dola

and yes i'm reaching my breaking point with it.

Tosses Lathum a bottle of wine, drink up ;)


Seriously, I agree with the theory that you could well have been forced into wolf hands. its very plausible, you are constantly under scrutiny, why not make that work for the village based on the draft order?

The crap about you badgering people for days on end was more or less in fun, As with my own reputation, if you play a certain way then you have to deal with the results. I do it every game. You've earned a reputation for arguing for the sake of arguing, its day 1, why the hell would I want to listen to that for the entire game? easier to find out what you are today?

I'm quite open to changing my vote, give me a good reason to do so instead of whining that "render doesn't like me" (tongue pressed firmly in cheek)

:p

Hence the welcome back sign?? Really, has everyone had their cheerios pissed in today?

Relax people, christ. If I was really trying to be an asshole I'd have done a MUCH better job, quit being so touchy =)


:banana::jester::banana::jester::devil::banana::devil:

nobody pissed in my cheerios. i didn't have any this morning. in fact i didn't have anything today that anyone could have pissed in...unless someone pissed in the water fountain...lol

I had Captain Crunch Berries. And they were tasty (and void of piss, as far as I know)

Dude, I'm not the one pitching a fit here over a stupid remark that really meant nothing =)


So you're jealous that BK is valued as a villager while instead you're feared as a wolf?

I'm not seeing the issue....I'd be pleased as punch if people feared me the way they fear you being in the game as a wolf. Seriously.

no editing posts!

Maybe I'm just really irritating people today =) do i smell? I used deoderant, aftershave too ;) WAIT! I'm wearing my Orange Carson palmer Jersey, that must be it.

I look like a giant pumpkin so it must be I get to be the designated asshole ;)


*chuckles*

having posts count is so great. nobody tell the HNIC

Apologies guys - there was nothing of substance in my post, just making sure I made it well known that I was eating Crunch BERRIES.

It won't happen again.

oooooh! PF made a boo-boo. Kinda like that other packer!

carson palmer? blech!!

carson palmer=bengals=cincinnati=ohio=lyingcheatingwhoreville=blech

although lyingcheatingwhore hates cincinnati ("the capital of northern kentucky") so i guess by virtue of that I ought to be okay with the bengals.

I wish i could wear benglas jerseys at work!

I would wear my henry #15 every day!

I should smite you for this post on so many levels......:devil:

Couple of questions...

1) Is there a history of arguing between Lathum and Render?

2) Is PackerFanatic's editing of his post intentional?

smite me?? why??

Yes

No

There is a historyof us going back and forth a bit, but nothing over the top as far as I can recall. At least not since oh...december-ish? Last year I really was the asshat extraordinaire most games. And Lathum , being lathum would tend to push those buttons and see how fast I would implode =)

So there is some there yes. Since december I've tried very hard to avoid the whole implosion idea, its simply not a good way to play because no one listens to you when you rant and rave constantly.

Which today led to my comment about lathum, he's tends to sink his teeth into someone and not let go. He and DT started a back and forth and I commented that I'd rather vote Lathum than deal with days of teeth knashing bickering. It was half in jest, granted only half, but he took it badly.

What was the question again?:confused:

Damn you and your simpleton ways. :D

You denegrated the awesome power and beauty that is Carson Palmer and the Cincinnati Bengals. :rant::lol::rant::lol:






*trying to out smiley everyone's assumption that my comments are meant to be acerbic*

Honestly, my post edit was NOT intentional. I was involved in the off-topic discussion on pissing in cereals and had forgotten about the no-edit rule (it has been quite a while since I have played a WW game) - so please don't look so far into it.

haha...no wait...smite me why??

haha

and you beat me to the answer re:smiting

I actualy never argue for the sake of arguing, I am always trying to get a read on players, be it for this game or future games.

and I never said anywhere that I was jealous of barkeep. I was saying he is a good candidate for the cunning wolf because he often gets a pass day 1 as a valuable villager but is always an early scan. Thats a lethel combination.

Ooh - 3 Way!!!! :thumbsup:

not sure what argument I can make on day 1 that I haven't already made.

You have done a good job of making this a possible runaway

Fixed




:devil::devil::devil:
What you missed this part? he's a Lube Mman!

The fact that Lathum called Saldana his BFF really has me giggling. I've never in my life heard a guy refer to another guy as a BFF. It's good to see you are both so comfortable with your feminine side :)

hate to break this to you but *I* haven't made it much of anything. You already had 3 votes and there is still a full day before deadline. Relax man. Yer getting way overworked on a day 1 vote.

As with any day 1 vote its always open to changing. I'm not a fan of runaways either so if someone else doesn't garner some votes I may well make that happen tomorrow.

