Does anyone want to highlight each of the Sheriff candidates?

Working in space successfully(?) as a volunteer for two years vs decades of research, study, teaching, and planning .. the choice is yours

But Saldana actually organized city planning, so by that admission, his expertise would be useful setting up the colony. Your knowledge is probably a little more theoretical. Then again, this is a new environment and not like traditional coy planning, so that could be useful. Sticking with sal for now, might switch later.

I agree, also I don't think Grover should lead because his knowledge of engineering and science makes him a flexible option to put into whichever area needs more oomph, science or engineering, whereas if he leads, he's locked down to a role.

I would assume there was much research, studying, and planning before the actual working in space part... :devil:

City planning may certainly be a useful skill, however I still maintain that the complexities of engineering projects in space require a highly disciplined and researched foundation/approach. Planning on a broad scope and practical experience are cogs in the overall machine that will be my vision for our survival and success.

Perhaps, though it sounds like he was one of the ones who helped put someone else's work into practical effect. Important person to have, yes - but to design and lead?

Can I retract votes and go back to an abstaining position at this point?

Or do I have to vote for someone else to move my vote?

I'm pushing on a two-fold front here:

1) I believe it's vital that we have the right people in charge of the projects. While some of the positions vs people's history may be unclear, and we do not have personal knowledge of each other - there are places where informed decisions can be made, and this is one of them. Do we elect the first person to indicate a modicum of experience in a field just because they spoke up first?

2) I've spent a career sharing my knowledge with others, and it's time to use it to help us survive. I fully believe I am the right person for this assignment and have no compunction asserting it.

Just for fun... I saw this article today.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/17/tech/mars-one-final-100/

just type

unvote XXXXXX for president

or whatever it is that you want to change

while i agree with your first point (note that i was the one questioning why people were voting 24 hours ahead of the deadline when half the people werent here yet) i find your second to be highly biased and dismissive of reality.

you have no practical experience doing anything, whereas i have spent a career actually planning and building exactly what we need here.

its the difference between having a black belt in Karate (which would be me), and having watched a lot of Jean Claude Van Damme movies, and then telling people how to do Karate without doing it yourself (which would be you)

I am not saying you would not be a useful member of the engineering team, i just dont think we need a classroom mind to lead it.

Remind me what your experience is, saldana? Not disputing it, just wanted a recap.

Thank you, sir. This much is incredibly true. Sure, my colleague Mr. Jackal may have decades or eons of ability in the classroom sharing his knowledge and using it to better students or enriching the lives of all he touched, how much application practice has he had?

Engineering is also a VERY broad term. What type of Engineering is Jackal a professor of? Chemical? Structural? Do we want a potential chemical engineer in charge of planning our building projects?

As far as saldana goes, yes he's done terrific work designing and planning for cities... on earth. What does he know about living and working in space? Much like Jackal he doesn't have the experience or knowledge that this Astronaut has.

i was a city planner in a major city on Earth

you lived in a tube that was 6 feet in diameter...exactly what experience or knowledge did that impart upon you that would help you build a settlement on a planets' surface?

Catching up on 4 pages or so here, may not have time to comment right now though, but will be back later.

Space survival, mate. Having to design and then execute plans to repair parts of the ISS. Space walks, working in low gravity.

What has living on earth and designing buildings for an Earthern atmosphere your entire life done to help build a settlement on a planets' surface?

I see that we are arguing for the person with the most experience in the engineering and medical field but we are ignoring it when it comes to the leader position.

Right now we have a professor and someone who hasn't claimed a past job in the lead. We should be looking for people with skills in leading people. I can do that

so you repaired something that someone else built (granted in a unique environment) and you that qualifies you to design, coordinate and build a settlement on a planet that is a completely different environment, much more similar (while still vastly different) to what I know than anything you know.

cant edit, so i have to quote,but this was a question...no way in my mind being an astronaut teaches you how to make a building that can withstand the harsh environment on this plant...its not like you BUILT the ISS or anything.

And how does city planning on earth qualify you to design facilities or even cities in a completely different environment?

I have studied the practical creation and implementation of facilities in all environments known to the human race, and have spent most of my life instructing others so that they can go forth and become city planners, and engineers in all aspects of the field.

It sounds like you have some experience seeing projects through from start to finish, which is certainly welcome, but this is a different ballgame my friend.

I'd wager that I know more about all fields of engineering, including but not exclusive to the ones you mentioned, than the rest of our entire group combined.

