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thesloppy 07-31-2024 05:31 PM

Plastic surgery enthusiast and host's paid counsel has things to say about authenticism.

BYU 14 07-31-2024 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3438588)


How fucking weak to have to be as a man, to react like he did to that question, and not just tightening her water, his rant after, when insulting others, making outrageous claims and saying whatever you like, about whoever you like as part of your daily schtick. I swear I don't know that I have ever seen anyone softer than this buffoon.

larrymcg421 07-31-2024 06:13 PM

At this point, maybe Kamala should pick Warnock for VP to see full on GOP meltdown.

Atocep 07-31-2024 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3438600)
At this point, maybe Kamala should pick Warnock for VP to see full on GOP meltdown.


She obviously needs a black person on the ticket.

CrimsonFox 07-31-2024 06:39 PM

so why does trump keep choosing vps that won't help him at all in electoral votes?

CrimsonFox 07-31-2024 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3438601)
She obviously needs a black person on the ticket.


wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

RainMaker 07-31-2024 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3438602)
so why does trump keep choosing vps that won't help him at all in electoral votes?


He's an insane narcissist who can't stand anyone getting attention or credit over him.

NobodyHere 07-31-2024 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3438602)
so why does trump keep choosing vps that won't help him at all in electoral votes?


VPs are overrated in terms of electoral votes.

JPhillips 07-31-2024 07:08 PM

Pence was really helpful in reassuring the evangelicals. We forget that in 2016, the religious right wasn't in the tank for Trump.

Danny 07-31-2024 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3438606)
Pence was really helpful in reassuring the evangelicals. We forget that in 2016, the religious right wasn't in the tank for Trump.



Its amazing he went from that to messiah

JPhillips 07-31-2024 07:37 PM

I'm in FL this week and every GOP primary commercial is just the candidate saying they are the most Trump-like.

flere-imsaho 07-31-2024 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3438559)
I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept. What is a rational mindset against this mindset?


Fetuses have feelings and corporations are people.

Oh, you said rational. Sorry, can't help you.

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 3438607)
Its amazing he went from that to messiah


Three hard-right Supreme Court Justices will do that for you.

Ksyrup 07-31-2024 08:31 PM

Well, we've come full circle now. They've pulled Harris's birth certificate to "prove" she's not black.

Atocep 07-31-2024 09:45 PM

Fox News called her "Obama in a skirt" today. I'm not sure Kamala has to do anything because the right is just making her ads for her.

thesloppy 07-31-2024 09:56 PM

Harris went to Howard, an HBCU, and pledged their biggest sorority, straight Spike Lee School Daze shit, but the GOP thinks having a bunch of shrill white folks question her race card is a winning strategy? Baffling stuff.

Ksyrup 08-01-2024 06:54 AM

I have two guesses as to why this is happening. One, they are so far up Trump's ass that they automatically defend and double-down on everything he says and does. And two, this feels like trying to recreate the Elizabeth Warren controversy, but that was a controversy of her own making, as a white woman trying to prove she was a minority. This isn't even in the same stratosphere.

If the argument is you can only be one or the other (black or Indian), or that being half-Jamaican means you aren't really black, then by all means, triple-down on that shit.

Ksyrup 08-01-2024 07:08 AM

Meanwhile, Vance wrote an endorsement for a book that just came out written by Jack Posobiec that calls for the execution and torture of "unhuman" political opponents of the GOP. His endorsement is on the book.

So, like, can this get as much coverage as "childless cat ladies," please?

GrantDawg 08-01-2024 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3438621)
I have two guesses as to why this is happening. One, they are so far up Trump's ass that they automatically defend and double-down on everything he says and does. And two, this feels like trying to recreate the Elizabeth Warren controversy, but that was a controversy of her own making, as a white woman trying to prove she was a minority. This isn't even in the same stratosphere.

If the argument is you can only be one or the other (black or Indian), or that being half-Jamaican means you aren't really black, then by all means, triple-down on that shit.



It really is the dumbest thing. I have seen in the wild more than once "Jamaican isn't black." "Jamaicans aren't Africans." No they aren't Africans, but they are descendant from Africans that were brought to the Islands by the slave trade. Why do they think it wise to highlight slavery? Again, how does this help them in any way?

GrantDawg 08-01-2024 07:14 AM

This made me laugh too hard...

cuervo72 08-01-2024 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3438621)
I have two guesses as to why this is happening. One, they are so far up Trump's ass that they automatically defend and double-down on everything he says and does. And two, this feels like trying to recreate the Elizabeth Warren controversy, but that was a controversy of her own making, as a white woman trying to prove she was a minority. This isn't even in the same stratosphere.

If the argument is you can only be one or the other (black or Indian), or that being half-Jamaican means you aren't really black, then by all means, triple-down on that shit.


They understand this is a different kind of "Indian", right? (Right??)

Lathum 08-01-2024 07:38 AM

He’s going back to the 2016 playbook. It’s birtherism 2.0. It worked in 2016 and he thinks it will work again. It’s all he knows. He’s too stupid to pivot and he feels cornered. He sees this thing slipping away.

