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Correct. NoMyths is 4.5. |
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Both. I guess this is why people are confused on History. :) Sorry I wasn't more specific. To me "Sport Related" means both fiction and non-fiction, but "History" is only non fiction. "History Related" would include fiction. However, I can see 100% that I was not clear. |
On the Hitchhiker's pick, that is the last of the ones I was going to seriously consider for series. My top series were Lord of the Rings, Foundation, Cronicles of Narnia, and Hitchhiker's Guide. After those, I didn't care which one I got.
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Thanks for making my picks, LS, who's up and when do I pick next?
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I don't mind sticking with what I have. I was deciding between that and something else, and now with others knowing the pick, it's better to just stick with it instead of risking losing it before my next pick.
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NoMyths is up at 4.5 Your next pick is 4.8 |
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Thanks, Larry. :) I hope I didn't mess up your strategy too much, particularly since you arrived before a large number of other picks were made. |
Oh, and I don't have anyone's lists until 4.10 and 5.9, so I hope everyone is around. :)
Headed to lunch. |
Will pick shortly.
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i'll be picking around 2pm EST, regardless of when nomyths picks
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I just want to say I'm very bummed to miss out on Walden. I had that as a sleeper pick in the later rounds.
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We need to do these drafts more often. At least one every 2 weeks. They are scary entertaining.
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Fiction
Single Short Story Poem: 2.5 - The Divine Comedy, Dante Alighieri Fantasy/Science Fiction Series (A set of books continuing the same story and intended to be read sequentially) 3.6 - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams Sport Related: 4.5 - Friday Night Lights, H.G. Bissinger Children's Non-Fiction: 1.6 - On the Origin of Species, Charles Darwin Biography/Autobiography History Can't tell you how torn I am on this pick, but in the end my heart is winning out, and I doubt it will be around much longer. The best book written about amateur athletics in my opinion, in part because it encompases so much beyond the field: racial and class politics in a hard-luck Texas town, an examination of the psychology behind fandom, the glory and tragedy of being a superstar player one second and a forgotten name the next. It is epic, eminently readable, and has spawned numerous imitators and versions (including one of the best shows on television). |
Just change the category to fiction then. No need for me to repick.
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Still anyone's game for my vote. I think for now I favor st. cronin (all solid picks plus Dune bonus points), Warhammer (all solid picks so far) and Chief Rum (strong picks, but a slight docking of points from me as A Christmas Carol is not a short story. Then again, I also think A Christmas Carol was the steal of the draft so far.) Several others are just a hair behind those guys.
There are still some huge names/works up for grabs, though, so I'll be watching to see how it all plays out. |
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Agreed. I have wanted to run one for a while, but I didn't want to step on Maple Leaf's toes. I also don't want to dilute it by doing it too often. I wonder if we should do it like IWS and have the winner create a new one? |
I think this draft is still way too close to call and my hunch is that some late-round picks are really going to shift momentum.
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The way it typically goes is that people that pick big names in broad categories early start to struggle at the end when they try to fill in the niche categories that they ignored. |
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I disagree with this. At absolute best, I could've gotten it at 2.2, as DT, I think it was, said he was planning on taking it for his second round pick, so snagging it at 1.9 was fine in my opinion. :) |
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Personally, I think that's a freakin' cool idea. |
okay...i'm up hmm
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man i'm torn between two...
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i just can't decide...one's better "literature" than the other, but the other is stronger in the category (arguably)
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As some voters have done in previous contests, they basically ignore the category and just voted on the list of picks. I am leaning that way since some of these categories can be interchangeable.
Any list that has Shogun and Sun Tzu will get serious considerations from me, not to mention a few of the earlier picks. |
awww hell
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should've gone with the other...
Not saying its a bad pick, but I'm not sure how it stands out compared to others. Then again, the one I'm going to go with in the category is probably going to get slagged some too. |
hey...it's a timeless classic. didn't everyone have to read it in high school?
