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Johnny93g 07-30-2005 11:21 AM

I agree, as ive read leaf message boards where people expect us to somehow offer the max to every legitimate star out there......I think the Toronto media is overlly critical of the leafs, ecspecially Howard Berger, who basically slams everything they do.....the players I mentioned are guys ive either seen say something, or read in the media, that want to play in Toronto, and I believe they are realistic targets. I very easily could be wrong, and we could get none of them, but as a fan, Id like to think its possible...

Honolulu_Blue 07-30-2005 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
But is that the media, or the fans on the message boards? Every team has fans who wear rose-colored glasses. The Leafs have more of those fans than anyone else because they have more desperate, dellusional, and rabid fans, period, than anyone else.

Of course, a wise man once said that the media is the message board.

(Dead silence.)

Right. Carry on.


Fixed.

You can't blame 'em. Being the #1 franchise in the NHL and not winning a Cup for like a gajillion years.

ice4277 07-30-2005 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
Being the #1 franchise in the NHL and not winning a Cup for like a gajillion years.


Can you really be the former without having any of the latter?

klayman 07-30-2005 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ice4277
Can you really be the former without having any of the latter?


In their minds, yes.

bbor 07-30-2005 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
You're my boy, bbor, but I have to ask...

Where did this "Toronto media" thing come from? Seems like everyone loves to to play the "Toronto media thinks the Leafs are the greatest" deal, and I just don't see it.

Now if you're counting Stormin' Norman as "media", fine. But the real media -- Strachan, Cox, Berger, McCown, etc. -- spend all their time crapping all over the Leafs for everything they do. Compared to a town like Ottawa, where the media practically wave pom-poms in the press box, the Toronto pundits never think the team will do anything right.

Or am I out of the loop, not living in T.O. anymore?


Cox is an Ass-clown...right up there with Fraser in my books.
Strachan...well....i don't read him....nuff said.
Berger is o.k....but he is real critical.....not Cox critical but close.
McCown knows nothing...i don't think he's been to a live sporting event since UNLV won the NCAA's.

If you listen to sports updates here every update they mention another player "coming" to Toronto....and they always add "and he's from Ontario so maybe he'll take less to come here"

Drives me fuckin nuts.

TazFTW 07-30-2005 04:21 PM

Free agency has been pushed back








12 hours. Instead of starting at midnight it will start at noon. The agents complained about being put into the position of having to call their clients during the wee morning.

Chubby 07-30-2005 09:10 PM

Sabres not qualfying Satan is pissing me off. They should have tendered him an offer then traded him for ANYTHING since that's better than the nothing we'll get for him now.

RPI-Fan 07-30-2005 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby
Sabres not qualfying Satan is pissing me off. They should have tendered him an offer then traded him for ANYTHING since that's better than the nothing we'll get for him now.


Yea', but if he turns around and accepts the offer, and nobody wants him for that price, you're stuck with him. I suspect the Sabres had an idea that nobody would have traded for him at his QO level.

Karim 07-30-2005 11:29 PM

My absolute biggest beef with the Bettman regime was removing the traditional conference and divisional names/alignment in favour of geographical alignment to satisfy newcomers to the game who 'didn't understand the funny names'. It was unique to hockey and part of its history.

This article (use http://www.bugmenot.com to by-pass registration):
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....s-hockey-print

suggests that a change back is being considered as early as next season. It would feature a return to the traditional 1 vs. 4, 2 vs. 3, divisional rivalries of the past.

The 'new' league structure could return as early as next season and would look like this:

CLARENCE CAMPBELL CONFERENCE

NORRIS DIVISION
Chicago Blackhawks
Columbus Blue Jackets
Dallas Stars
Detroit Red Wings
Minnesota Wild
Nashville Predators
St. Louis Blues

SMYTHE DIVISION
Anaheim Mighty Ducks
Calgary Flames
Colorado Avalanche
Edmonton Oilers
Los Angeles Kings
Phoenix Coyotes
San Jose Sharks
Vancouver Canucks

PRINCE OF WALES CONFERENCE

PATRICK DIVISION
Florida Panthers
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey Devils
Philadelphia Flyers
Pittsburgh Penguins
Tampa Bay Lightning
Washington Capitals

ADAMS DIVISION
Atlanta Thrashers
Boston Bruins
Buffalo Sabres
Carolina Hurricanes
Montreal Canadiens
Ottawa Senators
Toronto Maple Leafs

This would be f***ing awesome!!! What a way to repay long-time loyal fans!

bbor 07-31-2005 12:15 AM

Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper.

TazFTW 07-31-2005 05:43 AM

Interesting comment on Eklund's blog

Quote:

While I wrote this article another player, arguably one of the best at his position, instant messaged me claiming he has yet to talk to anyone from the team he played for. He said he gets the impression that the team "doesn't have a clue which way is up."

If Eklund is not bs'ing I wonder who could that be. First thought was Modano because I also follow the Stars and the only thing I've heard on the Modano front was him saying his agent will meet with Doug Armstrong during the week but apparently that did not happen because Modano then said his agent will meet with Armstrong at the draft. The problem with Modano is that I don't think people would currently consider him as one of the best at his position.

