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DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 02:48 PM

dola

and yes i'm reaching my breaking point with it.

RendeR 06-24-2008 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759463)
Sal was sticking up for his best friend whose charecture had just been attacked, I would do the same thing for him.

Render basicly said he is voting for me because he doesn't want to listen to me argue with people for the next 4 days.

What Render doesn't seem to have figured out is arguing is a big part of werewolf. Saldana was referencing the fact that when Render started playing he reguarally told people they were stupid, dropped the f bomb, etc... To my knowledge I have never attacked someone as a person in a werewolf argument.

Do I love to argue. Yes
Do I go after people. Yes.
Is that a part of the game. Yes.

Renders post really rubbed me the wrong way, it came off very much like "I don't want to deal with this guy's style so I am going to vote him off" and I actualy found it insulting to my character.



Tosses Lathum a bottle of wine, drink up ;)


Seriously, I agree with the theory that you could well have been forced into wolf hands. its very plausible, you are constantly under scrutiny, why not make that work for the village based on the draft order?

The crap about you badgering people for days on end was more or less in fun, As with my own reputation, if you play a certain way then you have to deal with the results. I do it every game. You've earned a reputation for arguing for the sake of arguing, its day 1, why the hell would I want to listen to that for the entire game? easier to find out what you are today?

I'm quite open to changing my vote, give me a good reason to do so instead of whining that "render doesn't like me" (tongue pressed firmly in cheek)

:p

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759461)
to be fair, sal hasn't played in a while RendeR



Hence the welcome back sign?? Really, has everyone had their cheerios pissed in today?

Relax people, christ. If I was really trying to be an asshole I'd have done a MUCH better job, quit being so touchy =)


:banana::jester::banana::jester::devil::banana::devil:

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:06 PM

nobody pissed in my cheerios. i didn't have any this morning. in fact i didn't have anything today that anyone could have pissed in...unless someone pissed in the water fountain...lol

PackerFanatic 06-24-2008 03:10 PM

I had Captain Crunch Berries. And they were tasty (and void of piss, as far as I know)

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759482)
no popcorn needed.

I like Cronin to much to shit on his game.

Render has has a bug up his ass about me since the day he started playing this game,, I mean jesus, I didn't even mention his name this game and he started giving me shit.

DT clearly had no problem with my arguments. I've never had problems with CR, Path, Alan, Hoops, BK, JEHeinze, Ollie or anyone elso as far as I know of that I have had many arguments with.

I'm not really concerned that my style of play is the problem, I guess Render is just to sensitive.


Dude, I'm not the one pitching a fit here over a stupid remark that really meant nothing =)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759487)
maybe.

but your the person who people always say " I won't lynch BK day 1 because he is to valuable as a villager"

just saying.


So you're jealous that BK is valued as a villager while instead you're feared as a wolf?

I'm not seeing the issue....I'd be pleased as punch if people feared me the way they fear you being in the game as a wolf. Seriously.

claphamsa 06-24-2008 03:13 PM

no editing posts!

st.cronin 06-24-2008 03:13 PM

PackerFanatic: Editing of posts is not allowed in a werewolf game.

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759608)
nobody pissed in my cheerios. i didn't have any this morning. in fact i didn't have anything today that anyone could have pissed in...unless someone pissed in the water fountain...lol



Maybe I'm just really irritating people today =) do i smell? I used deoderant, aftershave too ;) WAIT! I'm wearing my Orange Carson palmer Jersey, that must be it.

I look like a giant pumpkin so it must be I get to be the designated asshole ;)


*chuckles*

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:14 PM

having posts count is so great. nobody tell the HNIC

PackerFanatic 06-24-2008 03:15 PM

Apologies guys - there was nothing of substance in my post, just making sure I made it well known that I was eating Crunch BERRIES.

It won't happen again.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:15 PM

oooooh! PF made a boo-boo. Kinda like that other packer!

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759622)
Maybe I'm just really irritating people today =) do i smell? I used deoderant, aftershave too ;) WAIT! I'm wearing my Orange Carson palmer Jersey, that must be it.