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I'm probably in the minority, but I really prefer Bradbury's short stories over Fahrenheit 451. I still think it's a quality pick, though.
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I think that category, more than any other, lends itself to esoteric choices. Ask 100 people for the top sci-fi/fantasy works, and you'll have very little consensus.
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don't write me off either. the rest of my picks will be doozies (at least in my mind)
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Are we allowed to change the category for our picks?
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Fiction - 1.4 Hamlet, by William Shakespeare
Single Short Story Poem - 4.7 The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, by Samuel Taylor Coleridge Fantasy/Science Fiction - 3.4 War of the Worlds, by H.G. Wells Series Sport Related Children's Non-Fiction Biography/Autobiography History - 2.7 The Diary of a Young Girl, by Anne Frank |
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nice. that was at least on my radar if not on my list |
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Fiction
Single Short Story - 1.3, The Dead, James Joyce Poem Fantasy/Science Fiction - 2.8, 1984, George Orwell Series - 3.3, Dune, Frank Herbert Sport Related - 4.8, Rabbit, Run, John Updike Children's Non-Fiction Biography/Autobiography History |
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No. With the exception of the two that picked Historical Fiction based on my poor specifications. |
Wow, I'm very happy that my next pick was still available. I was sure that her work would have been picked by now. It is one of the great novels of the 20th century, leading people to rethink many ideas about economics, religion, liberty, and personal freedoms. My pick is:
Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand cartman's list: 1. Fiction - 4.9 Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand 2. Single Short Story - 3.2 The Cask of Amontillado, Edgar Allan Poe 3. Poem 4. Fantasy/Science Fiction - 2.9 Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll 5. Series (A set of books continuing the same story and intended to be read sequentially) - 1.2: The Lord of The Rings Trilogy (Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King), J.R.R. Tolkein 6. Sport Related 7. Children's 8. Non-Fiction 9. Biography/Autobiography 10. History |
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nice pick! |
I'm guessing Chief Rum didn't send lord scarlet a list.
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He did. I just suck and didn't notice he was up. :) Give me a moment. |
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I PMed him to let him know he was up, in case he didn't send in a list. I also told him not to pick one of titles I was considering for the pick after his two. :) |
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Good pick. Also, add me to the list who think "Cask" was a fine pick for Poe. I'm looking forward to putting together a "best of the rest" list at the end of this draft. |
Chief Rum's selections are:
4.10 The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost (Poem) 5.1 Charlotte's Web by E.B. White (Children's) cartman is on the board! |
I have a pick for Poetry that if someone makes I may just give them the "W" regardless of the rest of their picks.
We'll see if anyone hits the jackpot. |
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Yes, and that's why I fucking hate it! :D Other thoughts: Shogun is a great pick. One of my all-time favorite novels. I don't even recognize any of the sports picks, except Friday Night Lights which I never read. I don't read much sports related fiction. The Coleridge pick was good, but I would have picked Kubla Khan instead. There's still two poems out there that I'm a bit surprised have not gone yet. |
Well, I am pleasantly surprised to be able to make my pick again. I thought maybe CR would have had this choice as his Poem entry, based on some of his other picks. This choice has ties to a couple of other already selected entries. He was the first American to translate Dante's "Divine Comedy", and he also had a lifelong feud with Poe after an unflattering review Poe gave one of his works.
Although far from historically accurate, it did increase the renown of the subject. Just about everyone can complete the first stanza of this poem after hearing the first line, which not many other lyrical works can claim: "Listen my children and you shall hear..." Paul Revere's Ride, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow cartman's list: 1. Fiction - 4.9 Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand 2. Single Short Story - 3.2 The Cask of Amontillado, Edgar Allan Poe 3. Poem - 5.2 Paul Revere's Ride, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow 4. Fantasy/Science Fiction - 2.9 Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll 5. Series (A set of books continuing the same story and intended to be read sequentially) - 1.2: The Lord of The Rings Trilogy (Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King), J.R.R. Tolkein 6. Sport Related 7. Children's 8. Non-Fiction 9. Biography/Autobiography 10. History |
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You never heard of Ball Four? |
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I probably have at some point, but I don't remember it. I don't pay attention to baseball. |
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There is a lot of poetry I'm surprised to see still on the board. People are taking a lot of "generic" categories (fiction, non-fiction) before the more niche ones. |
I think the niche ones are not as niche as you think. There is a ton of good children's lit out there as well as historical and non-fiction.