Who else? Iginla? I haven't heard anything concerning him and the Flames. Lecavalier? St. Louis? Kovalchuk?

Honolulu_Blue 07-31-2005 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bbor
Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper.


Can I get a HELL YEAH!!

Karim 07-31-2005 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW
Who else? Iginla? I haven't heard anything concerning him and the Flames.


Sutter met with Meehan in Ottawa. 'Initial talks' are underway but I think the deal could take too long and hamper Sutter's ability to sign any free agents. The RFAs really need to be in place BEFORE you go shopping.

Maple Leafs 07-31-2005 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor
Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper.

Damn right. And we also need to battle with Minnesota for the last playoff spot every year, with it coming down to the last night of the season with both teams tied with 52 points.

TazFTW 07-31-2005 03:21 PM

Interesting snippet from a TSN article.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp...66&hubName=nhl

Quote:

Niedermayer and Forsberg are probably the only two free agents who have any chance of touching $7.8 million, but one team executive who requested anonymity believes the unofficial cap on stars will be $5 million a year. That's because while the salary cap this season is set at $39 million per team based on expected league-wide revenues of $1.7 billion, several GMs believe the damage done to the business from a year without hockey will bring revenues and therefore the cap down for the 2006-07 season - perhaps as low as $35 million.
Can't wait to see how FA shapes up.

Draft Dodger 07-31-2005 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW
Interesting snippet from a TSN article.

Can't wait to see how FA shapes up.


I would say Thornton too will be up there, possibly more than Niedermeyer.

Draft Dodger 07-31-2005 03:34 PM

just saw that the Avs drafted Paul Stastny (Peter's son). very cool.

TazFTW 07-31-2005 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
I would say Thornton too will be up there, possibly more than Niedermeyer.


I don't know if he would get that this year. The Bruins don't seem to want to pay him that much and because he is an RFA, I don't see another team paying the max and giving up multiple first rounders.

RPI-Fan 07-31-2005 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
just saw that the Avs drafted Paul Stastny (Peter's son). very cool.


He's a good hockey player, saw him a few times on TV for DU.

Wolfpack 07-31-2005 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor
Leafs need to be back in the (Chuck) Norris division for things to be proper.


Trade Toronto and Nashville and it'd work. Also, you can up the bloodsport quotient by moving Colorado into the Norris, especially if the new NHL is going to place emphasis on division rivalries.

So, it'd be a Norris Division of Detroit, Toronto, Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Colorado, Minnesota and St. Louis. Feel the love.

Draft Dodger 07-31-2005 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack
So, it'd be a Norris Division of Detroit, Toronto, Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Colorado, Minnesota and St. Louis. Feel the love.


*salivates*

TazFTW 07-31-2005 10:33 PM

Stars re-sign Sergei Zubov to a 3 year deal worth $12 million.

Maple Leafs 07-31-2005 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW
Stars re-sign Sergei Zubov to a 3 year deal worth $12 million.

Interesting... helps set the benchmark in the "new" NHL. That seems higher than what I thought he'd be worth.

Honolulu_Blue 07-31-2005 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
Interesting... helps set the benchmark in the "new" NHL. That seems higher than what I thought he'd be worth.


I was thinking the exact same thing. So a 35 year old mobile, puck moving defenseman is worth $4 million a year? So when he's a 38 year old mobile, puck moving defenseman he will be counting $4 million against the cap? Huh.

Maple Leafs 07-31-2005 11:34 PM

Wait, Zubov is 35?

Jesus, I must be 100 years old now...

bbor 08-01-2005 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
Jesus, I must be 100 years old now...


That must make Muckler 175 years old then.:)

sachmo71 08-01-2005 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
I was thinking the exact same thing. So a 35 year old mobile, puck moving defenseman is worth $4 million a year? So when he's a 38 year old mobile, puck moving defenseman he will be counting $4 million against the cap? Huh.


This is the guy who paid Pierre Turgeon $7 million per year.

Honolulu_Blue 08-01-2005 10:47 AM

I have been checking out this Eklund guy's site. Since I have been following it he's batting .000. That said, it's still a fund place to check out rumors even if they're as about as accurate as me taking a dart with a free agent's name on it and throwing it at board with all 30 teams. It's about that random.

Still, I love the idea of Thornton being traded to Detroit even if it did cost us Datsyuk.

Maple Leafs 08-01-2005 10:59 AM

Leafs qualify Belak and Perrot, which would seem to be a bad sign for Domi sticking around.

They also wisely held onto Pilar... I really think this kid is going to be a good defenceman.

TazFTW 08-01-2005 11:09 AM

And the free agency period begins!

HomerJSimpson 08-01-2005 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW
And the free agency period begins!



Since I've recently gotten into EHM, it was fun to look at the Thrashers tendered/non-tendered group and feel like I knew who they were. :)

Maple Leafs 08-01-2005 12:34 PM

No announcements yet.