I look like a giant pumpkin so it must be I get to be the designated asshole ;)


*chuckles*


carson palmer? blech!!

carson palmer=bengals=cincinnati=ohio=lyingcheatingwhoreville=blech

although lyingcheatingwhore hates cincinnati ("the capital of northern kentucky") so i guess by virtue of that I ought to be okay with the bengals.

claphamsa 06-24-2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759622)
Maybe I'm just really irritating people today =) do i smell? I used deoderant, aftershave too ;) WAIT! I'm wearing my Orange Carson palmer Jersey, that must be it.

I look like a giant pumpkin so it must be I get to be the designated asshole ;)


*chuckles*

I wish i could wear benglas jerseys at work!

I would wear my henry #15 every day!

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759629)
carson palmer? blech!!

carson palmer=bengals=cincinnati=ohio=lyingcheatingwhoreville=blech

although lyingcheatingwhore hates cincinnati ("the capital of northern kentucky") so i guess by virtue of that I ought to be okay with the bengals.




I should smite you for this post on so many levels......:devil:

GoldenEagle 06-24-2008 03:21 PM

Couple of questions...

1) Is there a history of arguing between Lathum and Render?

2) Is PackerFanatic's editing of his post intentional?

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759632)
I should smite you for this post on so many levels......:devil:


smite me?? why??

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1759633)
Couple of questions...

1) Is there a history of arguing between Lathum and Render?

2) Is PackerFanatic's editing of his post intentional?


Yes

No

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1759633)
Couple of questions...

1) Is there a history of arguing between Lathum and Render?

2) Is PackerFanatic's editing of his post intentional?



There is a historyof us going back and forth a bit, but nothing over the top as far as I can recall. At least not since oh...december-ish? Last year I really was the asshat extraordinaire most games. And Lathum , being lathum would tend to push those buttons and see how fast I would implode =)

So there is some there yes. Since december I've tried very hard to avoid the whole implosion idea, its simply not a good way to play because no one listens to you when you rant and rave constantly.

Which today led to my comment about lathum, he's tends to sink his teeth into someone and not let go. He and DT started a back and forth and I commented that I'd rather vote Lathum than deal with days of teeth knashing bickering. It was half in jest, granted only half, but he took it badly.

What was the question again?:confused:

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759635)
Yes

No



Damn you and your simpleton ways. :D

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759634)
smite me?? why??



You denegrated the awesome power and beauty that is Carson Palmer and the Cincinnati Bengals. :rant::lol::rant::lol:






*trying to out smiley everyone's assumption that my comments are meant to be acerbic*

PackerFanatic 06-24-2008 03:28 PM

Honestly, my post edit was NOT intentional. I was involved in the off-topic discussion on pissing in cereals and had forgotten about the no-edit rule (it has been quite a while since I have played a WW game) - so please don't look so far into it.

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:29 PM

haha...no wait...smite me why??

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:29 PM

haha

and you beat me to the answer re:smiting

Lathum 06-24-2008 03:36 PM

I actualy never argue for the sake of arguing, I am always trying to get a read on players, be it for this game or future games.

and I never said anywhere that I was jealous of barkeep. I was saying he is a good candidate for the cunning wolf because he often gets a pass day 1 as a valuable villager but is always an early scan. Thats a lethel combination.

oliegirl 06-24-2008 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759516)
she's my only coworker, and she has a bf, and he'll be there

:lol:


Ooh - 3 Way!!!! :thumbsup:

Lathum 06-24-2008 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759599)

I'm quite open to changing my vote, give me a good reason to do so instead of whining that "render doesn't like me" (tongue pressed firmly in cheek)




not sure what argument I can make on day 1 that I haven't already made.

You have done a good job of making this a possible runaway

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759555)
was just curious because KY is my sales-territory (I have everything north of virgins and west or Latino...


Fixed


Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1759563)
That's a HUGE territory!
Last question of the derailment - what do you sell?