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I guess that shows how much I don't know about poetry. I would have thought Kubla Khan was more recognizable than The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. And I'm sure there are a bunch of poems leftover, but I know shit about poetry, so I have two. |
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I think you're right. :) But I think you hit a steal in the most shallow category. I think Sports will be like.. crap.. I forget what it was called.. the category in the Music draft for a seminal song (where I picked Rapper's Delight). There are a lot of "ho-hum" choices and only a few that float to the top as the best in the genre. |
I think that if nothing else, this draft has shown that there is a TON of literature out there, and that we could probably expand this to a 20 person draft and still have pretty strong teams.
Maple Leafs is just on a tear...his Rime of the Ancient Mariner is a pick made of win. As for my already put forth judgements, I think that I may be undervaluing the Foundation Series. I think I'll stand by my "The Waste Land" description; there are just so many huge players at the position (The Iliad, The Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost) that I think it's a poor first round pick. Even though it may have been gone had you not picked it...I think that it looks weaker than at least two of the poems picked after it, as much as I like it. And remember, I don't know crap, so take my criticism with a grain of salt :) |
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bah. wait till i bust out my poem |
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Yeah. There are two reasons I didn't just leave Logan and Wade on the list: 1) Tradition 2) Time (we don't need it to take 20% longer than it already does :) ) |
Fiction
Single Short Story - 1.3, The Dead, James Joyce Poem Fantasy/Science Fiction - 2.8, 1984, George Orwell Series - 3.3, Dune, Frank Herbert Sport Related - 4.8, Rabbit, Run, John Updike Children's Non-Fiction Biography/Autobiography - 5.3 The Diary of Anais Nin, Anais Nin History |
I was just reviewing the lists and didn't realize how well WH has been doing.
My top 3 right now: 1. Warhammer 2. Maple Leafs 3. larrymcg421 |
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That's exactly why I picked it there. I figured someone had to pick it. Plus, the impact that it had on every other sports book since it was written cannot be discounted. |
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OK, I have to say it even if it makes me look like a moron. Who? |
Wow, st. cronin totally did not go where I expected in the Bio/Auto category.
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I needed some porn on my team.
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I was considering taking Updike's A & P for Short Story, but that's negated now. Not that big a deal, as I've got tons of other quality choices there. |
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After the Updike pick, I needed to pander to the voting women. The novel Henry and June, made into a movie with Uma Thurman and Maria de Medeiros, was part of the Diary. |
Not sure that pick is going to help you in the eyes of a majority of voters, but more power to you ;).
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my list for my next pick is at home, so i won't be able to pick until like...after 6pm EST, even if NoMyths picks. didn't think we'd get back around again. guess i learned my lesson.
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... You didn't figure that out when you took several hours yesterday.. or this afternoon? :) |
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last night i needed hours to think and compose my lists. this afternoon i waited till lunchtime cuz i'm working :) |
Fiction - 1.4 Hamlet, by William Shakespeare
Single Short Story Poem - 4.7 The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, by Samuel Taylor Coleridge Fantasy/Science Fiction - 3.4 War of the Worlds, by H.G. Wells Series Sport Related Children's - 5.4 The Cat in the Hat, by Dr. Seuss Non-Fiction Biography/Autobiography History - 2.7 The Diary of a Young Girl, by Anne Frank |
Nice pick, but I would have gone with Green Eggs and Ham.
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Or "How The Grinch Stole Christmas". A lot to choose from from Dr. Seuss.
