2 in the thread, 1 signing up, 1 since the game started explaining that he didn't know the name of the role he was given and was going to look it up.

FYI. These are ntn's two posts in the thread.

Well do you actually have a read on The Jackal? 'Cause I don't see how making a run on PB or BrianD would be any different.

Yes.

DT, the only 100% trusted player at the moment, gave a pretty clear indication of what he'd like to see happen.

And I asked for a clarification. You see something wrong with that?

hi all!

couple thoughts... from reading 9 pages of posts.

NTN NEVER says anythign, why should he start now?

so we know DT is Jack? and we know Jack is good? soo..... why would the wolves just not kill him?

it looks its been decided that roles mean nothing (characters that is) so why havnt people revelaed? I think i saw 1 or 2.... but I wanna know how the hot chicks are!

oh and I have never watched 24.... just an FYI

My guess is that there's some sort of mechanic that make this particularly difficult for the wolves.

And welcome to the game clap.

awww damn...hi clappyroo!!

cuz if he doesn't say anything he'll get lynched?

what telle said.

people are invited to reveal to me via PM. that way i can coordinate things and hook up people who should be talking (seer & bg for example), without giving the wolves targets (powers partially based on the tv show possibly)

Sometime or other people are going to take heat for that, especially when there are no slipups or events on day 1 to guide voting.


I'm sure there's a mechanism in place that prevents the wolves from killing Jack, at least for a little while. They might have to kill a certain person, or have some sort of other trigger to kill Jack - or he's invincible, I mean, he never dies on the show, right?


Well, I think it has been suggested that we'd rather have the wolves pick from us blindly than try to match roles based to characters they might think are important, and that it'd only net us 1, maybe 2 wolves because of the extra roles they know aren't in the game. I'm not sure where that path would lead us, but its hard to see it being beneficial for the village. If at some point it appears to be, I'm willing to hear it out, sure.

and yes i'm fully aware i'll get fake-reveals from the wolves. in fact i'd be surprised if i haven't already got at least 1.

Sorry for the cross-posting, the site is loading real slow for me.

ok, thanks Jackyl... I read 9 pages in 20 min :)

From DT:

"I'd rather see votes on NTN (usually quiet) PB (no read yet), or Brian (no read yet) than Jackal,"

I thought it was a perfectly clear statement myself. I think DT would've already expanded on it if he felt a need to do so further (even though he did reply to you).

Welcome.

please play nice. no need for sniping

unless its of the enemy of course! :D

Vote ntn

Vote strictly on the basis of he hasn't been around and DT said he didn't want votes to go towards Jackal.

Honestly, I suspect that DT is probably unkillable.

wit no lathum... someone has to entertain us!

cant be unkillabel... maybe a % chance? and not a high one? cant play like that!

I am sure this has been settled by now, but just to put my two cents in. Lynches are better than non lynches to me as well.

You are in luck. ;)

ok enough with the voting for me. We do this every game and every time you are wrong. Try being wrong on someone else for a change!

Vote TheJackal

I wont respond as I have to go to class.

I'm not explicitly saying that anybody is good or not at this point people. Because there could certainly be disinformation being spread - in fact I expect there is.

But right now I think there are higher probabilities than going after someone who has been active.

You'd think so. From the little I know about 24, I know that Jack Bauer is like a fictional Chuck Norris ;). I mean, seriously, you'd imagine that Jack is somewhat protected.

re: you know who you are
--if it's one time only then save it. if not then ok

Anybody have the updated tally with percentages?

As of Post 436:

1 - Path: nfg (305, 11:35 PM)
5 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am), BrianD (370, 11:16 AM), Tyrith (388, 10:40 AM), ntndeacon (431, 12:58 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
7 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am), DaddyTorgo (371, 11:20), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), Alan T (389, 10:42 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM)
2 - PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Telle (411, 11:51 AM)

By %:

ntndeacon: 29%
The Jackal: 21%
PB: 8%
BrianD / Path: 4%

Note: So almost 15 hours in and 29% is not enough.

Impossible...I would kill him.

I know it has been said that NTN is quiet but this is abd if only one post so far. maybe he is buys but if so then maybe we can free him up..


UNVOTE PATH12
VOTE NTNDEACON

Well we know that the percentage required goes down, and it gets to 40% at 23:00. So whatever it is now, it's higher than 40%.

Also, reading the rules again, I don't think that we get no lynch if we never get 40% -- I think that at 24:00:00, it drops to 0%.

okay time to vote: I don't really like the idea of voting out the mod of the previous game on day 1 unless there's an in-game reason to do so, so I will:

vote NTNdeacon

nothing against you ntn, you are just the one with the votes besides Jackal.

I think it was said that he had 2 posts. He's made 2 more now, though, and has 4.

For the record, I missed Jack's subtle hint, so I am glad he was asked to be more direct.

Unvote The Jackal
Vote PurdueBrad

It's still early -- there's no reason to get distracted by the possibility of an early lynch. I really don't like the idea of a Day 1 bandwagon with over 6 prime daytime hours left. If we're not voting The Jackal that's fine, but there are plenty of other not-The Jackal candidates out there.