:devil::devil::devil:
What you missed this part? he's a Lube Mman!

oliegirl 06-24-2008 03:41 PM

The fact that Lathum called Saldana his BFF really has me giggling. I've never in my life heard a guy refer to another guy as a BFF. It's good to see you are both so comfortable with your feminine side :)

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759660)
not sure what argument I can make on day 1 that I haven't already made.

You have done a good job of making this a possible runaway



hate to break this to you but *I* haven't made it much of anything. You already had 3 votes and there is still a full day before deadline. Relax man. Yer getting way overworked on a day 1 vote.

As with any day 1 vote its always open to changing. I'm not a fan of runaways either so if someone else doesn't garner some votes I may well make that happen tomorrow.

Danny 06-24-2008 03:45 PM

Guys, be careful about getting our votes too spread out. We should try and force the wolves to use the cunning wolf to make kills as much as possible.

Some of the reasoning for Lathum seems as good as any first day logic, so, I will Vote Lathum

Lathum 06-24-2008 03:51 PM

I'm the seer.

Telle 06-24-2008 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759680)
I'm the seer.


A whole 22 hours until deadline and you thought you needed to come out already? For our sake let's hope you're the false seer.

Lathum 06-24-2008 03:52 PM

I actualy am pretty sure I am the fake seer though

DaddyTorgo 06-24-2008 03:54 PM

lathum's the seer?

that'd be interesting. i need to go have this lil party-thing i'll have to respond to this later.

GoldenEagle 06-24-2008 03:54 PM

Is there usually this much bantering not about WW? There seems to be a lot of non werewolf talk going on. I am not making anything of it, just pointing it out.

Lathum 06-24-2008 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1759686)
A whole 22 hours until deadline and you thought you needed to come out already? For our sake let's hope you're the false seer.


cmon Telle, I have 5 votes already and there is no decent argument I can make. Plus anyone who already has a vote is going to switch to me also out of self preservation.

My guess is Poli assumed something like this would happen and picked me as the fake seer, that way if I was killed early it would eliminate some confusion.

GoldenEagle 06-24-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759680)
I'm the seer.


So you will be dead on day 1 regardless? You will either get voted off or killed by the wolves on the first night.

Telle 06-24-2008 03:56 PM

Eh.. I would have waited until at least tomorrow morning. Just seems really premature to me.

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759680)
I'm the seer.



Umm, this is not the way to get people to believe you....:eek:

Alan T 06-24-2008 03:57 PM

I agree that it seems a bit premature for that reveal.

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1759700)
Eh.. I would have waited until at least tomorrow morning. Just seems really premature to me.



What she said.

LoneStarGirl 06-24-2008 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759168)
I don't think Hoops would pick someone like myself, BK, Alan, etc... as the cunning, it just seems like such an obvious move.

but Hoops copuld have picked one of us just for that reason.


I think Hoops is smart enough that he KNEW we would think this... so with that in mind I really believe that one of the BIG 3 should be the first couple to go.

Telle 06-24-2008 03:58 PM

Could be you're a wolf and figured you're going down so might as well make a play to try and draw the real seer out.

RendeR 06-24-2008 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1759695)
Is there usually this much bantering not about WW? There seems to be a lot of non werewolf talk going on. I am not making anything of it, just pointing it out.




not normally on Day one, this is just one of those "special" days :)

KWhit 06-24-2008 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759680)
I'm the seer.


Not sure I buy that.

Quote:

I actualy am pretty sure I am the fake seer though

That makes more sense, but I'm still not sold.

SnDvls 06-24-2008 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1759695)
Is there usually this much bantering not about WW? There seems to be a lot of non werewolf talk going on. I am not making anything of it, just pointing it out.


I've been out of the loop too long, but it does seem like there is more from previous games I've played in.

I think if we pared it all down we'd have 2-3 pages of good WW talk...and you can include this post in the non-good talk.

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1759700)
Eh.. I would have waited until at least tomorrow morning. Just seems really premature to me.


no need to wait, by tomorrow I would have had 10-12 votes and 5 hours to change peoples minds.

like GE said, I am dead either way so lets hope I am the fake seer.