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I am amazed Dr. Seuss fell so far. He was on 4 of the pre-draft lists I got. |
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This may be why it has fallen so far. :) Sometimes it is worse to pick the wrong book by an author than to pick a lesser author. |
Yep, I was hoping for Seuss next round myself. Also prefer the Grinch to the Cat, but it's a good pickup.
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Now I get to wait until after 6 pm, right? :P
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I am shocked ole Teddy Geisel fell that far. I have a feeling that Poetry will be great from everyone. certainly all of the poet choices have been very good.
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I am also amazed Dr. Suess fell so far.
Mapleleafs is crushing this draft right now |
I wasn't even thinking of Dr. Suess...nice pick. My top children's book hasn't been taken yet.
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No. :) cartman inched backed up to the upper brackets with his last 2 picks. |
My rankings thus far.
The contenders for the championship: 1. Axxon (nice recovery) 2. Maple Leafs 3. cartman 4. Warhammer Have a chance but need help: 5. Chief Rum 6. larrymcg 7. Izulde (nice job in moving from last to the middle bracket) Won't win unless there are miracles: 8. DaddyTorgo 9. NoMyths 10. st.cronin |
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Just to throw my top 4 out there as of now: 1. Maple Leafs 2. larrymcg 3. Chief Rum 4. Axxon |
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Second to last? And yet I've actually had all of my books in the correct categories? :) Methinks there may be some bias in your critique. |
My wholy subjective rankings
1. larrymcg (bold autobio pick, a non-fic that changed the world and great fiction) 2. Izulde (musketeers was weak, but everything else is near the top of its category) 3. Maple Leafs (all doubles and triples on every pick, but no homeruns) 4. Axxon (on strength of series and sci-fi alone) 5. cartman (love the poe, carroll and tolkein - Rand seems a weak fiction pick, but that's me) |
Given the numerous historical and cultural errors and stereotypes (not to mention the murdering of the Japanese language used in the book), I'd definately disagree with Shogun being a "historical" book.
One of my favourite books, but definately a fiction. |
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I think right now you're not in the lead - at all - but you're set up to win. You got, IMO, the last of only 3 good series choices. Series books might kill people in this. A good fiction pick and you could jump to the top of my list. |
In comparing the three preliminary rankings of wade, sublime and mine, it seems that larrymcg's two controversal picks were gutsy and that I am viewing cartman higher than average. Overall, I don't think anyone is scoring about an average of 7 because some of the most obvious picks are still out there (hint: think like a popular reader).
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Interesting. I still have NoMyths very much in the running. Chief Rum's last couple picks really helped him and Warhammer is putting together a very nice collection but NoMyths and Maple Leafs are my top two right now. |
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Not really, no one else thinks you're in the top bracket either. ;) But it is true that I have not looked at the categories, I am going off of lists (unless someone pulls an Imagine). It is probably incorrect to say that the bottom won't win (sorry) because the rankings are fairly close together and if what MrDNA says it's true about nailing the remaining categories, then anyone could win. |
It's still super close for me top to bottom. I really think one especially good or bad pick could swing anyone from first to last or vice versa.
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I love how my board is looking right now... I just hope the books I have slated as my next picks stay unchosen.
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To be fair, the Musketeers Saga was in part a defensive ploy, because I knew if I left it hanging there, somebody was likely to grab The Count of Monte Cristo for their fiction choice, which would've gotten a lot of voter interest. |
NoMyths, to be more specific (which is what I didn't do in putting together my preliminary ranking), your Sports pick is a little too contemporary and niched. I'm looking for sports title that transcends the genre to where non-sports readers would know or heard of. As far as Poem, this is a pick where nearly everyone (except for 2) falls for me, so it didn't hurt you. While I like the Hitchhiker pick, it is a surprise that it was picked in this category and that will hurt you among some voters. For me, it was a good pick but of the Series picked so far, this was the weakest one (going up against Potter or Tolkien or Narnia will be tough). Your Non-Fiction, while an important historical document, is not one that is read. But so far it's not bad, just that there are non-fiction picks yet out there that will blow this one away.
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