Guys, be careful about getting our votes too spread out. We should try and force the wolves to use the cunning wolf to make kills as much as possible.

Some of the reasoning for Lathum seems as good as any first day logic, so, I will Vote Lathum

I'm the seer.

A whole 22 hours until deadline and you thought you needed to come out already? For our sake let's hope you're the false seer.

I actualy am pretty sure I am the fake seer though

lathum's the seer?

that'd be interesting. i need to go have this lil party-thing i'll have to respond to this later.

Is there usually this much bantering not about WW? There seems to be a lot of non werewolf talk going on. I am not making anything of it, just pointing it out.

cmon Telle, I have 5 votes already and there is no decent argument I can make. Plus anyone who already has a vote is going to switch to me also out of self preservation.

My guess is Poli assumed something like this would happen and picked me as the fake seer, that way if I was killed early it would eliminate some confusion.

So you will be dead on day 1 regardless? You will either get voted off or killed by the wolves on the first night.

Eh.. I would have waited until at least tomorrow morning. Just seems really premature to me.

Umm, this is not the way to get people to believe you....:eek:

I agree that it seems a bit premature for that reveal.

What she said.

I think Hoops is smart enough that he KNEW we would think this... so with that in mind I really believe that one of the BIG 3 should be the first couple to go.

Could be you're a wolf and figured you're going down so might as well make a play to try and draw the real seer out.

not normally on Day one, this is just one of those "special" days :)

Not sure I buy that.


That makes more sense, but I'm still not sold.

I've been out of the loop too long, but it does seem like there is more from previous games I've played in.

I think if we pared it all down we'd have 2-3 pages of good WW talk...and you can include this post in the non-good talk.

no need to wait, by tomorrow I would have had 10-12 votes and 5 hours to change peoples minds.

like GE said, I am dead either way so lets hope I am the fake seer.

Seriously, for those who think I should have waited?

what am I waiting for?

Do you all really think some other candidate would have emerged based on the dynamics of this game?

I have changed my stance on WW posts. They shouldn't.

You've just made my argument for me. If Poli knew you'd be a likely early lynch target, why wouldn't he do what I've been saying he'd do and leave you for Hoops?

And there's no way Poli makes you the real seer. That makes a LOT LESS sense than Hoops picking you for the cunning wolf as the village is inclined to distrust you anyawy until you scan clean, and there's no way for you to be scanned as clean if you're the seer.

Oh come on. No way the veterans around here let a run like that happen on Day 1. There's always a push to make sure there's at least two candidates.

Dola.

My wife has been on the board for like 2 weeks and has like 200 or more post (too lazy to check), all in WW.

Maybe we should have a separate WW post cpunt.

Nah. I'm thinking you're a wolf.

Wow.

You guys just proved my point. I posted twice in 20 seconds, and my dola like double destroyed.

Did you mean to quote something? To what does this refer?

How could you guess this?


Oh. But when the fake seer dies they are "revealed as seer upon death" - how would that eliminate some confusion?

Nope.

It's been in my mind for a while.

Carry on. This has nothing to do with the current game.

Yes and yes. They always do. I've seen maybe 1 runaway vote on a day one in all the games I've played, there almost always develops a move to get a second person on the block to see what happens closer to deadline.

Your reveal would have been a thousand times more useful to you and effective overall had it come first thing tomorrow morning with a quick commnet of "Well I can't wait anymore, "I'm the seer" "" than it does coming out right now when nothing is set in stone.

why would the real seer come out on day 1 to challange my reveal.

The draft has totally changed this day 1. We actually have something to go on - it's not a crap shoot.

I mean no offense to Poli but I really think it is a stretch that you would both think to enact that strategy.

Could it be a ploy by the wolves to create a friendly atmosphere and avoid accusation when their names are brought up?

Right now I'm thinking that all of the earlier talk from lathum regarding "No way that Hoops picks both Saldana and I as wolves" was just leveraging the thought in our mind for the future in case Lathum did get busted early as it seemed likely was happening. Once the momentum continued he pulls out a fake seer reveal considering that any real seer (or real fake seer) could possibly just assume that Lathum was the other one and they wouldn't out themselves at this point..

Unvote Saldana
Vote Lathum

He's talking abuot whether posts in this forum should count.

because we wouldn't have 2 people claiming the same role with different scans trying to sort things out in 3 or 4 days.

Heard they picked up that Monte Ball from St. Louis (Timberlake, Timberland, whatever). Stud.

I am now..........still the most hated WW player (since Blade is gone). :(

Good to see the bitterness fading. ;) Back to lurking.

think what you like. It will be fun tomorrow when you are proved wrong

I have to disagree with this, while we may have some theories we really still have no solid evidence at all, so day 1 still is pretty much a crapshoot.

Lathum just hapened to be the guy that fell into the most prevelant theory and got mired in it.