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:02 PM

Seriously, for those who think I should have waited?

what am I waiting for?

Do you all really think some other candidate would have emerged based on the dynamics of this game?

Schmidty 06-24-2008 04:02 PM

I have changed my stance on WW posts. They shouldn't.

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759697)
cmon Telle, I have 5 votes already and there is no decent argument I can make. Plus anyone who already has a vote is going to switch to me also out of self preservation.

My guess is Poli assumed something like this would happen and picked me as the fake seer, that way if I was killed early it would eliminate some confusion.


You've just made my argument for me. If Poli knew you'd be a likely early lynch target, why wouldn't he do what I've been saying he'd do and leave you for Hoops?

And there's no way Poli makes you the real seer. That makes a LOT LESS sense than Hoops picking you for the cunning wolf as the village is inclined to distrust you anyawy until you scan clean, and there's no way for you to be scanned as clean if you're the seer.

Telle 06-24-2008 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759714)
no need to wait, by tomorrow I would have had 10-12 votes and 5 hours to change peoples minds.

like GE said, I am dead either way so lets hope I am the fake seer.


Oh come on. No way the veterans around here let a run like that happen on Day 1. There's always a push to make sure there's at least two candidates.

Schmidty 06-24-2008 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1759719)
I have changed my stance on WW posts. They shouldn't.


Dola.

My wife has been on the board for like 2 weeks and has like 200 or more post (too lazy to check), all in WW.

Maybe we should have a separate WW post cpunt.

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759714)
no need to wait, by tomorrow I would have had 10-12 votes and 5 hours to change peoples minds.

like GE said, I am dead either way so lets hope I am the fake seer.


Nah. I'm thinking you're a wolf.

Schmidty 06-24-2008 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1759722)
Dola.

My wife has been on the board for like 2 weeks and has like 200 or more post (too lazy to check), all in WW.

Maybe we should have a separate WW post cpunt.


Wow.

You guys just proved my point. I posted twice in 20 seconds, and my dola like double destroyed.

mccollins 06-24-2008 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1759719)
I have changed my stance on WW posts. They shouldn't.

Did you mean to quote something? To what does this refer?

mccollins 06-24-2008 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759687)
I actualy am pretty sure I am the fake seer though


How could you guess this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759697)
My guess is Poli assumed something like this would happen and picked me as the fake seer, that way if I was killed early it would eliminate some confusion.


Oh. But when the fake seer dies they are "revealed as seer upon death" - how would that eliminate some confusion?

Schmidty 06-24-2008 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1759728)
Did you mean to quote something? To what does this refer?


Nope.

It's been in my mind for a while.

Carry on. This has nothing to do with the current game.

RendeR 06-24-2008 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759718)
Seriously, for those who think I should have waited?

what am I waiting for?

Do you all really think some other candidate would have emerged based on the dynamics of this game?



Yes and yes. They always do. I've seen maybe 1 runaway vote on a day one in all the games I've played, there almost always develops a move to get a second person on the block to see what happens closer to deadline.

Your reveal would have been a thousand times more useful to you and effective overall had it come first thing tomorrow morning with a quick commnet of "Well I can't wait anymore, "I'm the seer" "" than it does coming out right now when nothing is set in stone.

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1759708)
Could be you're a wolf and figured you're going down so might as well make a play to try and draw the real seer out.


why would the real seer come out on day 1 to challange my reveal.

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1759721)
Oh come on. No way the veterans around here let a run like that happen on Day 1. There's always a push to make sure there's at least two candidates.


The draft has totally changed this day 1. We actually have something to go on - it's not a crap shoot.

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1759720)
You've just made my argument for me. If Poli knew you'd be a likely early lynch target, why wouldn't he do what I've been saying he'd do and leave you for Hoops?


I mean no offense to Poli but I really think it is a stretch that you would both think to enact that strategy.

