta build that had a bug that was cleaned up on the next build. The stats you see are not the statistics that game play generated.

Originally Posted by Desmond (Post 1425522)

Also uniforms. Can't forget the uniforms.

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 1425419)

How's that screen shot of a current non-beta build coming along?

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 1425531)

He's on Maximum Football schedule.

Which means we'll have that non-beta shot, oh, in 2011.

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 1425558)

This thread is ART, dammit!

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1425598)

But the game is Canadian, so we should see the CFL fixes around the 23rd week of 2009, if my understanding of the exchange rate is correct. The "American Style Rules" will indeed have to wait until the 54th week of 2011, or the -2.411123232422nd week of 2012.

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 1377753)

You do realize you just gave them the new tagline for the next M-F promo campaign.

"Maximum Football---Sure, it's not an actual game, but it's Pretty Impressive."

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 1426383)

Fixed.

I'm actually not gonna blame David Winters anymore, he's pretty impressive. However, considering that's it's not an actual game, I'm still fascinated by those who are die-hard enough to create MP leagues for this pretty impressive one-man graphical wizardry that's not quite a game.

The XIFL is already one season into it's history. Pretty impressive.

Just get started by picking a team, then watch glory unfold.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1383754

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1426470)

I don't understand that thread. The web site he links to is not found, and he says you don't submit any files? Do you really just pick one of the teams in his league, and watch him run the league by himself, simply cheering "your" team on?

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1426470)

I don't understand that thread. The web site he links to is not found, and he says you don't submit any files? Do you really just pick one of the teams in his league, and watch him run the league by himself, simply cheering "your" team on?

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1426470)

I don't understand that thread. The web site he links to is not found, and he says you don't submit any files? Do you really just pick one of the teams in his league, and watch him run the league by himself, simply cheering "your" team on?

Originally Posted by tshipl68

By the way if anyone wants to say anything about the MVP Chase thing being the same as on PIFL it isn't the same the PIFL site say Chase for MVP not the same but I am not going use it out of respect for that league it is to be for FUN not going to do anything upset anyone..i see the PIFL is going strong and GREAT JOB to All the People in the PIFL (Commissioner and Team Owners)

Originally Posted by tshipl68

Hey all heres is the XIFL site agian

Originally Posted by tshipl68

hey the season ended and your team is didn't finish last

Originally Posted by RedKingGold (Post 1426504)

I think one of my personal favorites has ridden off into the sunset:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/sh...sp?memid=20084

He hasn't posted since one week after the kickoff of his video game bus. I always wished he'd sign up on these boards.

Originally Posted by Ragone (Post 1426690)

And god, Daivd said he wants to make maximum Lacrosse or hockey..

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 1426845)

Just to clarify, Daivd said that he would already have either Maximum Lacrosse or Maximum Hockey released by now.

Originally Posted by Bee (Post 1452784)

There's just no way to avoid all the problems of this game.

Originally Posted by Bee (Post 1452784)

There's just no way to aviod all the problems of thsi game.

Originally Posted by Ajaxab (Post 1454026)

hxxp://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1432956

This one on the 'Missing Man' got me. So we can't see the 11th man because he morphs into another player momentarily? Now that's what I call disguising your coverages.

Originally Posted by Daivd

Hi.

This is just a (not so) short note to let everyone know what it going on with the 1.5 update.

The game is now feature locked and testing is progressing. A lot of existing bugs have been addressed and overall, things are going well I think.

I am guessing some are not aware of the new features being built into the game and what you should be expecting. So I'll go through a very quick list below. This is not an all encompassing list of features or changes for 1.5, but a selection of them.

A new graphics engine. The game is now directX 9 based and has some graphical improvements including new ingame dialogs and screens, and the game front end (set up screens) have some new art.

IMPORTANT NOTE: The game now makes use of a technology called Shaders. I've kept the shader support requirement purposefully low using only shader version 1.0, but a video card that supports shaders is very highly recommended. It is distinctly possible you will run into performance issues if your video card does not have at least pixel and vertex shader 1.0 support. The vast majority of quality video cards on the market today support at least shader 1.0 so you shouldn't have too many problems unless you're trying to play the game on a low end integrated graphics card.

To those folks doing custom artwork, there is a minor change required for your field artwork. Endzone artwork no longer needs the sideline stripes. That's taken care of by the game now. So if you leave the side line stripes on your endzone artwork, you'll end up with double thick sidelines. It has no impact on the game play, it would just look a bit off.