So you don't give Lathum any credit for his reveal? It strengthens your thought that he is a wolf?

But you yourself just said that you think Poli made you the fake seer because he thought you might get lynched early. I don't think it's that big a stretch to go from that to:

"Hey, if he's likely to be lynched early, it might be best if he's not on my team at all. Wow. Hoops picks last. I can let him have Lathum. Cool."

Ok, but what if you're the real seer?

Or do you just trust Poli enough not to put you in that role for fear of a run like today?

I actually was leaning against him being a wolf earlier but this reveal makes no sense to me at this point and the casual way it was thrown out there. Lathum knows that there are plenty of people around tommorrow morning and early afternoon that if he revealed saying "I'm the seer don't lynch me" would likely get enough momentum to save him...

A reveal this early makes it seem more likely to me that he is a wolf digging for information to try to use for a night kill target while also trying to save him for a few days instead.

I have played more games then just about anyone, I know how these things go. Nobody will want to vote the second candidate, if one actually emerged, because they would be afraid it would look like they were trying to save me.

I actually have to disagree here... there is a lot of need for him to get huffy. If that statement was made against me I would have opened a can of OlieRage on him.

We very, very rarely have any solid evidence. We're always voting based on theories - except for most first days where we don't even have those. This is playing like a day 3 or so because at least we have something to base some logical discussion on.

These posts count?

Test.

Woot!

:popcorn:

lol

I'm loving this whole OlieRage thing...never had an actual emotion named after me before :) I might have to put mccollins original use of the word in my sig!

Wonder what it would take to get an "olierage" smilie for use in WW games????

Let me be clear.


Ordinaraly on day 1 I wouldn't reveal this early because there is a lack of information.


In this game there is more info to go on, while I think it very unlikely Poli thought the same thing as Kwit it is at least something to go on.

That is much more of a reason to go with someone then we usualy have.

See now this is the problem, because if you had made this play at say 8am tmorrow morning? my vote would have been gone as soon as I saw it. The timing would have made sense then.

Disregarding the timing aspect of this for a moment... Do you really think that Poli would make Lathum the seer?

Ding!

6000 posts.

i have a problem with the assumption that we seem to be making that Poli wouldnt want Lathum on his team...just because he is a great wolf doesnt mean he isnt a good villager....his abilites are just as good as anyone elses as a villager.

I honestly dont see Hoops making Lathum a cunning wolf. I really dont think Hoops made him a wolf. Anybody who has played with Lathum long enough knows that he ALWAYS gets picked on. Whether he deserves it or whether he starts baggering people until he annoys them enough to vote for him, he NEVER makes it to the end of a game. Hoops would not make him a wolf.

That was actually the comment I made earlier in the day and why I decided to vote you instead. I felt it was more likely that Hoops would pick you as a wolf than Lathum. I'm perplexed by Lathum's moves today though, so changed my mind I guess.

also, we also know that Poli wants to win as badly as anyone...would he actually take someone else that may not give him the best chance at winning?

this makes no sense to me.

If you believe me at 8:00AM tomorrow morning why wouldn't you believe me now?

Yeah. I just hit 7,000 the other day. I wasn't really that exited. I've probably lost like 1,00 posts because of board moves and WW posts not counting back on the other board.

I don't know why this is bothering me so much today. Maybe I'm just getting crusty and old.

Yes, which was my original premise. If Poli were smart, he would have left Lathum for Hoops' final pick.

The other stuff I was saying about how he's more likely to be a cunning wolf than someone else seems to just be confusing people. But the more likely scenario is that Poli would know everything you say in your post I quoted and therefore wouldn't pick Lathum - knowling he'd be a target for us to go after.

There is a theory going around that lathum was forced into being a wolf. Since the last pick went to the wolves, Poli could have intentionally left lathum on the board.

In order for you to buy into this, you would have to think that Poli would leave a player of Lathum's caliber for that long. It would be a brilliant move if executed correctly, but I have my doubts.

If Lathum is a wolf, he is a brutal wolf and will take someone with him.

I love it when you quote yourself

I'm not saying anything about his abilities. I'm saying that Poli was given a great opportunity to effectively pick Hoops' final wolf for him. If I had that chance, I'd make sure it was Lathum. There's a good chance he did that. There's also the possibility that Hoops picked Lathum as a wolf. Add those two together and you get a much higher probablity that Lathum is a wolf than you get from any other player in the game.

I'm not saying that Lathum is definitely a wolf. I'm not saying there's a 75% chance he's a wolf. But there's definitely a better chance than anyone else we can pick on day one.

His reveal has just made me believe that he's even more likely to be a wolf.

Also, how much did relationships factor into the draft selection. Husbands/Wives, BFFs, etc.?