Piggybacking off of Zinto's comment, I see that I am not gaining much traction for Sheriff.

I'll reiterate my qualifications again. On Earth I was a private investigator, think Magnum PI. I worked in the background, getting my hands dirty doing the research and investigation necessary to point the finger at a suspect or absolve them of any complicity.

When necessary the job would require a more physically confrontational approach, and while this was rare, I was more than capable of handling these circumstances.

As we descend to the surface of Mars I will ask you to reconsider whether we are better off with my skill set, or if we want to put one of our resident mall cops in charge of finding our stowaway after we land.

This is a fun bit of jockeying for position for Day 0.

By my own arguments for Autumn and saldana, I'm not the best option for Sheriff. But I put my name out there because I don't have any dark secrets, at least none that were revealed to me, so we at least have a chance of recruiting someone good for a leadership role.

All of the engineering candidates are kind of meh. Honestly, I am not impressed with any of them. Yea, Grover worked on the ISS but as far as I am concerned he might as well have worked for ISIS.

Also, why would we build a biodome first? We are going to MARS. Science should be our first priority.

Good luck with your research when you run out of oxygen and food and unimportant stuff like that.

This has been confusing, so here is the passenger log, to the best of my knowledge.
I can't be the only one to maintain this list, but hope we can keep it updated as a group...


Science
timmae - studied science his whole life, "engineering type" (experience and skillset are ambiguous)
Raven - farmer. strong science background.
Narcizo - chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility

Doctor
Autumn - doctor and chief of staff at Boston general
Chief Rum - worked in ER (is a doctor or a nurse? never said which)
ntndeacon - EMT, but not a doctor

Sheriff
bitrock - police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes. (ie loose cannon??)
thomkal - retired Army general. primary concerns safety-both a physical sense-a sheriff chosen and patroling the immediate area. for democracy.
shoveler - Private investigator (objective - identify stowaway)
JAG - highschool football coach. experience leading and training

Engineer
Jackal - MIT Prof of Engineering
Grover - 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
saldana - city planner

Leader
DanGarion - lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic (ambigous history)
fontisian - college history professor
Zinto - CEO
Suicane - retired politician with history of public service
Crimsonfox - automechanic. enjoys moonbuggies and likes to change his vote frequently


Unknown
Schmidty, Golden Eagle, Danny, SharnK20

If we focus on science first, we can probably learn to manufacture food, oxygen , etc.

Science is the key to survival. This is not Earth where all of that stuff is served in abundance. It is a whole new ballgame once we land.

That said, I do believe a research center should be another top priority. Suppose we'll see how we adapt to the conditions in terms of a medical center, but I'd hope government won't be critical from the offset.

Some of this may get thrown out the window when we actually see what we're dealing with and get an idea of why the first mission failed.

Have the unknowns posted yet at all or are we completely in the dark on them? Coming from someone who saw lesser candidates raised first, I'd certainly like to know what we've got in those folks.

I see The Jackal, Grover and saldana together as having all the requisite pieces, but no one has all of them.

The Jackal has the theories down for what is needed to construct viable facilities on Mars. Grover has the experience and training to understand the requirements humans need in harsh environments. Saldana has the structural and organizational knowledge needed to design and build the facilities.

I think we should pick the one who is best to lead from the position, and figure the other two will help out.

I believe Schmidty and GoldenEagle have checked in so far.

Because where are we going to live? Do we have a habitat ready to go? Our suits can only hold air for so long. How long can we really live in the lander together? A Biodome is the perfect base from which to build and branch off to every other system and building we will need.

I'm sure we have the scientists who know how to produce all of these things already. Inside of a Biodome with the correct temperate zone, soil, etc, we can produce what we need.

Again, neither one of these candidates are impressive as the primary engineer. They basically do the same thing. I think I should be elected as the primary engineer. I am a computer programmer by trade. We are going to need to deep analysis of what will work on Mars. These guys would be fine if we were doing this on Earth where proven technologies work.

I can write programs that can analyze the soil, wind speed, temperature, etc. in order to build optimal structures. I don't think either Grover or Saldana can do that.

I once again want to stress we are going to an unknown environment. Science HAS to be first.

You are telling me that scientists know how to grow food on Mars already? That is going to be difficult to do, consider no one has done it before.

I am very concerned elected an engineer who doesn't put science first.