Snow and rain versions of field artwork is no longer required. The game takes care of that now.

Uniform art is unchanged. All existing uniforms work with the new version with no changes.

A new sound engine. Driven by necessity here really, with the change to the DirectX 9 engine, a new sound engine needed to be built too.

A new input engine. Probably invisible to most players, the game has new code for working with various input devices. The one area where this is probably most visible is with game controllers. Unfortunately, Gravis no longer exists. It was absorbed into Kensington, and pretty much killed off. So I've moved official support from Gravis controllers to the XBOX 360 controller. I've also added some new features that make special use of that controller and I'll explain those below. That's not to say other controllers won't work, they do still work (Gravis, logitech, etc) but the 360 controller is what I recommend.

-Input Helpers. On screen icons for selecting a play or passing to various receivers now match the input device you're using. This makes it easier to figure out what player should be doing what.

New Arcade play features;


* Trigger passing. If you have the 360 controller plugged in, you now have an optional setting for your passing. The harder you pull on the 360 trigger, the harder the pass. A light tap on the trigger allows you to throw a slow lob over the top. The trigger passing is quite fun I think in that you have a lot more control over your passes. However for those that find it too much, you can turn off the trigger passing technique and just use the one button passing mode as the game currently has.

* Sprint button. A player with the ball has a 'sprint' button that allows him to run slightly faster for about 3 seconds.

* Tackle button. On defense you need to press a button to dive tackle.

* Kicking. kicking is now down in 3 distinct steps rather than 2. The kicking indication on field is improved as well.

* Defensive line shift. On defense, prior to the snap, a button/thumbstick combination allows you to shift the defensive line left, right, opened, or closed.



General Game Changes and Improvements;


* There is now considerably more distinction in player positions. As just two examples, positions like DB have been separated into Safety and Corner and Linebacker has been split up into Inside and Outside linebackers.

* New Depth Chart system. The Depth chart is now slot based to take advantage of the new player break down.

* There is now an almanac of past champions and defunct teams in the leagues screens.

* Databases now import based on League ID rather than file name. This should solve the problem of trying to import two different leagues that may have used the same file name.

* League databases that are removed from the game folder will now be removed from the games internal league list. This cleans up the league deletion process.

* The computer AI will now shift the defensive line to try and counter your play calling tendencies.

* There have been a couple of additional statistical items added as well.



Some additional comments and notes.

Much effort is being put into ensuring that the feature set that is there is as bug free as possible. What that means is that features that some may feel are missing or should be in the new version, may not have been added to allow more time for debugging and testing of existing features. The amount of new 'stuff' added to this verison is considerable so there's lots of new features in the game to explore and to play with, but I feel it would be better to spend a lot of time ensuring that the features that are there have few bugs, rather than spending time adding all the features everyone wanted, but with the end result being that most of those features had lots of bugs.

One specific area this effort has been targeted towards is league play. Leagues and league data should be more stable than it has been in the past.

Around the middle of July, I will be updating all the screen shots on the www.maximum-football.com web page, as well as passing new screen shots to Matrix.

Oh yes, the manual is also being updated as well and from what I understand, Matrix plans on having a printed version available. I don't have all the details on that yet though.

I'd like to thank everyone for their continued interest and support of Maximum-Football.

thanks
David

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 1492102)

This is literally one of the funniest things I've ever read.

Originally Posted by Senator (Post 1492120)

Don't stop believing.......

Originally Posted by Antmeister (Post 1492136)

No...you are not pulling me into another parody song! Stop the temptation please. :p

Originally Posted by Daivd

Hi.

This is just a (not so) short note to let everyone know what it going on with the 1.5 update.

The game is now feature locked and testing is progressing. A lot of existing bugs have been addressed and overall, things are going well I think.

I am guessing some are not aware of the new features being built into the game and what you should be expecting. So I'll go through a very quick list below. This is not an all encompassing list of features or changes for 1.5, but a selection of them.

A new graphics engine. The game is now directX 9 based and has some graphical improvements including new ingame dialogs and screens, and the game front end (set up screens) have some new art.

IMPORTANT NOTE: The game now makes use of a technology called Shaders. I've kept the shader support requirement purposefully low using only shader version 1.0, but a video card that supports shaders is very highly recommended. It is distinctly possible you will run into performance issues if your video card does not have at least pixel and vertex shader 1.0 support. The vast majority of quality video cards on the market today support at least shader 1.0 so you shouldn't have too many problems unless you're trying to play the game on a low end integrated graphics card.