GoldenEagle 06-24-2008 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls (Post 1759713)
I've been out of the loop too long, but it does seem like there is more from previous games I've played in.

I think if we pared it all down we'd have 2-3 pages of good WW talk...and you can include this post in the non-good talk.


Could it be a ploy by the wolves to create a friendly atmosphere and avoid accusation when their names are brought up?

Alan T 06-24-2008 04:09 PM

Right now I'm thinking that all of the earlier talk from lathum regarding "No way that Hoops picks both Saldana and I as wolves" was just leveraging the thought in our mind for the future in case Lathum did get busted early as it seemed likely was happening. Once the momentum continued he pulls out a fake seer reveal considering that any real seer (or real fake seer) could possibly just assume that Lathum was the other one and they wouldn't out themselves at this point..

Unvote Saldana
Vote Lathum

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1759728)
Did you mean to quote something? To what does this refer?


He's talking abuot whether posts in this forum should count.

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1759729)



Oh. But when the fake seer dies they are "revealed as seer upon death" - how would that eliminate some confusion?


because we wouldn't have 2 people claiming the same role with different scans trying to sort things out in 3 or 4 days.

Poli 06-24-2008 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1759304)
Go Badgers.

Heard they picked up that Monte Ball from St. Louis (Timberlake, Timberland, whatever). Stud.

Schmidty 06-24-2008 04:11 PM

I am now..........still the most hated WW player (since Blade is gone). :(

path12 06-24-2008 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759629)
carson palmer? blech!!

carson palmer=bengals=cincinnati=ohio=lyingcheatingwhoreville=blech

although lyingcheatingwhore hates cincinnati ("the capital of northern kentucky") so i guess by virtue of that I ought to be okay with the bengals.


Good to see the bitterness fading. ;) Back to lurking.

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1759726)
Nah. I'm thinking you're a wolf.


think what you like. It will be fun tomorrow when you are proved wrong

RendeR 06-24-2008 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1759733)
The draft has totally changed this day 1. We actually have something to go on - it's not a crap shoot.


I have to disagree with this, while we may have some theories we really still have no solid evidence at all, so day 1 still is pretty much a crapshoot.

Lathum just hapened to be the guy that fell into the most prevelant theory and got mired in it.

mccollins 06-24-2008 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1759737)
Right now I'm thinking that all of the earlier talk from lathum regarding "No way that Hoops picks both Saldana and I as wolves" was just leveraging the thought in our mind for the future in case Lathum did get busted early as it seemed likely was happening. Once the momentum continued he pulls out a fake seer reveal considering that any real seer (or real fake seer) could possibly just assume that Lathum was the other one and they wouldn't out themselves at this point..


So you don't give Lathum any credit for his reveal? It strengthens your thought that he is a wolf?

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759735)
I mean no offense to Poli but I really think it is a stretch that you would both think to enact that strategy.


But you yourself just said that you think Poli made you the fake seer because he thought you might get lynched early. I don't think it's that big a stretch to go from that to:

"Hey, if he's likely to be lynched early, it might be best if he's not on my team at all. Wow. Hoops picks last. I can let him have Lathum. Cool."

mccollins 06-24-2008 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759742)
because we wouldn't have 2 people claiming the same role with different scans trying to sort things out in 3 or 4 days.


Ok, but what if you're the real seer?

Or do you just trust Poli enough not to put you in that role for fear of a run like today?

Alan T 06-24-2008 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1759751)
So you don't give Lathum any credit for his reveal? It strengthens your thought that he is a wolf?


I actually was leaning against him being a wolf earlier but this reveal makes no sense to me at this point and the casual way it was thrown out there. Lathum knows that there are plenty of people around tommorrow morning and early afternoon that if he revealed saying "I'm the seer don't lynch me" would likely get enough momentum to save him...

A reveal this early makes it seem more likely to me that he is a wolf digging for information to try to use for a night kill target while also trying to save him for a few days instead.

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759731)
Yes and yes. They always do. I've seen maybe 1 runaway vote on a day one in all the games I've played, there almost always develops a move to get a second person on the block to see what happens closer to deadline.