It sounds like you are making an argument to lead the research efforts..?

It's hard to say what is in our supplies, but I'd have to think we'd have some soil samples and seeds from earth in there. We build our BioDome, we can begin cultivating our own crops.

I guess we'll have to see what is in our supplies first, though I am still in favor of Biodome first, Research Center second.

I should lead the research efforts and it should be our top priority. Our supplies may or may not work on Mars. Judging but what happened to the first colony attempt, I am going to say that they don't work or at the very least we need to figure out how they work. Science is the answer to that.

My votes
Science - Raven
Doctor - Autumn
Sheriff - thomkal
Engineer - Jackal
Leader - ?

Project - BioDome


Science
I believe i am still the most qualified for the job

Doctor
Autumn's big picture experience seems to be more appropriate to lead this group, while Chief and deacon seem to have more specialized roles

Sheriff
Thomkal's Army General experience seems to be the best fit for overseeing our security needs.

Engineer
I like Grover's qualifications, but I think his role will be more hands on than "overseer", which is why I like Jackal's MIT engineering background to lead this group.

Leader
This one is tough, as I think there are multiple candidates that could do well here, but I just can't decide...

Great work, Raven. I'll update with GE's info.

Science
timmae - studied science his whole life, "engineering type" (experience and skillset are ambiguous)
Raven - farmer. strong science background.
Narcizo - chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility

Doctor
Autumn - doctor and chief of staff at Boston general
Chief Rum - worked in ER (is a doctor or a nurse? never said which)
ntndeacon - EMT, but not a doctor

Sheriff
bitrock - police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes. (ie loose cannon??)
thomkal - retired Army general. primary concerns safety-both a physical sense-a sheriff chosen and patroling the immediate area. for democracy.
shoveler - Private investigator (objective - identify stowaway)
JAG - highschool football coach. experience leading and training

Engineer
Jackal - MIT Prof of Engineering
Grover - 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
saldana - city planner
GoldenEagle - computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes

Leader
DanGarion - lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic (ambigous history)
fontisian - college history professor
Zinto - CEO
Suicane - retired politician with history of public service
Crimsonfox - automechanic. enjoys moonbuggies and likes to change his vote frequently

Unknown
Schmidty, Danny, SharnK20

How is he qualified, he sat around ordering other troops to do the actual work. This new environment, with the small size of the colony, will require our sheriff to actually do the work themselves.

If we had a battalion of sheriffs, then perhaps he would be qualified to lead them all, but we do not have such numbers.

And might I remind you that he is a retired general, which translates into "Old Man". Do you want a frail sheriff with a walker, or a young vibrant sheriff like myself?

To reiterate the background for my candidacy...

I have real, on-the-ground experience in police work... more than driving a golf cart with a green light around a parking lot. I am highly capable in fulfilling the physical duties of law enforcement. Becoming a sheriff has always been a personal goal of mine.

Understanding my role within this group as a whole, I think it would be important to establish a governance model that prescribes my duties and ensures that I enforce the laws effectively and to the proper extent.

Allow me to beat the dead horse some more.

We have an unknown among us. This individuals motivation for being here is unclear. It is very likely that this person will try to gain a position that secures their status. That position would most likely be Leader or Sheriff. Keep that in mind as you make your final decisions.

I'm not sure I want my sheriff beating dead horses.

I'm assuming that he would be the Sheriff, but would have people working with/for him. Similar to how the science, medical and engineering groups will work as a team. I doubt it will be a one man crew.

Also, I think as a Private Investigator, you have a very specific (yet important) role within this group. What will you be privately investigating while not searching for the stowaway? Figuring out who ate the last cookie from the cookie jar?

The same thing any other elected sheriff would be doing.

I wasn't aware that we had any cookies along in our supplies. Did you take them all Raven? I'll be keeping my eye on you. Best not see any crumbs on your shirt.

Then you should want to be the Scientist, not ask to be the Engineer. ;)

For once, we agree.

I am encouraging science through engineering. It makes much more sense to have someone with a science background as an engineer then someone with a construction background.

Why? Because we are going to Mars.

Actually if you could see me, you would not be calling me "Old Man". (this is from my interpretation of my ratings). I would look to be in my 40's maybe early 50's, very fit and muscular. Only my salt and pepper hair would betray my age. I have no doubt I could "keep up" quite well with my younger compatriots on this mission.