GrantDawg 08-01-2024 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3438627)
They understand this is a different kind of "Indian", right? (Right??)



According to comments on Twitter, no. They definitely do not.

NobodyHere 08-01-2024 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3438629)
He’s going back to the 2016 playbook. It’s birtherism 2.0. It worked in 2016 and he thinks it will work again. It’s all he knows. He’s too stupid to pivot and he feels cornered. He sees this thing slipping away.


Birtherism is 2016? Maybe you're thinking of 2008?

And it didn't work then.

Ksyrup 08-01-2024 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438623)
It really is the dumbest thing. I have seen in the wild more than once "Jamaican isn't black." "Jamaicans aren't Africans." No they aren't Africans, but they are descendant from Africans that were brought to the Islands by the slave trade. Why do they think it wise to highlight slavery? Again, how does this help them in any way?


When you're in an echo chamber, you begin to believe that extreme beliefs/arguments are more mainstream than they actually are. Like, virtually high-fiving people all over the country for owning the libs makes it feel like whatever weird/extreme take you've posted about is more widely accepted than it is.

This isn't limited to the right-wing, of course - social media and TV is set up to insulate all of us from other viewpoints (except on Twitter, where Musk has decided to force you to see a certain viewpoint unless you take steps to block it), so we're all in some form of an echo chamber. But it feels like on the right-wing side, it's more about specific issues (race, Aplaha Male/traditional female roles, etc.) and on the left-wing, more a general feeling (like either a group doom spiral if something bad happens or an overly ecstatic reaction when things are going well, both of which help to catch them off-guard when something different actually happens).

Ksyrup 08-01-2024 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3438627)
They understand this is a different kind of "Indian", right? (Right??)


JD Vance needs to be asked at every possible moment about this issue given he's married to an Indian and has mixed kids.

Swaggs 08-01-2024 08:11 AM

Someone on Twitter suggested that he got immunity from the Supreme Court and raised more than enough money to cover his legal bills, so he is tanking things now because being president is hard work and he doesn't love hard work.

I don't buy that, but it's not the craziest thing I've heard this week.

Lathum 08-01-2024 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3438631)
Birtherism is 2016? Maybe you're thinking of 2008?

And it didn't work then.


Trump ran in 2008?

Ksyrup 08-01-2024 08:23 AM

Trump first started questioning Obama's citizenship (or the validity of his birth certificate) around 2011 or 2012, I think. It was well before he ever ran for office.

Lathum 08-01-2024 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3438638)
Trump first started questioning Obama's citizenship (or the validity of his birth certificate) around 2011 or 2012, I think. It was well before he ever ran for office.


I get that but lets not act like racism and birtherism wasn't a big part of his 2016 campaign.

albionmoonlight 08-01-2024 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3438635)
Someone on Twitter suggested that he got immunity from the Supreme Court and raised more than enough money to cover his legal bills, so he is tanking things now because being president is hard work and he doesn't love hard work.

I don't buy that, but it's not the craziest thing I've heard this week.


That's too 4-D chess for him.

The simple explanation is the right one. Biden choosing to withdraw from consideration for the Democratic nomination and releasing his delegates threw the GOP for a loop, and they are still finding their feet.

Trump would never choose to lose to a woman.

Lathum 08-01-2024 08:50 AM

Trumps really painted himself into a corner with Vance. He’s already distancing himself from him but would never replace him because that would mean he admits he was wrong.

albionmoonlight 08-01-2024 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3438642)
Trumps really painted himself into a corner with Vance. He’s already distancing himself from him but would never replace him because that would mean he admits he was wrong.


Dear Leader cannot fail.
Dear Leader can only be failed.

In the back of his head, he's already laying the groundwork for blaming a potential loss on Vance. That *he* picked Vance will be easily ignored.

And, if he wins? Then *he* picked Vance, which was another brilliant move by the stable genius.

Swaggs 08-01-2024 10:02 AM

Yeah, there is no way that Trump will accept a loss period.

Can anyone picture him calling to concede or going to the inauguration? It is pretty wild that he has a hold on his party in this way.

Atocep 08-01-2024 10:03 AM

Trump's entire political identity is attacking his opponents. He's not particularly smart or clever so it's always low hanging fruit that he attacks. When your opponent is a black woman the low hanging fruit is that she's black and a woman.

I don't think it's any surprise that's he's struggling. What's interesting is the entire right wing has become such a reflection of Trump that they don't know how to respond either.

thesloppy 08-01-2024 11:06 AM

With all the reporting about deniers getting put into election official positions, it seems like we could be headed towards a reverse 2000 Mules (we're through the looking glass people), where several MAGA voters and officials get caught on camera and paper committing significant election fraud, and then all the same people who saw conspiracy in every corner in 2020 will claim to see nothing, when presented with actual fraud.