To those folks doing custom artwork, there is a minor change required for your field artwork. Endzone artwork no longer needs the sideline stripes. That's taken care of by the game now. So if you leave the side line stripes on your endzone artwork, you'll end up with double thick sidelines. It has no impact on the game play, it would just look a bit off.

Snow and rain versions of field artwork is no longer required. The game takes care of that now.

Uniform art is unchanged. All existing uniforms work with the new version with no changes.

A new sound engine. Driven by necessity here really, with the change to the DirectX 9 engine, a new sound engine needed to be built too.

A new input engine. Probably invisible to most players, the game has new code for working with various input devices. The one area where this is probably most visible is with game controllers. Unfortunately, Gravis no longer exists. It was absorbed into Kensington, and pretty much killed off. So I've moved official support from Gravis controllers to the XBOX 360 controller. I've also added some new features that make special use of that controller and I'll explain those below. That's not to say other controllers won't work, they do still work (Gravis, logitech, etc) but the 360 controller is what I recommend.

-Input Helpers. On screen icons for selecting a play or passing to various receivers now match the input device you're using. This makes it easier to figure out what player should be doing what.

New Arcade play features;


* Trigger passing. If you have the 360 controller plugged in, you now have an optional setting for your passing. The harder you pull on the 360 trigger, the harder the pass. A light tap on the trigger allows you to throw a slow lob over the top. The trigger passing is quite fun I think in that you have a lot more control over your passes. However for those that find it too much, you can turn off the trigger passing technique and just use the one button passing mode as the game currently has.

* Sprint button. A player with the ball has a 'sprint' button that allows him to run slightly faster for about 3 seconds.

* Tackle button. On defense you need to press a button to dive tackle.

* Kicking. kicking is now down in 3 distinct steps rather than 2. The kicking indication on field is improved as well.

* Defensive line shift. On defense, prior to the snap, a button/thumbstick combination allows you to shift the defensive line left, right, opened, or closed.



General Game Changes and Improvements;


* There is now considerably more distinction in player positions. As just two examples, positions like DB have been separated into Safety and Corner and Linebacker has been split up into Inside and Outside linebackers.

* New Depth Chart system. The Depth chart is now slot based to take advantage of the new player break down.

* There is now an almanac of past champions and defunct teams in the leagues screens.

* Databases now import based on League ID rather than file name. This should solve the problem of trying to import two different leagues that may have used the same file name.

* League databases that are removed from the game folder will now be removed from the games internal league list. This cleans up the league deletion process.

* The computer AI will now shift the defensive line to try and counter your play calling tendencies.

* There have been a couple of additional statistical items added as well.



Some additional comments and notes.

Much effort is being put into ensuring that the feature set that is there is as bug free as possible. What that means is that features that some may feel are missing or should be in the new version, may not have been added to allow more time for debugging and testing of existing features. The amount of new 'stuff' added to this verison is considerable so there's lots of new features in the game to explore and to play with, but I feel it would be better to spend a lot of time ensuring that the features that are there have few bugs, rather than spending time adding all the features everyone wanted, but with the end result being that most of those features had lots of bugs.

One specific area this effort has been targeted towards is league play. Leagues and league data should be more stable than it has been in the past.

Around the middle of July, I will be updating all the screen shots on the www.maximum-football.com web page, as well as passing new screen shots to Matrix.

Oh yes, the manual is also being updated as well and from what I understand, Matrix plans on having a printed version available. I don't have all the details on that yet though.

I'd like to thank everyone for their continued interest and support of Maximum-Football.

thanks
David

Originally Posted by Daivd (Post 1492242)

A lot of existing bugs have been addressed and overall, things are going well I think.

Originally Posted by Daivd (Post 1492242)

Uniform art is unchanged. All existing uniforms work with the new version with no changes.

Originally Posted by Senator (Post 1492120)

Don't stop believing.......

Originally Posted by Surtt (Post 1492317)

I was under the impression Daivd had written the graphics engine from scratch.
I wonder if he rewrote it or decided to go with a commercial one.

Originally Posted by sabotai (Post 1492454)

Well, if he went from DirectX8 to DirectX9, I doubt it's really NEW graphics engine, just an updated one. But he also said he implemented shaders, so he may have rewrote a good portion of the engine to best implement them. Of course, it's also possible he just threw them in there....(at this point, has Daivd earned any benefit of the doubt?)