I don't think there's many baddies who would make a bold move to take a high profile spot. Depends on their character but I think most people wouldn't risk attracting the spotlight so early, especially if they're all on their own. Up to this point I probably have more faith in people who have come on strong to get a position like leader or sheriff.

I dont suppose this 22nd person is a PR guy? If so I could use some campaign assistance.

But as someone stronger suited to being a scientist, why would you being trying to encroach on those of us who are engineers?

We need you where you would be strongest.

Paul Reiser, Weyland Yutani Corp.

Okiecokie - I've got to go. I'm a sucker for voting patterns however trivial they might be at the time. So I'll vote to keep things close but won't vote for anyone who has voted for government building. I think there's a lot to be said for concentrating on science after we get a foothold on the planet but I would say that.

Despite my time problems I don't believe anyone has/can have better scientific credentials than I do. Otherwise I'd vote for Raven.

How are you guys voting DanGarion for Leader when he is the person we have the least amount of background information on??

Yeah, I don't see that one. I'm a bit unsure where to go with Leader, but I think we need whoever we pick to be very upfront and forthright about experience and interests.

What are these time problems you keep mentioning. Could you please provide us with further detail?

I believe he mentioned earlier in the thread that he had limited time to commit to WW.

Ah ok. I wasn't sure if this was some odd trait of his character.

I think it is pretty apparent that we all started out with similar goals. A group goal to start production on a certain project and a personal goal to win a respective position in the leadership

What we need is someone who can get their hands dirty and has experience leading. I can do both.

Also, I have more practice at making motivational speeches. WIN ONE FOR THE ZIPPER!

Yeah. Just that he operates on European time, so isn't around for deadlines.

Narc already made this point, but I don't think that's an assumption that can be made. On one hand they could pull strings from such a position, but there's also going to be a bright spotlight on them, so it could be more difficult to sabotage things from the front rather than from the shadows.

You're killing my campaigning platform..

I think everyone is failling into groupthink here and just voting for what was suggested at first. We all need to take a step back and evaluate our priorities before landing.

:lol:

you forgot likes pizza and walks on the beach

i think we are. People are evaluating what's been said before and voting based on that and when new people show up, some people are changing. Although I DO hope everybody checks back in and rethinks when they get the full picture

speaking of which.

engineer Grover

yeah the space thing tips it in monkey's favor. and the bananas.

so narcizo, do you have any more detail other than 'chemist'?
I actually was hoping there was an 'ist' in the group.

well he's alive :D

Don't stop throwing out ideas though, you're doing great.

Based on chemist and "narc" being his user name, he is clearly Walter White.

Sharkn20 and Danny are the only two we have no info on this far, I believe.

okay DanG I'll give ya a shot.
I better get tuesday's off

leader dangarion

Project: Science Research Facility

If government isn't going to fly, I'd prefer this.

:lol:
well then our weekends are set

Your scientist is here, I spent a lot time between computers and improving our hability to research could benefit the group in the middle time... What do you think about guys?

DanGarion what was your career on Earth?

Your scientist was lost trying to find out what happened checking the black box! Time to vote me as the project investigator!!

Went with science research facility as Government seems to be a losing proposition. I still feel very strongly about having some order in place when we land. Hopefully our leader can establish that order without our main focus. I think science can help with food, weather conditions, help guide design of any structures, etc. Heck, we may need science and engineering to figure out the biodome.

+1 :popcorn: Now you have to choose your best scientist, so Sharkn20 is the guy!

What is your history? What areas can you excel at to lead the science team?? I want to know more as it now seems as though we have a stronger scientific aim maybe..

What is the max number of an skill to start with?? Newbie question :)

I was a profesional gamer who spent all the time developing my skills! And then I decided to apply to go to Mars

I'd PM that to EF since we aren't supposed to discuss skill values publicly - and this isn't a traditional werewolf game so that's not a newbie question at all. ;)

I have karate class tonight, so i will be out for a while

SharkN20, can you explain a little bit more what you are offering to us as the lead scientist...i apologize but i didnt really get what you were saying your role/ability is

gonna put my votes out, subject to change if Danny arrives or Shark can shed a little clarity for us

scientist - narcizo
doctor - autumn
sheriff - thomkal
engineer - saldana
leader - suicane
action - biodome

Can someone re-post the leader candidates and backgrounds if they have a chance?

Wondering about how close this is to the norm also as I myself am a newb. Counting on the WW vets to set me straight as I venture off path! Lol..