Your reveal would have been a thousand times more useful to you and effective overall had it come first thing tomorrow morning with a quick commnet of "Well I can't wait anymore, "I'm the seer" "" than it does coming out right now when nothing is set in stone.


I have played more games then just about anyone, I know how these things go. Nobody will want to vote the second candidate, if one actually emerged, because they would be afraid it would look like they were trying to save me.

LoneStarGirl 06-24-2008 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic (Post 1759333)
Come on now, Lathum - no need to get huffy.


I actually have to disagree here... there is a lot of need for him to get huffy. If that statement was made against me I would have opened a can of OlieRage on him.

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759750)
I have to disagree with this, while we may have some theories we really still have no solid evidence at all, so day 1 still is pretty much a crapshoot.

Lathum just hapened to be the guy that fell into the most prevelant theory and got mired in it.


We very, very rarely have any solid evidence. We're always voting based on theories - except for most first days where we don't even have those. This is playing like a day 3 or so because at least we have something to base some logical discussion on.

Poli 06-24-2008 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1759624)
having posts count is so great. nobody tell the HNIC

These posts count?

Poli 06-24-2008 04:17 PM

Test.

Poli 06-24-2008 04:17 PM

Woot!

Poli 06-24-2008 04:17 PM

:popcorn:

st.cronin 06-24-2008 04:19 PM

lol

oliegirl 06-24-2008 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl (Post 1759761)
I actually have to disagree here... there is a lot of need for him to get huffy. If that statement was made against me I would have opened a can of OlieRage on him.


I'm loving this whole OlieRage thing...never had an actual emotion named after me before :) I might have to put mccollins original use of the word in my sig!

Wonder what it would take to get an "olierage" smilie for use in WW games????

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:20 PM

Let me be clear.


Ordinaraly on day 1 I wouldn't reveal this early because there is a lack of information.


In this game there is more info to go on, while I think it very unlikely Poli thought the same thing as Kwit it is at least something to go on.

That is much more of a reason to go with someone then we usualy have.

RendeR 06-24-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1759757)
I have played more games then just about anyone, I know how these things go. Nobody will want to vote the second candidate, if one actually emerged, because they would be afraid it would look like they were trying to save me.



See now this is the problem, because if you had made this play at say 8am tmorrow morning? my vote would have been gone as soon as I saw it. The timing would have made sense then.

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759777)
See now this is the problem, because if you had made this play at say 8am tmorrow morning? my vote would have been gone as soon as I saw it. The timing would have made sense then.


Disregarding the timing aspect of this for a moment... Do you really think that Poli would make Lathum the seer?

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:23 PM

Ding!

6000 posts.

saldana 06-24-2008 04:23 PM

i have a problem with the assumption that we seem to be making that Poli wouldnt want Lathum on his team...just because he is a great wolf doesnt mean he isnt a good villager....his abilites are just as good as anyone elses as a villager.

LoneStarGirl 06-24-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1759419)
Another reason to vote for Lathum:

If he is a wolf, there's a decent chance that Hoops would make him the cunning wolf. The cunning wolf is BY FAR our biggest obstacle to winning the game. If we take out the cunning wolf early in the game, we will almost assuredly win the game.

Why would Hoops make Lathum the cunning wolf? Well, I'ev said the reason before, but I'll restate.

1) It's possible that Hoops decided to draft Lathum with the express purpose of making him the cunning. He knows that Lathum will be scanned early, and could be in a CoT.

2) If Hoops decided not to draft him, then I think Poli would make Hoops take him for the reasons I've outlined. If Hoops ended up with him in this manner, I think he still considers making him the cunning wolf in order to beat an inevitable early seer scan.


I honestly dont see Hoops making Lathum a cunning wolf. I really dont think Hoops made him a wolf. Anybody who has played with Lathum long enough knows that he ALWAYS gets picked on. Whether he deserves it or whether he starts baggering people until he annoys them enough to vote for him, he NEVER makes it to the end of a game. Hoops would not make him a wolf.