Atocep 08-01-2024 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3438649)
With all the reporting about deniers getting put into election official positions, it seems like we could be headed towards a reverse 2000 Mules (we're through the looking glass people), where several MAGA voters and officials get caught on camera and paper committing significant election fraud, and then all the same people who saw conspiracy in every corner in 2020 will claim to see nothing, when presented with actual fraud.


This was my biggest fear coming out of 2020. Normalizing the thought for MAGA that dems are cheating so people on the ground feel the need to chest as well to even up the odds for Trump.

If you're going to lose may as well create as much chaos and confusion as possible and see of the courts rule your way.

QuikSand 08-01-2024 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3438638)
Trump first started questioning Obama's citizenship (or the validity of his birth certificate) around 2011 or 2012, I think. It was well before he ever ran for office.


But the "birther" movement demonstrated to him how toxic and effective conspiracy theories can be to the power-hungry outsider. I suspect he had this bent in him anyway (and also that he himself is a sucker of stuff like that, he's 100% always been the guy that hears a few sculpted talking points about vaccines and autism and says "wow you're right") but seeing how much mileage the "i'm just asking questions" angle w Obama's lineage got on right-leaning political shows almost certainly gave him the fortitude to pursue am actual political career and to center it around bullshit.

Swaggs 08-01-2024 11:33 AM

It's kind of ironic that Harris will be the one certifying the election this time.

Seems certain that, if she manages to win, the GOP will certainly be crying about the fairness of her presiding over the process and like one of those things that Dems traditionally overthink and yield to, in the name of fairness and trying to stay above board, that inevitably risks or takes away their power.

GrantDawg 08-01-2024 11:34 AM

I believe this is a real strategy and no off the cuff accident. I think the pivot to play up race might not be what the more professional campaign workers want, but I fully believe guys like Stephen Miller and Rodger Stone have told him it is the way to go.

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Lathum 08-01-2024 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438654)
I believe this is a real strategy and no off the cuff accident. I think the pivot to play up race might not be what the more professional campaign workers want, but I fully believe guys like Stephen Miller and Rodger Stone have told him it is the way to go.

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If that’s true and I was the two running his campaign I would quit. Once that Trump smell is on you it’s impossible to wash off.

cuervo72 08-01-2024 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438444)
That's too many words. We will just keep saying "leftist" or "Marxist" not knowing what those words mean, but they sound scary.


This might be relevant!

The MAGA Abuse of the English Language

Passacaglia 08-01-2024 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3438656)


Nice. Should have gone with a schooner/sailboat reference from Mallrats instead of the Border Collie/Dog split, though.

GrantDawg 08-01-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3438656)



"(This is where we get a weird crossover episode of linguistic insanity, such that some MAGA people will claim that the “Democrat Marxists want to turn America into a democracy with their coup,” which is a statement that should make everyone’s head explode, Looney Tunes™ style)."


Just *chef's kiss*

Ksyrup 08-01-2024 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3438654)
I believe this is a real strategy and no off the cuff accident. I think the pivot to play up race might not be what the more professional campaign workers want, but I fully believe guys like Stephen Miller and Rodger Stone have told him it is the way to go.

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I think it's as simple as, "any publicity is good publicity." 2-3 weeks of Harris and Vance getting a ton of press (Harris positive and Vance negative, washing off on Trump), and he needed something, anything to make himself the story again. Right or wrong, he really doesn't care if it's bad attention. You have to hope the American people make him pay for brazenly showing us who he is over and over, but it's worked for him before.

albionmoonlight 08-01-2024 01:21 PM

Yeah, he's repugnant, etc. But he's also getting, dare I say, tired? Like a TV show that's gone on two seasons too long.


albionmoonlight 08-01-2024 01:25 PM

dola:

Also, his boy Putin pretty much cutting his losses here and assuming he's going to lose.

Danny 08-01-2024 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3438663)
I think it's as simple as, "any publicity is good publicity." 2-3 weeks of Harris and Vance getting a ton of press (Harris positive and Vance negative, washing off on Trump), and he needed something, anything to make himself the story again. Right or wrong, he really doesn't care if it's bad attention. You have to hope the American people make him pay for brazenly showing us who he is over and over, but it's worked for him before.


He may still win but this is a good thing. It removed any doubt to swing voters thinking he may have changed after the assasination attempt and his very brief message of unity.

If he had rode that message to election day I think he more than likely wins.

RainMaker 08-01-2024 02:04 PM

It may be a strategy to go into the race stuff but it could also just be an 80 year old racist who can't help himself. And a party of followers who can't help themselves either.

GrantDawg 08-01-2024 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3438673)
It may be a strategy to go into the race stuff but it could also just be an 80 year old racist who can't help himself. And a party of followers who can't help themselves either.



It's both. Trump always likes to listen to the advisors that tell him what he wants to hear. When he doesn't, you can always tell. He going full bore into where he is comfortable and moving away from where the campaign wanted him.

sovereignstar v2 08-01-2024 02:13 PM

I'm surprised Donald hasn't asked about Kamala's whereabouts on April 19, 1989


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