Yes but i meant one cause signing up does not count as a game post in my book.

As of Post 446:

4 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana(343, 9:10 am), Tyrith (388, 10:40 AM), ntndeacon (431, 12:58 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
9 - NTN: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am), DaddyTorgo (371, 11:20), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), Alan T (389, 10:42 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM), nfg22 (439, 1:41 PM), Thomkal (441, 1:42 PM)
3 - PB: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Telle (411, 11:51 AM), BrianD (443, 1:43 PM)

Yet to vote: Danny, Autumn, Schmidty, Chief Rum, ISiddiqui, henry296, claphamsa

By %:

ntndeacon: 38% (37.5% to be exact)
The Jackal: 21%
PB: 13%
BrianD: 4%

Okay -- then he has 3. :p

yes he does....though not much was said. then again im sure RL is involved, to add....Day one there is not much argument you can make besides a reveal of epic proportion.

Thanks. Sometimes the sheep mentality gets to us all. Remember also some of these votes were only since I was not around.

% for The Jackal above should be 17%.

I will grant you that but neither should the nonsensical goofing around that happened prior to the game actually starting count either.

That's true Pass, but its day 1 and so far no one has come forth with an in-game reason to vote for anybody I think, and Jack Bauer has suggested we vote for ntn amongst others, so hence my vote. Is there another person you think we should be voting for at this point?

vote jackyl!

I see no way DT could have any insider info about Jackyl... and I hate endlessly voting for someone who is always quiet, simply because they are quiet.

And let me say this now that we are on the subject of my not talking. in the last few games I have played it has not me that has been at the bottom of the rung in terms of discussion. I am just an easy scapegoat. I am about to go look and see who started this run on me and change my vote off of Jackal. If I can't be saved then I need to make sure I am not being a sheep either.

I am sure he will agree, but let me say Jack Bauer did not know anything about who I am or what my allegiances might be. The only thing he said about me is Iam quiet. That is the SOLE reason any of you are voting for me.

Are you saying in regards to my posts? Take those two out..I still have been very active.

edit: take those three out.

I believe he didnt say to vote for you but to not vote for Jackal...that was my take at least.

I'm back and fixed, I think.

I'm wary of the bandwagon on ntn myself. I will be voting for Purduebrad right now simply because he's the other main candidate (other than Jackal). I hope to be around to switch if something better comes along.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

quite honestly ntn is there a reason to vote anybody else at this point? Give me an in-game reason to vote someone else and I will consider it. I have nothing against you, we just have to vote for somebody at this point.

yay Autumn, glad you got it fixed!

ntn, my hunch is The Jackal sent DT a PM telling him what his role was. Is there a reason that you feel uncomfortable doing the same thing at this point?

this is starting to look a lot like a run...i can always get back into it later, but i don't want any shenanigans to push things over the top

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

+1

What makes you think I haven't? As soon as I got back from class I did do that very thing.

confirmed

i believe that in with the people who have sent me roles so far there are doubtless wolves. however i don't think all the wolves have.

therefore my thinking is: choose from those who have and risk taking out a known-quantity villager trying to hit one of the wolves who did, or

b) choose from those who haven't and try to get a wolf and if it's a villager then they will likely reveal to me

so that is what has been informing my decision-making

I guess the silence from DT about it? I figured that if you had, he would have said something, or unvoted you, which he hadn't when I had posted that.

and a +1 to the person who utilized their power on me. i will not reveal them yet, unless they are under pressure of course.

my silence is primarily a result of the 20 different tasks i've been ping-ponging between today

Ok, based on DT's unvote of NTN, I'm going to make a decision:

Vote Purdue Brad

No worries, I wasn't even trying to accuse him of not doing it -- I was just trying to help him out in case he hadn't.

I was actually referring to the large number of posts prior to the start of the game regardless of who said them. In fact, I thought a lot of the posts in night 0 were of a similar ilk. That was the reason I did not post then. I couldn't do anything useful at the time. I am hopeful my abilities will become useful as we move along.

Ntn has showed up now and has been active in the conversation since arriving, so I'll wait to hear more from him. Now to consider where to look instead.

Unvote ntndeacon

In terms of in game reasons, look at AlanT and Kwhit's votes for me. Especially KWhit's. Alan used the moldy chestnut that I am under the radar too often. Kwit just said it was an interesting horse race before he started to put the "race " out of reach. Therefore
Unvote Jackal
Vote KWhit

I think I've read/skimmed most of the thread but I really need to catchup on things like work, clients, etc. I'll post my thoughts when I can get back.

+1 what?

Lucky for me I moved my vote just before you posted this! :)

My point still remains though. People who talk often, it is easy to find either holes in their story or some way to confirm what they are believing.

People who just show up, vote and nothing else, I have a very hard time figuring out. So no criticism of your play style, but it is one I always have a tough time figuring out. So if I take a roll of the dice on someone on day 1, without much else to go on, that is as good as anything else.