Alan T 06-24-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1759783)
i have a problem with the assumption that we seem to be making that Poli wouldnt want Lathum on his team...just because he is a great wolf doesnt mean he isnt a good villager....his abilites are just as good as anyone elses as a villager.



That was actually the comment I made earlier in the day and why I decided to vote you instead. I felt it was more likely that Hoops would pick you as a wolf than Lathum. I'm perplexed by Lathum's moves today though, so changed my mind I guess.

saldana 06-24-2008 04:26 PM

also, we also know that Poli wants to win as badly as anyone...would he actually take someone else that may not give him the best chance at winning?

Lathum 06-24-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1759777)
See now this is the problem, because if you had made this play at say 8am tmorrow morning? my vote would have been gone as soon as I saw it. The timing would have made sense then.


this makes no sense to me.

If you believe me at 8:00AM tomorrow morning why wouldn't you believe me now?

Schmidty 06-24-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1759782)
Ding!

6000 posts.


Yeah. I just hit 7,000 the other day. I wasn't really that exited. I've probably lost like 1,00 posts because of board moves and WW posts not counting back on the other board.

I don't know why this is bothering me so much today. Maybe I'm just getting crusty and old.

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl (Post 1759785)
I honestly dont see Hoops making Lathum a cunning wolf. I really dont think Hoops made him a wolf. Anybody who has played with Lathum long enough knows that he ALWAYS gets picked on. Whether he deserves it or whether he starts baggering people until he annoys them enough to vote for him, he NEVER makes it to the end of a game. Hoops would not make him a wolf.


Yes, which was my original premise. If Poli were smart, he would have left Lathum for Hoops' final pick.

The other stuff I was saying about how he's more likely to be a cunning wolf than someone else seems to just be confusing people. But the more likely scenario is that Poli would know everything you say in your post I quoted and therefore wouldn't pick Lathum - knowling he'd be a target for us to go after.

GoldenEagle 06-24-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl (Post 1759785)
I honestly dont see Hoops making Lathum a cunning wolf. I really dont think Hoops made him a wolf. Anybody who has played with Lathum long enough knows that he ALWAYS gets picked on. Whether he deserves it or whether he starts baggering people until he annoys them enough to vote for him, he NEVER makes it to the end of a game. Hoops would not make him a wolf.


There is a theory going around that lathum was forced into being a wolf. Since the last pick went to the wolves, Poli could have intentionally left lathum on the board.

In order for you to buy into this, you would have to think that Poli would leave a player of Lathum's caliber for that long. It would be a brilliant move if executed correctly, but I have my doubts.

GoldenEagle 06-24-2008 04:33 PM

If Lathum is a wolf, he is a brutal wolf and will take someone with him.

LoneStarGirl 06-24-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty (Post 1759722)
Dola.

My wife has been on the board for like 2 weeks and has like 200 or more post (too lazy to check), all in WW.

Maybe we should have a separate WW post cpunt.


I love it when you quote yourself

KWhit 06-24-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1759783)
i have a problem with the assumption that we seem to be making that Poli wouldnt want Lathum on his team...just because he is a great wolf doesnt mean he isnt a good villager....his abilites are just as good as anyone elses as a villager.


I'm not saying anything about his abilities. I'm saying that Poli was given a great opportunity to effectively pick Hoops' final wolf for him. If I had that chance, I'd make sure it was Lathum. There's a good chance he did that. There's also the possibility that Hoops picked Lathum as a wolf. Add those two together and you get a much higher probablity that Lathum is a wolf than you get from any other player in the game.

I'm not saying that Lathum is definitely a wolf. I'm not saying there's a 75% chance he's a wolf. But there's definitely a better chance than anyone else we can pick on day one.

His reveal has just made me believe that he's even more likely to be a wolf.

GoldenEagle 06-24-2008 04:34 PM

Also, how much did relationships factor into the draft selection. Husbands/Wives, BFFs, etc.?


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