Somebody help me out with this. There are 4 characters listed in post 1 under the heading of "conspirator". Does this just mean that they were conspirators on the show and not necessarily in this game? I can see where anyone in CTU or in the government could really be a conspirator, but in this game, is it possible that people listed as conspirators could really be good?

I doubt that any of the conspirators, should they be in the game, are anything other than bad.

But there is certainly a chance that our mods gave one of those conspirator characters a different route to follow than what happened on the show, we'll see. Speculating on roles based on characters is something we probably won't get to for a while, unless everyone is just going to start shooting names off, which doesn't seem prudent at this point.

And I thought they said pretty clearly in the rules that Jack is the only character we can assume any allegiance about. That seemed pretty clearly to me to mean that the rest of us are randomized.

Yes, that is true. I think that relates more to the wealth of good characters, though, that we can't assume all of them are good. It'd be weird if the 4 conspirators listed starting showing up claiming to be good guys.

I thought the same but then got confused by having the four characters listed as conspirators. So if some character has the ability to "see" that one of the players is Habib Marwan, we shouldn't assume that he is bad?

Yeah, it could be weighted toward them I suppose. Iw as thinking of the Marvel game, where it clearly was very random, but then there we all had public roles so that was much more necessary. It might not be as random here.

I'm curious to see what effect having DT cleared and public will have. Hopefully that's combined with some sort of ability to build a CoT.

I don't see where it says that. It does say that he's the only public role, and the rest are private, but it doesn't say anything about him being the only one we can assume any allegiance about.

It says he's loyal to the government which means he's the only character we know the allegiance of, or should assume the allegiance of, which I think is what the point was.

I'm pretty sure it said that too.

I would agree with this. On both counts.

I suppose. It doesn't say NOT to assume it about anyone else, though. I guess that's all I was thinking.

That section has been changed from "Foreigners/Conspirators" to "TV Show Villains" to avoid any confusion with the "Conspirators (aka wolves)" in this game.

The rules post does contain information on the relationship between "TV show persona" and "WW game persona". In nebulous language that we probably will not clarify further ;)

That's cool, now I know not to assume any absolutes. If I see a Habib Marwan come out in the game, I know I can be suspicious but shouldn't be absolutely sure he is bad. That gives me what I was looking for. Thanks.

I get the feeling people are making this too difficult.

The faction of the players, with the exception of Jack Bauer, is not predicated on the actions on the television show.

To me that reads that no matter whether a character was 'good' or 'bad' on the show, does not impact whether they are 'good' or 'bad' in this game. Kim Bauer might be the head of the Conspirators (maybe she'll be that in next season's 24 too), Habib Marwan might work for the Government for a pardon. Make up whatever backstory you want, but other than Jack, any other role is fair game for a good, neutral, or evil role.

This is what I was reading. It seems pretty clear to me that we can't assume anything. I assume the roles will mostly work out in terms of certain inter-character relationships, ways roles interact based on the TV show.

Hah, jinx.

What I don't get, then, is why the wolves are given the names of the characters that are not in the game.

I hear you, I didn't totally get that myself. I guess it gives them a bit more flexibility as to what type of role they want to fake reveal as.

So reading this, it seems my role reveal is useless, even if I list what power I have.

And by the way this game looks to be more dificult than I thought. I'm kind of confused about clock/lynch thing. I'll go back through rules again when I get a chance.

And my only confusing was characters listed as conspirators. I now know the list was of people who were conspirators on the show not necessarily in the game. I just needed clarification that "conspirator" meant "conspirator on the show". Makes much more sense now, and will hopefully prevent an even bigger fight in-game.

This is about where I'm at now, I think.

That, and in addition I think that it's probably not a good idea to put our roles out there. I imagine certain roles can affect certain other roles so for the most part it's probably best to keep the wolves (and neutrals?) in the dark.

I agree with what others are saying about mass reveals-there's going to be quite a few extra roles out there-like 7? and even if there is a mass reveal it tells us nothing about what side people are on, especially given the clarification from the mods about the roles list and only gives slight clues to whatever powers are out there. And I'm guessing there's going to be some duplicate/very similar powers out there given the number of people in the game.

Glad I decided to get back into this one.

Will check back in later. Home with a migraine and figured I would pop on to see if I missed anything. Time to close my eyes for a while longer.

Catching up, but I did not post for 8 hours just for you (and cause I was sleeping :)

Saldana should be happy to know there were only 197 posts by noon (EST).

I don't know the roles and powers people have, but using basic WW roles as an example. A seer could feed his scans to a previously scanned player through these PM's. A bodyguard could feed his identity to somehow he protected and prevent a night kill from. A duke could PM to players under lynch consideration for info. As for wolves, PM's like these could be faked.

That's certainly possible

Definitely agreed.

I agree, we should not apply absolutes to this, but hopefully this is not any real consideration to a full reveal as it is pointless if not harmful to the village.

not unless she's conspiring to throw a topless pool party at my place!! :D

I'M JACK BAUER!!!!!

You may not try and sex your daughter up

Yeah, you've got the worst role in the game DT.

LOL

Well....I have not much more to say at this point...but i enjoy the discussion. I think the players are totally random, but to me it doesnt matter as I have never watched the show.

I'll be driving now so I will catch you guys in the morning. Thanks for bearing with me.

I want some action :)

This is 24!

Looks like it's the night before the premier, we still have a few hours to go. :)

Don't worry, it will give me time to prepare my vote. Unless you want to talk about a new sig? :rant:

:D

It will be interesting starting in a half hour. I'm wondering how this voting dynamic, and realtime actions will work out. Hopefully it will give us something to work with day one.

Not that it will be much of an issue in this game but we use the Central Time Zone this game as that is what both Hoops and I reside in.

Aw, thanks, I forgot about that.

Bah! I am on the west coast and I will always refer to time in the eastern time zone since that is standard around here.

A couple of thoughts on the discussion of the day.

1. Character reveal - doesn't matter either way since it doesn't tell me anything.
2. PMs - A great concept, but as I think Alan T mentioned we really only get 2 people to talk to since we likely will need to reply. As a villager I probably wouldn't talk strategy but would like to try to get info on roles, but be very careful in the first few days if not avoid the PMs because the risk is too high.
3. My availabilty - I mentioned this when I signed up, but I have no access during the day. I have no board or e-mail access until about 8:30 PM each night. I will contribute at night, as respond at that time.

This is the longest day zero ever and wish we could get started now.

So what's the over/under on the number of times that hoops and BK have to clear their inboxes?

3

Over. Book it for as much as you'd be willing to take.