I will say at least Alan's vote had the apperance of a reason which Kwits did not. niether did the first vote of JAG this morning. But as a first vote I overlooked it for now

It was indeed serendipitous. I wouldn't have had as much problem with your reason if it had been the first to mention it. Yes I am quieter than several here. I am rarely going to have as many posts as Danny or you for instance. There are some I do pass, even before they get voted out.

I actually gave my reason in a post before the voting one so I didn't feel a need to rehash it. I'm glad to see you actively engaged now. At this moment I'm keeping my vote on you, but it's not set in stone.

I'll go with NTN here. Seems he is stepping up.

UNVOTE NTN DEACON
VOTE KWHIT

I don't think everyone needs to be a post whore, but the village needs everyone's help providing at least some analysis, thoughts on suspicious activity that others may have missed, and so forth for reasons that Alan laid out above.

Yeah, I didn't figure there was a need to be the first to mention it since it is a pretty common philosophy in most every game anyways. My two options usually in the early game is to either wait until late to vote and try to go with my gut instinct based on the day 1 action, or to go with someone who is under the radar with the assumption that if I am wrong it might hurt us less than going after someone who if bad will lynch themselves with their own actions later on.

Since this game there is no fixed deadline to get a vote in before later on, and I'm simply not able to be here as much this game to get a great read on people, I chose option B.

ok JAG, I must have missed it. I will go back and look for it.

For the record, I voted for you because you were almost completely silent in the game at the time (which is why I pointed out a few posts after my vote that you had only 2 posts in the thread at the time and that one of those was the sign up post). Just because I didn't say "I am voting for NTN because he hasn't said a single meaningful word in the thread as of yet" doesn't mean that I didn't have a reason.

As of Post 486:

4 - The Jackal: Purdue Brad (328, 8:16 AM) saldana (343, 9:10 am), Tyrith (388, 10:40 AM), claphamsa (453, 1:55 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)
6 - ntndeacon: JAG (332, 8:31 AM) path (360, 9:42 am), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM), Thomkal (441, 1:42 PM)
5 - PurdueBrad: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Telle (411, 11:51 AM), BrianD (443, 1:43 PM), Autumn (459, 2:08 PM), ISiddiqui (471, 2:24 PM)
2 - KWhit: ntndeacon (475, 2:30 PM), nfg22 (482, 2:39 PM)

Yet to vote: Danny, Schmidty, Chief Rum, henry296, DaddyTorgo, AlanT

By %:

ntndeacon: 25%
PurdueBrad: 21%
The Jackal: 21%
KWhit: 8%
BrianD: 4%

FYI everyone - this is the worst possible day for this to happen, but i am swamped at work with trying to get some stuff out the door by the time i leave. So i have a bunch of people's PM's that i want to respond to, but I'm under the gun. Be patient with me.

do you still have the 4 limit we all do?

True, however it also happens to be with a surge making it less of a two horse race and into a avalanche of support for my exit form the game. That raises my suspicions. I imagine (if I survive) that I will have a stronger view on someone tomorrow. At least in terms of a day one vote, that gives a stronger reason to vote than they havent said anything thus far.

End of post 319 or 320 (I forget now). It was basically the same reason as everyone else, you hadn't said anything other than to check in.

No. At the time I made my vote, it was only a one vote advantage for the jackal (I made it 2 - still anything but a runaway this early in the 24 time period). So I wanted to keep it at a 2 horse race and picked the person who hadn't really posted in the thread. That's all.

That was my main reason, and I may have been first IIRC.

Is there anyone who hasn't checked in yet? I don't have time to go back and check.

Not too much to go on here. Right now I am leaning towards a Kwhit or PB vote.

The lowest post counts now from people in the game are:

henry296 - 3
Chief Rum - 4

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

Let's see how the next couple hours develop.

some of you may receive PM's in response - all of you certainly will not. That's as much as I'm willing to say - I don't want to let too much about powers slip out there.

I'm having to respond to the PM's where I feel it can make the most impact.

If I were to change my vote, I would rather go with BrianD than KWhit. Reasoning being that a. DT said he didn't have a read on him in post 401 and b. He was the first to put someone (The Jackal) at 3 votes breaking a 4-way tie of 2 votes.

FWIW I do not have any idea what either of them are.

Im down for anyone...i just need a reason...my votes are never set in stone.

well with what is going on, i need to change, but i hate runaways at the beginning..too many places to hide.

unvote the jackal
vote purduebrad

Frankly, I'm pretty confused about what we're trying to accomplish here. I'll vote for whoever - I've got nothing - but doesn't it generally behoove us to stick to the same guys and make the wolves actually pick a side, instead of squirming around? The movement gives a lot of cover to setting up a lynch they want, I think.

Now PB has 6 votes, ntn has 5, and Jackal has 3. But we only have one candidate with any momentum - PB. This needs to not turn into a runaway.

you're right Tyrith - runaway's tell us nothing. close votes often tell us nothing if we have 2 villagers, but at least have the potential to tell us something.