Don't we all.

holmes would be a good choice also *nods*

I'm ready with my pick

ok this will get us through my pick.
3.9-Theodore Roosevelt-Chief Diplomat-U.S.-20th century

I see galaril here to so hopefully we can get a nice run

....Damn.

3.10 Aristotle, Scientist - Pre 20th Century, Greece

He was the first scientist and pretty much everything that came after what based on his work or scientific principles.

Shit you.%$#@

Give me a minute.

I like this one a lot

Meh. I think there were better US choices. Kissinger, for example

I don't think so... a lot of math and science comes from the ancient Egyptians. Just saying...

my reason for picking him was basically he stopped a war. The Russo Japanese war was stopped due to his diplomacy and earned him a Nobel Peace Prize in the midst.

I know. I didn't figure it was for his Big Stick diplomacy

not horrible. but there are a lot of good greek picks. Please remember to put in your country though. Some of our picks won;t be that obvious.

+1

I was debating between Bismarck and Kissinger.

I was going to take Kissinger if Marco Polo had been taken.

I'm ready once Galaril goes.

God help him if he steals my pick

so there's nothing worse then when you have a pick, and you are amazed it fell and there is one guy ahead of you and he takes forever.

It can always be worse.
He could take it.

Yup, totally agree

I think Lathum's choice was taken.

:)

I like the Ben Franklin pick but I would have put him as diplomat.

I think taking Einstein not as American was a mistake. It allowed a good scientist to hit the board from America, and this is the consequence.

nope

America diplomat already taken with Teddy

Me too.

Damn it! I was going to pick him next round. :mad:

Okay Lathy whatcha got fer us?

Agreed. I was surprised he wasn't taken as American.

I thought about JPJ, but I didn't know if he actually did anything or whether it was just the one fight.

Over Farragut?? Huh. I didn't see that.

Scotland is not a country

didnt we already go over this

I am sure you meant U.K Latham as Scotland is not a country.

I like Franklin as a scientist, but agree with those who suggest he makes a better diplomat.

I thought there was some ruling about this last night that made it Scotland

Me too. But someone decided to pick Teddy Roosevelt instead:)

Like Karl Marx, I think he does double duty and is a good pick, especially with the American bias in the voters.

Frankly I considered Nimitz as my American Navy presence, being 20th century and all.

Okay Galaril - amaze us!

Yup

I fear we would have 10 or 12 founding fathers on the list and there was not that much talent there, but we revere them. Luckily, we've largely stayed away. I would've shot someone for taking Washington as their army chief, for example.

One minute.

larry - do we have a ruling on Scotland for Wallace?

Damn Galaril, cockblocked my pick in round 4

Sorry brotha.

Now see, I thought Hitler would have been an inspired Diplomat pick before Otto went.

I think you get good value for Hitler here.

Surprised he was still available. Hopefully Ghandi can keep him in check.

I was thinking Smith was ruled from Scotland, I'll let Larry put him in for UK, I dont want to edit my pick

I'm still inwardly fuming over the Mill pick. I got cockblocked in category and nation by a pick that I think is inferior to mine. Grrr!!!

DT was just whining about it.

I look forward to the vote rational on that one later;)

Do we really think that Ben Franklin is the best American scientist of either pre 20th or 20th+?

Yay, ntndeacon!

No, but I think people will see his name and think it's a major name.

On my way home, so if it gets to me, brief wait.

I'm off. Send a pm to larry in case m yturn rolls around

There are aton of great ones and I bet the ones you are thinking of were among the others three specifically I kept going back and forth with. But, in the end I like old Ben's breadth of work as opposed to one guy who had one or two major inventions.

4.4-Tobias Michael Carel Asser-Justice Minister-The Netherlands-20th century

He is one of the founders of the Court at The Hague

Edison?

I think Franklin, because of his versatility is a great pick. Best scientist? Maybe, maybe not, but someone I'd want in my cabinet for the breadth he could offer.

Two more to go and I'll be pissed if DT or CW takes my pick.

Good point.

It certainly wouldn't please the man, but Scotland counts as UK/GBR/whatever you want to call it.

cool. The pick is still valid, I just didn't want to make any edits to the original pick

Damn you! was going to be my diplomat!

damn - so i'm up again already? yikes

really? i'm surprised this guy has fallen...

Don't you dare.

were you thinking a scientist CW?

If I was, it'd be useless, since I have Einstein. :)

Am I going to have kick one or both of your tails?

4.5 ISAAC NEWTON, SCIENTIST, UNITED KINGDOM, PRE-20TH CENTURY

He still ranks ahead of Einstein as the most influential scientist in human history according to surveys of scientists done over the past few years.Without him...we're nowhere.

Seriously. The suspense is killing me, especially because I am holding off doing something until my pick comes around and sooner is better than later.

Great choice DT.

4.6 Charlemagne, Leader/Ruler, France, Pre-20th

Said to be the father of Europe, the first Holy Roman Emperor, and united a whole major part of Europe.

Excellent pick, DT and one I had as a backup plan for scientist.

4.7 Hammurabi - Justice Minister - Iraq - Pre-20th Century

When a nation needs to have a code of laws, who better to draw upon than the man who established the first code in human history? Some of the edicts might seem draconian to modern American minds, but that's what the other members of the Cabinet are for.

I was hoping he would drop just a few more spots.

nice - i considered him as my justice minister, but i feel like he wasn't necessarily the one who like...conceived of all of them necessarily...idk - maybe i'm wrong about that though

I feel like we should have had a "thinker" category of which he'd have been perfect. Franklin would also have been strong there, as would many of the other famous philosophers/public intellecturals.

Wow. I really thought I was going to be able to slip that one in in like the 6th round.

Larry: any chance of getting the first page updated as we wait on noop?

It's too shallow a category to risk it. There was only other backup I thought of just now after I made the pick and I would've scrambled outside of that. So yeah, took it while it was there. :D

Can't fault you at all.

That was my pick, so you guessed right.

Good deal.

give me a sec

In my mind, he's the #1 overall Military leader up for grabs. Considering where he started and what he ended up with, I can't think of another military commander who was more impressive.

Nice last couple of picks.

It was between Franklin and this guy when I was picking.

Yup, him and Graham Bell were on my list.

He's actually a good choice for Ruler/Leader too.