Maybe Naslund, Forsberg and Neidermayer's chartered plane was delayed on the way into Toronto?

Honolulu_Blue 08-01-2005 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
No announcements yet.

Maybe Naslund, Forsberg and Neidermayer's chartered plane was delayed on the way into Toronto?


The only likely explanation.

So, the Bruins get Isbister from the Oil for a 4th rounder. I hope that wasn't the "HUGE" deal O'Connell was refering to.

It's odd. The Leafs get O'Neill for a conditional 4th rounder. Isbister goes to Boston for a 4th rounder. But Philly gets a 2nd round pick from the Ducks for Todd Fedoruk? Huh?

Johnny93g 08-01-2005 01:39 PM

Roberts and Niewy to FLorida

Roberts and Nieuwendyk look like they signed with the Panthers. Both 2 year deals for 2.25 million a season.....thats a little rich, and a longer contract then i would have given them....Both still good players, but in this system, i say both are overpaid

Honolulu_Blue 08-01-2005 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g
Roberts and Niewy to FLorida

Roberts and Nieuwendyk look like they signed with the Panthers. Both 2 year deals for 2.25 million a season.....thats a little rich, and a longer contract then i would have given them....Both still good players, but in this system, i say both are overpaid


Wow. I agree. Jeff O'Neill gets $1.5 and Nieuwendyk and Roberts $2.25 each? Sacre bleu! I don't know what's going on. It's all so confusing.

Well, the Panthers get a lot older and the Leafs get younger. Keenan is a mad man.

I see this as a couple of old buddies deciding to kick it Florida-style in the twlight of their careers. Some sun. Some beach. Some fishing. It's all good...

Maple Leafs 08-01-2005 01:48 PM

I guess JFJ and Quinn had made up their minds that they weren't interested in keeping Roberts and Niewendyk. Good signing by FLA... can't believe the Sens didn't make a run at those two.

Maple Leafs 08-01-2005 01:49 PM

Eklund says Iginla signs a 3x$6.5M deal, effectively setting the bar.

TazFTW 08-01-2005 01:55 PM

Oilers trade Brad Ibister to the Bruins for a 2006 4th rounder.

sachmo71 08-01-2005 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW
Oilers trade Brad Ibister to the Bruins for a 2006 4th rounder.




Yup.

TazFTW 08-01-2005 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
Eklund says Iginla signs a 3x$6.5M deal, effectively setting the bar.


If that's true and it is the bar. The Stars better bring back Modano, the cheap bastards.


Eklund added that Iginla said he would sign for less if they went hard for Niedermeyer.

Wolfpack 08-01-2005 03:14 PM

It'll be an interesting time. I think the GMs are going to be struggling a little bit with their spending, particularly the ones that used to have a blank check. It took NFL GMs a while to get used to the cap there, but it's become such a science now. Wonder how long it'll take the NHL GMs to get used to the system and thinking in terms of both present and future cap numbers?

TazFTW 08-01-2005 03:18 PM

I've heard that some of the teams hired ex-NFL and/or ex-NBA guys to help navigate the cap.

Karim 08-01-2005 03:30 PM

Ville Niemenen was the only 'name' player not qualified by Sutter.

No doubt Sutter is working on the Iginla deal as I type because he stated unequivocally several times that no one else can be signed until Iggy is inked. It shapes the entire payroll/roster.

Honolulu_Blue 08-01-2005 06:25 PM

TSN is reporting that the Wild have signed Andrei Nazarov (no terms available) and the Blues signed Aaron Downey (no terms available).

I guess it starts not with a bang, but with a whimper...

What's with all these teams gathering tough guys? Fedoruk getting trader. Perrot/Belak signed. And now Nazarov and Downey... I love the tough guys, but I thought this was supposed to be the "kinder/gentler" NHL where speed, grace, and skill were valued over this type of brutishness.

Maple Leafs 08-01-2005 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
I thought this was supposed to be the "kinder/gentler" NHL where speed, grace, and skill were valued ...

And who better to make sure the speedy, graceful skilled guys are allowed to do their thing?

(Yes, I'm a caveman.)

General Mike 08-01-2005 07:30 PM

what are the Devils doing?

Draft Dodger 08-01-2005 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW
I've heard that some of the teams hired ex-NFL and/or ex-NBA guys to help navigate the cap.


well, the ex-NBA guy thing hasn't worked out for them so far... :rolleyes:

sachmo71 08-01-2005 08:27 PM

Downey one punched that guy from Carolina a few years ago...thing of beauty.

bbor 08-01-2005 09:00 PM

Hrm.....Newy and Roberts are gone.

Who fills the holes?

TazFTW 08-01-2005 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
What's with all these teams gathering tough guys? Fedoruk getting trader. Perrot/Belak signed. And now Nazarov and Downey... I love the tough guys, but I thought this was supposed to be the "kinder/gentler" NHL where speed, grace, and skill were valued over this type of brutishness.



Fans love hockey fights?



Also I think they want to draw in more fans by getting them nostagic for their first glimpse of hockey.






Go fat guys!


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